Steve Kuclo deadlifting 635 for three reps.

[Devon97]

First off please never insult me by accusing me of being TA.

Bottom line is this:

If a skinny kid posted a vid of himself doing 3 reps deadlifts of 315 with the EXACT technique as Klucko, then I guarentee you that everyone on this board would tell the kid to lower thew weight and use better lifting technique.
Fact: When someone posts a vid of them doing a very heavy weight with sloppy technique young impressionable lifters are often so impressed by the sheer weight used that they look past the sloppy bounceing of the weight and are awe struck by the visual affect.
YOu see if he were to use 525 for a RAW 3 reps with ZERO bounce it would still be impressive but yet not have the same SHOCK affect on impressionable young lifters.
Fact: Another way that people try to justify the sloppy and dangerous bounce technique is " WHY dont YOU post a vid of YOU doing it with a bounce and straps?"   My reply: " SO if I cant equal that feat I cant correct poor lifting technique when I see it"?  
REMEMBER: Being strong doesnt give you a free ticket to bounce weights.

[ieffinhatecardio]

I never, or almost never, occupy the middle of my cage; my whole being surges toward the bars.

I tried, Lord knows I tried but I just couldn't read this without laughing. Nice try though TA.

[rocket]

First off please never insult me by accusing me of being TA.

Bottom line is this:

If a skinny kid posted a vid of himself doing 3 reps deadlifts of 315 with the EXACT technique as Klucko, then I guarentee you that everyone on this board would tell the kid to lower thew weight and use better lifting technique.
Fact: When someone posts a vid of them doing a very heavy weight with sloppy technique young impressionable lifters are often so impressed by the sheer weight used that they look past the sloppy bounceing of the weight and are awe struck by the visual affect.
YOu see if he were to use 525 for a RAW 3 reps with ZERO bounce it would still be impressive but yet not have the same SHOCK affect on impressionable young lifters.
Fact: Another way that people try to justify the sloppy and dangerous bounce technique is " WHY dont YOU post a vid of YOU doing it with a bounce and straps?"   My reply: " SO if I cant equal that feat I cant correct poor lifting technique when I see it"? 
REMEMBER: Being strong doesnt give you a free ticket to bounce weights.

I never said anything about the bounce personally so I'll make it clearer.

You're quite welcome to post a video of you doing 1 faithful rep (which he did) with straps. 

[Devon97]

I never said anything about the bounce personally so I'll make it clearer.

You're quite welcome to post a video of you doing 1 faithful rep (which he did) with straps. 

And what will this prove? Most coaches arent as strong as the lifters they train. Does this mean if a coach cant out lift his pupil then he cant instruct him>? Im confused? I am also confused why my ability to perform a 1 rep deadlift with an industrial strength belt and straps has anything thing to do with anything.... especially since I NEVER once claimed to be able to!
Do you see why this is very confusing to me ?

[rocket]

And what will this prove? Most coaches arent as strong as the lifters they train. Does this mean if a coach cant out lift his pupil then he cant instruct him>? Im confused? I am also confused why my ability to perform a 1 rep deadlift with an industrial strength belt and straps has anything thing to do with anything.... especially since I NEVER once claimed to be able to!
Do you see why this is very confusing to me ?

You came to this thread and put forth the fact that its a shit lift for a variety of reasons.  This isn't a coaches board, this is a board for lifters.  If its a shit lift and straps and belt are such a performance gain post a picture of you coming close using the parameters provided - thereby proving thats its a trivial thing.  The question of whether you can do it is highly relevant.

You are right that if it were 315 we would criticise it but you make certain allowances when the load is decent.  Especially when you're talking about legitimate equipment allowances, not poor technique (again, the bounce I said nothing about, the first rep has nothing to do with that).

This has nothing to do with instruction and everything to do with having a little respect for an "ok" lift.  I don't think its super impressive for a juiced up guy either but I'm not about to make a thousand excuses as to why he can do it and I can't.

[SWOLETRAIN]

Juicing or not.... the kid is dope. let him do his thing.

[natural al]

Juicing or not.... the kid is dope. let him do his thing.

Word.

[Devon97]

You came to this thread and put forth the fact that its a shit lift for a variety of reasons.  This isn't a coaches board, this is a board for lifters.  If its a shit lift and straps and belt are such a performance gain post a picture of you coming close using the parameters provided - thereby proving thats its a trivial thing.  The question of whether you can do it is highly relevant.

You are right that if it were 315 we would criticise it but you make certain allowances when the load is decent.  Especially when you're talking about legitimate equipment allowances, not poor technique (again, the bounce I said nothing about, the first rep has nothing to do with that).

This has nothing to do with instruction and everything to do with having a little respect for an "ok" lift.  I don't think its super impressive for a juiced up guy either but I'm not about to make a thousand excuses as to why he can do it and I can't.

Your wrong: 1)Never said it was a shit lift. Please dont put words into my mouth. 2) My strength has ZERO relevance. 3) I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are an experienced lifter with at least 10 years experience. If so then you SHOULD know from personal experience the HUGE BOOST straps and an industrial strength belt can offer.

Your right: 1)I do agree its an "ok" lift for a juiced up guy and the first rep is solid. I will agree you didnt say anything about bounce so fair enough on that point.

Here is my Beef: I personally think the lift would be ALOT more impressive if it were performed RAW and no bounce BUT with less weight. Do you agree with me or Disagree with me on this point?

[Devon97]

Word.

agreed as well, so why the need for the excessive bounce?

If it was a skinny kid who bounced 315 EVERYONE on here would tell him to LOWER the weight.

[natural al]

agreed as well, so why the need for the excessive bounce?

If it was a skinny kid who bounced 315 EVERYONE on here would tell him to LOWER the weight.

Because it's not a skinny kid with 315lbs on the bar.  It's a 21 year old monster with 600+.  Who cares what he could do raw?  I could give a shit, I doubt he'll ever try to do 600+ raw with no belt and straps.  I just see it as a mute point.  I'm not trying to argue with you I just don't get the motivation behind saying how much he could do raw.

[DOGGCRAPP]

agreed as well, so why the need for the excessive bounce?

If it was a skinny kid who bounced 315 EVERYONE on here would tell him to LOWER the weight.

Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?

When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"   

He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....

[Naked4Jesus]

Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?

When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"   

He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....

Did you rinse your beef before or after this post?

[DOGGCRAPP]

Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.

If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.

[The True Adonis]

Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?

When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"   

He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....

I pause after each rep for a few sets and at times do the other method.  I find it really doesn`t matter as I don`t really bounce that much.  I pretend I am touching glass with the touch and go method.

[The True Adonis]

Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.

If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.

Enjoy the fat, eat less protein!

[McFarland]

Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.

If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.

Ha ha ha ha...MELTDOWN.  What's up, Dante?    Holy shit I love this place.

[DOGGCRAPP]

You guys didnt know that rinsing off cooked ground beef is the secret behind Steve Kuclo's success?

[McFarland]

Yeah Dante, they understand perfectly well the logic behind rinsing your beef so why are you trying to explain it again?  If you pick apart any guru's bag of objective, formal tricks, you can usually reduce it all to a collection of seemingly trivial techniques that aren't worthy of any real unique praise...but you put them all together and sprinkle an objective eye for detail with a passionate appreciation of aesthetic and you have yourself a true asset to the sport that can help make dreams become a reality.  You were the first to really advocate more than a couple of ideas so you deserve credit for trying to help the sport actualize itself, IMO.


 

[Moen]

Since this is going offtopic anyway I might as well ask this: I'm not american so I wanted to know what rinsing the meat is, I was not too lazy to look up rinsing so I'll just ask: it's just holding it under water for a while ?

And if you have a burger containing 10g fat per 100g burger, does it rid it of 5-8 of those fat grams ?

Thx dante (or others who reply)

[The True Adonis]

Yeah they understand perfectly well the logic behind rinsing your beef so why are you trying to explain it again?  If you pick apart any guru's bag of objective, formal tricks, you can usually reduce it all to a collection of seemingly trivial techniques that aren't worthy of any real unique praise...but you put them all together and sprinkle an objective eye for detail with a passionate appreciation of aesthetic and you have yourself a true asset to the sport that can help make dreams become a reality.  You were the first to really advocate more than a couple of ideas so you deserve credit for trying to help the sport actualize itself, IMO.


 

However,

there is a lot to be said by doling out false hope and expecting a true result. 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I dont know how it got started anyway Moen...its not like its a staple in my diet rec's. I think I answered a question once on IM from someone who said they didnt have alot of money for red meat (which I do recommend) and they asked if ground beef would be ok, and I told him to rinse it after its cooked......Im hoping it becomes as big of a staple as "he almost died for you bitches" and "Flex Wheeler measured his bodyfat at 0% in Golds Gym in front of Jimmy Quinn" but I dont think it has that kind of momentum.
   To answer your question, after cooked (in a collander or whatever) if you run it under water fairly quickly (this isnt a lengthy ordeal) it will get rid of a great deal of liquidfied fat that is cooked to the surface and is coating the meat.
    One of the detrimental sides of it though is it can cause you to slightly bounce your deadlift reps so keep that in mind

[Overload]

Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?

Yes...

no straps, only a belt for anything under 3 reps and a little chaulk.

but i'm a power lifter...

[Moen]

I dont know how it got started anyway Moen...its not like its a staple in my diet rec's. I think I answered a question once on IM from someone who said they didnt have alot of money for red meat (which I do recommend) and they asked if ground beef would be ok, and I told him to rinse it after its cooked......Im hoping it becomes as big of a staple as "he almost died for you bitches" and "Flex Wheeler measured his bodyfat at 0% in Golds Gym in front of Jimmy Quinn" but I dont think it has that kind of momentum.
   To answer your question, after cooked (in a collander or whatever) if you run it under water fairly quickly (this isnt a lengthy ordeal) it will get rid of a great deal of liquidfied fat that is cooked to the surface and is coating the meat.
    One of the detrimental sides of it though is it can cause you to slightly bounce your deadlift reps so keep that in mind

What if I rinse it somewhat longer, will I also bounce harder during deadlifting ?

Thx by the way!

[McFarland]

However,

there is a lot to be said by doling out false hope and expecting a true result. 

Adonis I'm not implying that I don't sympathize with your position somewhat as well...please understand this.  I'm not taking sides here, that's for sure. 

[legbreaker]

Both--since it rids ground beef of up to 50% of the fat that is cooked and brought to the surface, both. Do this today, cook up some burger/ground beef and put it into a dish and leave it in the fridge till tommorrow morning. Let me know if you feel like chowing it down after looking at the contents of that dish, because all that white solidified fat you see is what's going into your body if you dont rinse after cooking.

If its too comical for you to do or just a pain in the ass to do after cooking, hey be my guest in chowing that down, might as well pour the liquidfied fat thats in the pan and drink that down as a chaser.

D.c, you do realize that lots bodybuilders boiled their beef as far back as 84 (and probably before), when mr universe had me doing it, right?  I don't know why he asked you that question, but I just hope this isn't another one of your "new" old ideas.  No offense here, just curious if you realized that.