Question on Bible Verse(s).

[Government_Controlled]

Hello,


Was curious as to what your views/interpretation(s) of these scripts. are:

- Acts 24:15 - "Hoping in God for that which they themselves are looking for, that there will be a coming back from                        the dead for upright men and wrongdoers."

- Acts 2:34 - "For David has not gone up into heaven."

- John 3:13 - "And no one has ever gone up to heaven but he who came down from heaven, the Son of man."




GC

[Government_Controlled]

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[OzmO]

I found the 3 blue bars to be very inspriing

[laurion]

You would get much more replies if you actually put the full verses in your thread then gave your opinion of them......

[Government_Controlled]

You would get much more replies if you actually put the full verses in your thread then gave your opinion of them......

I'll give it a try. Thanx for the heads up.


GC

[OzmO]

Hello,


Was curious as to what your views/interpretation(s) of these scripts. are:

- Acts 24:15 - "Hoping in God for that which they themselves are looking for, that there will be a coming back from                        the dead for upright men and wrongdoers."

- Acts 2:34 - "For David has not gone up into heaven."

- John 3:13 - "And no one has ever gone up to heaven but he who came down from heaven, the Son of man."




GC

Not sure what they mean.  In what context are they being written?

[Butterbean]

Hi Govt Controlled!


For Acts 24:15 verse let's look at the verses (in NIV) around it so we can get the context:

Acts 24: 10-16
When the governor motioned for him to speak, Paul replied: "I know that for a number of years you have been a judge over this nation; so I gladly make my defense. You can easily verify that no more than twelve days ago I went up to Jerusalem to worship. My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city. And they cannot prove to you the charges they are now making against me. However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.


--------What it looks like to me is that Paul is saying he has hope/belief that God will resurrect the dead (and that is why he is on trial).

This is cross-referenced w/Acts 23:6 where Paul is talking to the Sadducees (who did not believe in the resurrection) and Paul states that he stands on trial because of his hope in the resurrection of the dead.



According to the bible all people will be resurrected - both the "righteous" (believers in Christ as Savior) and the "wicked" (unbelievers) where they will be ushered into either eternal life w/God (heaven) or eternal separation from God (hell) respectively.

[Butterbean]

- Acts 2:34 - "For David has not gone up into heaven."


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For me (and I am open to learning other people's opinions) this is where Peter is talking to the Jews explaining to them about Jesus being the Christ (this was after they had crucified Him and He ascended to heaven).  In this chapter, Peter quotes David regarding things he said about the Messiah (Jesus) in trying to explain to them that Jesus was/is the Messiah, as he (Jesus) had been resurrected and ascended to heaven.


To read in context:

Acts 2:22-36

"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. David said about him:
   " 'I saw the Lord always before me.
      Because he is at my right hand,
      I will not be shaken.
 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
      my body also will live in hope,
 because you will not abandon me to the grave,
      nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
 You have made known to me the paths of life;
      you will fill me with joy in your presence.'

"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
   " 'The Lord said to my Lord:
      "Sit at my right hand
 until I make your enemies
      a footstool for your feet." 

"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."



Is your concern is that David did not go to heaven? If so, I believe that is not what this verse is saying.  It's covering that Jesus is the Messiah and He is the one David was talking about and that He (Jesus) ascended bodily to heaven.  That's just the way I see it!

[Government_Controlled]

Is your concern is that David did not go to heaven? If so, I believe that is not what this verse is saying.  It's covering that Jesus is the Messiah and He is the one David was talking about and that He (Jesus) ascended bodily to heaven.  That's just the way I see it!

That's how I'm reading, Stella. Also check out Psalms 37:9. Also, on my mind was the fact that the Bible speaks of a resurrection of the dead. If people do go to heaven, then why would they need a resurrection?. Same goes with being thrown into a hellfire, Bible is saying to me that the wicked will get this resurrection also (Acts 24:15), how can they already be in "a place of torment"? Whats your take on this?


GC/DEA_Agent

[Butterbean]

That's how I'm reading, Stella. Also check out Psalms 37:9. Also, on my mind was the fact that the Bible speaks of a resurrection of the dead. If people do go to heaven, then why would they need a resurrection?. Same goes with being thrown into a hellfire, Bible is saying to me that the wicked will get this resurrection also (Acts 24:15), how can they already be in "a place of torment"? Whats your take on this?


GC/DEA_Agent

I just posted a thread that has some good commentary imo regarding this ...covers the "temporary type" heaven and hell as well as after the final judgments.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=267219.0


There are diff. resurrections mentioned in the bible. 

There is a type of resurrection that will happen to believers (dead and alive) during the "catching away" or "rapture."

There is also a resurrection of the unbelieving dead in order for them to attend the Great White Throne judgment.

I think maybe the resurrections to which you are referring are where the dead are reunited w/their bodies and they become glorified bodies.

[Butterbean]

Talks about the resurrections in the "end times":


Revelation 20

And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.

He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Dead Are Judged

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.

Another book was opened, which is the book of life.

The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

[Government_Controlled]

Talks about the resurrections in the "end times":


Revelation 20

And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.

He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Satan's Doom

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Dead Are Judged

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.

Another book was opened, which is the book of life.

The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hey Stella,

Yeah, I posted some scripts. regarding this and the new thread you started.


GC/DEA_AGENT