Deca year round for joints

[Christo]

I've never run less than 600mg per week so I can't comment on lower doses.  It does help mitigate shoulder pain (and other over all joint pain from wear and tear).  If you have true pathology, like a chronic rotator cuff tear, it will not help much with that. The effect is likely anti-inflammatory.

There have been some studies that have showed improved as well as delayed rotator cuff healing when using deca in the postop period after cuff repair.  Nandrolone, specifically, has been found to prevent the fatty infiltration and reduced functional muscle impairment caused by rotator cuff retraction in a rabbit rotator cuff model.  It only seems to work if used immediately after the tear occurs (acutely), but not in chronic tears.  Interestingly, in one study nandrolone treated animals also had a significantly higher postop infection rate.  (Gerber et al, JBJS Am 2011, 93;2189-95.).

If you truly want to use it only for the joint effect, starting at lower dosages makes sense.  I would start around 100mg-200mg per week and see how it goes.

Thanks Freak!

[Christo]

Any new update?

[IroNat]

This may be the orthopaedic surgeon in me talking, but there has got to be a better way to manage joint discomfort than long-term deca use...

And Deca as HRT?  Seriously?

Also, responses that imply things like "I've done this for years and haven't had any problems with it"...or "I've done this or that without any issues"  are great and obviously the person's individual experience (which does count for something, for sure), but none of us have a problem with something until we have...a problem with it.  I would be wary of these types of responses.  Also, one individual's experience can be very different than another's.

You also didn't say how old you are.  Deca will shut you down just like any other AAS will. I agree that it does help with joint pain (diffuse wear-and-tear pain and inflammation, not true joint pathology like a rotator cuff tear), as I can attest for my own use of it.  But are you ready to tip yourself into long-term endogenous suppression?  Most of us are not pro bodybuilders, and don't make our living from this sport.  If you want to continue bodybuilding through your later years, you have to be smarter about AAS use.  There will be a price to pay at some point.  Don't think that anyone is going to abuse this stuff for years and years without scheduled breaks and not pay a price at some point.  It's just a matter of time.

One of my favorite training motivation videos on YouTube is called "30 years as a lion or 70 years as a lamb."  If you haven't seen it check it out.  It will pump you up for sure.  This concept that (we) are willing to die for this sport is often stated.  But in my experience, most lifters who say this type of thing somehow get the idea that they will just drop dead suddenly and instantly and painlessly some day, preferably in the gym, preferably monstrously huge (my favorite local hero from back in the day was a guy named Vinny Conzo from Staten Island who carved the phrase "Bury Me Massive" into his lifting belt--he was the biggest human I had ever seen up to that point[early 1980's]).  But that isn't the collective experience--it's usually years of debilitating illness, dying slowly as you watch your physique absolutely disappear.  All those years of training down the drain.  And you WILL regret it.  Bodybuilders make horrible patients, because they can't bear the thought of not training.  Mike Matarazzo is a fantastic example of this.  You should see his videos, where he speaks openly about how AAS destroyed his life, his family, his health.  And that monster died small...and horribly...and painfully slow.  And so did Vinny Conzo...

Sorry for the rant.   

Be Safe.  Be Smart.

Bumped for the morons of Getbig.

[freakfestMD]

Thanks IroNat

Still going strong. Missing the old days on getbig.

Freak   

[ThisisOverload]

Thanks IroNat

Still going strong. Missing the old days on getbig.

Freak

Glad you are still around freak!

I remember getting advice from you on my knee surgery like 14 years ago on here.

Knee is still solid as a rock.

 

[bhank]

I am.

Of course, I learned nothing about AAS in my formal medical training.  Certainly not directly, as there really is no legitimate reason to prescribe them (I am not talking about the field of anti-aging, however, which didn't really exist when I was in school[1987-1991]).  I learned a lot about endocrinology, however, and things like the HPTA, which certainly served me well as a background for my own education into the dark side.

I am 52 years old, and have been lifting consistently since I was about 13 years old.  I trained as a bodybuilder and powerlifter, always recreational, and loved, and still love, every aspect of it.  I did my first cycle at age 24, and have intermittently used ever since.  I had some forced breaks for periods of time (some very extended) due to life/situational circumstances, but for the most part, have stayed with a "6 month on/6 month off" mentality for many years when on.

I went on TRT 2 years ago (400mg test cypionate per week) as a personal choice even though my blood levels were normal for age, but still do 6 month on/6 month off anabolic cycles.

I keep my dosages reasonable, with some occasional "monster cycles" thrown in (I'm on one now--it's posted on another thread).  I get blood work right before and right after every cycle.  I check my blood pressure almost daily when on.  I practice meticulously sterile technique when injecting.  I don't smoke or drink alcohol other than an occasional small glass of cabernet (4-6 oz. at best), eat very clean with an essentially zero sugar diet, never take recreational drugs and will NEVER do insulin.

I was a consistent member of getbig from about 2004-2011.  You can look up my old posts.  There's a lot of information in there, and there really was a great mentality to the board during those years.  This truly was the "go to" forum for many gear heads, and the environment fostered a lot of well-researched information, PubMed article reviews and personal experience.  I would love to see this board restore itself to that level of information and camaraderie. 

All my best,

freak

There are lots of legitimate reasons to prescribe besides anti aging. Perhaps if you had studied them more you would know that.

Also yes some HRT clinics are prescribing in the 100mg a week range

[theworm]

Comments like the above are why this board is dead.  It was amazing 10-14 years ago. 

[ThisisOverload]

Comments like the above are why this board is dead.  It was amazing 10-14 years ago.

It's funnier when you realize he is criticizing an actual orthopedic surgeon who actually knows how these things work.

[AbrahamG]

I've used deca twice.  1st time at 250 per week alongside test and superdrol.  No major issues.  Dick needed a little boost so I'd pop a cialis when necessary. 

2nd time I used 400 per week alongside test and dbol.  Never ever again.  Blood pressure went through the roof and my dick was dead as a door nail.  Cialis did work though to bail it out.  I think dbol fucks me up harder than superdrol and too much deca aint for me. 

[bhank]

It's funnier when you realize he is criticizing an actual orthopedic surgeon who actually knows how these things work.

The dumbest motherfucking Dr I have ever met is an orthopedic surgeon who did my knees 20 years ago. He has consistently given bad advice and contradicted himself and just shown ignorance on a variety of medical subjects for 20 years despite having an entire hospital at a Major University named after him.

And this orthopedic admits he has used it and it works for joint pain fucking dumbasses and he admits he learned nothing about the subject in his formal training he openly admits orthopedic surgeons know nothing about the topic much less are they experts

[ThisisOverload]

The dumbest motherfucking Dr I have ever met is an orthopedic surgeon who did my knees 20 years ago. He has consistently given bad advice and contradicted himself and just shown ignorance on a variety of medical subjects for 20 years despite having an entire hospital at a Major University named after him.

And this orthopedic admits he has used it and it works for joint pain fucking dumbasses and he admits he learned nothing about the subject in his formal training he openly admits orthopedic surgeons know nothing about the topic much less are they experts

Ok Brian, you're the expert on everything.

We get it.

[The Keto Kid]

I saw an interview with that Dr. Testosterone "Dr. George" he said for trt he uses a low dose deca like 30mg a week. Something to consider.

[testiFy]

I run deca year round anywhere from 200mg (cruise) to 500mg (blasts).

If you don't get any major sides from deca, then I think it's safe to incorporate.
Make sure to donate/drain blood, check BP at least a couple times per week, and get your bloods done every couple of months.