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Traditional Karate
« on: October 12, 2006, 09:48:00 AM »
anyone have any experience with traditional karate?  I don't mean the kind they teach at a self defense school, or the kind where its a mix of all different martial arts

I studied Uechi ryu
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 01:49:35 PM »
its kinda sad that traditonal martial arts are getting lost due to all the MMA. everything is getting blended together and traditons are becomming scarce.

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 06:38:33 PM »
its kinda sad that traditonal martial arts are getting lost due to all the MMA. everything is getting blended together and traditons are becomming scarce.

That and all these f*cking pussy ass instructors opening a million buy your black belt shops.... And half of them are Tae Kwon Do dojangs which gives traditional Tae Kwon Do a horrible name...

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 08:07:59 PM »
yeah thats true. i saw a Martial Arts history special on the History channel a couple months back and the karate, Aikido, Tae kwon do and other forms of traditional martial arts were very different. the type we have has been so commercialized. the program showed traditional forms of karate where they still strike using force and technique and counter-technique. they had ninjitsu and intervired students who were gave up their entire lives to train that way. everything from making the weapons and how to use them. it was very intersting. its on sale on the History channel web site. absolutely great video, its been played several times.

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 08:13:51 PM »
yeah thats true. i saw a Martial Arts history special on the History channel a couple months back and the karate, Aikido, Tae kwon do and other forms of traditional martial arts were very different. the type we have has been so commercialized. the program showed traditional forms of karate where they still strike using force and technique and counter-technique. they had ninjitsu and intervired students who were gave up their entire lives to train that way. everything from making the weapons and how to use them. it was very intersting. its on sale on the History channel web site. absolutely great video, its been played several times.

If you don't spar against live resisting opponents, you won't know if your techniques are effective.  The MMA revolution exposed a lot of arts that no longer practiced in an "alive" setting.  I am sure there are many TMA schools that do spar live, but most have become McDojos because of fear of liability, the instructors not improving their games, and not willing to constantly test themselves.  The mindset of not getting beat by your students, plus poor personal fitness levels.  Most TMAs don't develop attributes necessary to make their techniques work.  Not to mention the business aspect.  Most want to stay in business.  Getting beat up, being sore, having constant joint pain, having grown men sweat on you aren't appealing to most folks.  Going to work with a black eye, or bruises also isn't appealling.  MT, boxing, wrestling, BJJ or Jiujitsu are all practiced in a live setting against resisting opponents.  This is why they work. 

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 02:37:27 AM »
my club instructor for Shotokan insists that we practice traditional Karate only, he hates seeing it modernised. Master Kawasoe is also old school so when we train we stick to the basics. Too many people these days think that they are Bruce fucking Lee, they have no idea what traditional Karate is all about. We practice kumite alot of the time so that Sensei can evaluate us and see if we are doing anything wrong. Hip movement, foot positioning, the direction of your attacks - everything is analysed to the smallest detail. Thats how i prefer to train because i didnt join Shotokan to be JCVD or Alfie Lewis
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2006, 07:29:40 AM »
Traditional karate is weak. I never see anyone who could take me in a fight from a karate class or any other menonmenaction class.
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2006, 09:18:38 AM »
youre a funny guy, but shut the fuck up retard
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2006, 01:08:11 PM »
youre a funny guy, but shut the f**k up retard

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2006, 02:08:21 PM »
If you don't spar against live resisting opponents, you won't know if your techniques are effective.  The MMA revolution exposed a lot of arts that no longer practiced in an "alive" setting.  I am sure there are many TMA schools that do spar live, but most have become McDojos because of fear of liability, the instructors not improving their games, and not willing to constantly test themselves.  The mindset of not getting beat by your students, plus poor personal fitness levels.  Most TMAs don't develop attributes necessary to make their techniques work.  Not to mention the business aspect.  Most want to stay in business.  Getting beat up, being sore, having constant joint pain, having grown men sweat on you aren't appealing to most folks.  Going to work with a black eye, or bruises also isn't appealling.  MT, boxing, wrestling, BJJ or Jiujitsu are all practiced in a live setting against resisting opponents.  This is why they work. 
i wasnt referring to TMA in the US. the documentary i saw displayed the TMA as it was meant to be practiced for generations with full and live contact, they hit with full force using no protective gear. there objective was not to "tap out" there enemy but it was to kill them as fast as possible using the least amount of movement.   being that TMA was once relied upon to protect king/queens and villages from enemies i have no doubt that the original TMA is highly effective, it has been proven. in no way was i trying to stand up for todays StarBucks version of TMA. by all means it is crap. all i am saying is that the TMA of old Asia is highly effective compared to what has been diluted and is sold to us today. there is a huge difference. people either forget or dont realize that TMA in Asia long ago was necessary and was not used as a sport like MMA is today. the objective of real TMA was different than that of MMA. and im definitely not saying i can kick anyones ass, thats for sure, regardless if he practices crap TMA, original TMA or MMA.

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2006, 03:03:23 PM »
i wasnt referring to TMA in the US. the documentary i saw displayed the TMA as it was meant to be practiced for generations with full and live contact, they hit with full force using no protective gear. there objective was not to "tap out" there enemy but it was to kill them as fast as possible using the least amount of movement.   being that TMA was once relied upon to protect king/queens and villages from enemies i have no doubt that the original TMA is highly effective, it has been proven. in no way was i trying to stand up for todays StarBucks version of TMA. by all means it is crap. all i am saying is that the TMA of old Asia is highly effective compared to what has been diluted and is sold to us today. there is a huge difference. people either forget or dont realize that TMA in Asia long ago was necessary and was not used as a sport like MMA is today. the objective of real TMA was different than that of MMA. and im definitely not saying i can kick anyones ass, thats for sure, regardless if he practices crap TMA, original TMA or MMA.

The bad thing about old time TMAs is they haven't adapted to society, and modern day circumstances.  Lets take Japanese Jiujitsu, the forerunner to most fighting arts from Japan like Karate, Judo, Aikido.  It was an all emcompassing art that used both weaponry (Katana), to empty hands.  The empty hands Jiujitsu was the last resort item when the samurai was thrown from his horse.  The horse stance was developed to give the samurai a base of which to attack a riding attacker.  Breaking of boards was used to get through your opponents armor once he was dehorsed.  Most of these things don't exist in modern combat or self defense.  In the streets, if a good boxer hits you with a cross/hook/uppercut combo, they will usually maim, possibly kill.  First, no teeth, secondly bloody nose, third KO.  Do you think the footwork of most TMAs (BTW, I was an instructor of a TMA previously) would work against a good boxer/wrestler.  Trust me, I have attempted to use my Biu Jee eye jab/throat jab against a good boxer, and it pissed them off, and they rocked my world.  All the gunting nerve destructions I learned proved worthless against a greco roman wrestler, once it hit the ground, the ne waza I learned from Judo was inadequate to deal with a BJJ man.  

If you want total reality, try doing Dog Brother weapons fighting.  Do a search on this group, they are the real deal.  Weapons fighting as well as their brand of Kali Tudo no rules fighting.  I have trained full contact with kamagong sticks, and it hurts, is effective, and will change your perception of weapons fighting.  It will heighten your perception of speed, control your adrenal glands more effectively, plus teach you line familiarizaiton, timing, rythym, speed and power.  Good stuff, and it is a TMA.  

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2006, 03:29:01 PM »
ok ok ok i tap Americanbulldog. geeez. you didnt have to do it like that. i get your point, all 234 of them.  :-\

 but it was a good documentary. i did order the video. i'll mail you a copy of it when i get it if you wish. let me know. 

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2006, 03:59:39 PM »
itch nee sun chi go ruk sich hach gu ju  8) I own you all.
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2006, 04:27:21 PM »
i think the problem with traditional is 10 year old kids with black belts. i started off in judo and kempo and it took me years to get belts in both. im now a brown in judo and a blue in kempo. i no longer practoice either at a dojo but i did judo for prob 8 years and i got my brown and honestly i dont think i shld have gotten it but i beat alot of brown and blacks due to wrestling skills

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2006, 04:30:11 PM »
Whats funny is that the three biggest people in karate with the highest rankings where chosen to take me down, however. They where training everything  and got nothing! haha When you weight 240 pounds at 6'4" and are as versatile as me, you won't need any training. 8)
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2006, 04:32:00 PM »
alexx when we compare are sleves to others we dont mention your name becaus ethat would be like comparing an ant hill to everest. you truly are a supreme being.

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2006, 04:33:02 PM »
alexx when we compare are sleves to others we dont mention your name becaus ethat would be like comparing an ant hill to everest. you truly are a supreme being.

I have decoded you primative wording and I think I decoded a compliment. Thank you.
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2006, 04:35:05 PM »
sorry i suck at typing

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2006, 04:53:00 PM »
sorry i suck at typing
and Alex just sucks :-X

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2006, 05:03:36 PM »
and Alex just sucks :-X

Yeah those juggs I can't get enough of, miss california! ;)
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2006, 05:21:09 PM »
Alexx musn't have been hugged by his parents.  He will take any form of attention he can get.  BTW Alexx, I am only 6'0, 207, 38, anytime you wanna meet halfway, my offer is still valid.  We can film it for google video and let all the getbiggers see how tough you really are. 

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2006, 04:52:08 PM »
Alexx musn't have been hugged by his parents.  He will take any form of attention he can get.  BTW Alexx, I am only 6'0, 207, 38, anytime you wanna meet halfway, my offer is still valid.  We can film it for google video and let all the getbiggers see how tough you really are. 

As for mine pal.....

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2006, 04:59:34 PM »
As for mine pal.....

I would rather kick both your asses at the same time!
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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2006, 11:50:50 PM »
I would rather kick both your asses at the same time!

Lets set a time and date.  Vegas would be a good neutral place, we can film it and it could add to your drive for hollywood. 

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Re: Traditional Karate
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2006, 01:44:50 PM »
Lets set a time and date.  Vegas would be a good neutral place, we can film it and it could add to your drive for hollywood. 

Well agreed, Alexxx you could take this tape with you to hollywood and show them how well you take an ass beating... You might get a part in a movie were they need a bitch to get beat real bad...