Author Topic: Steve Kuclo deadlifting 635 for three reps. (Read 43192 times)

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #150 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:22:03 PM »

Quote from: Devon97 on October 19, 2006, 04:05:47 PM

"More weight= more tension= more growth" In some cases YES but in this case, NO.

Let me explain.

We both agree that if the deadlift was performed correctly for 3 reps (with a pause a/f each rep) then less weight would have to be used, weather it be 30lbs or 50 lbs less.

You see even though more weight was used....... there was also a tremendous amount of momentum used to bounce the weight off the floor. THis does not EQUATE to a heaver LOAD on the muscles. WHY? Because elastic energy and momentum was used to bounce the weight off the floor, the muscles were NOT doing all the work, momentum and elastic energy was used to "bounce" the weight off the floor.
The Visual proof of this is in the Vid when he hardly got the first rep and yet the last 2 reps were EASIER then the first. This is undisputable proof to support my point.

The muscles would have experienced a greater "growth stimulas" if 575 had been used for each rep with a 3 second pause b/t each rep. Less weight would have been used , HOWEVER there would be ZERO momentum and elastic energy to assist in the lift.

See I think the muscle is able to contract harder when it's preceeded by an excentric.

Why do you have to pause in the deadlift but not in any other excercise when you are doing bodybuilding training? Why does no bodybuilder pause in the bottom of a squat? In the bench? If pausing is so much more beneficial shouldn't you pause all your movements to get rid of the kinetic energy? In Steve's video there was no ouright bounce either. The weight just touched the floor rather lightly.

chris_mason · « **Reply #151 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:22:20 PM »

Quote from: DOGGCRAPP on October 19, 2006, 10:35:11 AM

Here is a question for every poster on this thread. When you deadlift in the gym, do you go without straps and make sure you take a deadstop 3 second pause between every rep, just in case maybe just maybe there might be a powerlifting judge 10 feet away sitting in a chair.....waiting to give you a green light or not?

When I saw Ronnie doing 805 for 2, my thoughts were "thats guys a freak!"
not "ohhhh bullshit he bounced the second rep, he sucks! Probaly couldnt get 400 without straps"

He's a 21 year old bodybuilder Devon winging it in the gym....

I do

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Lol, I do for my own reasons and your point is well taken. The guys is VERY strong.

chris_mason · « **Reply #152 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:31:03 PM »

A little history:

J.C. Hise was a physical culturalist from the early 1900s. He was a man known for brute strength and for bulking himself to over 300 lbs using squats and various other exercises he invented. One such exercise used an apparatus he invented called the "hopper". It was essentially a deadlift platform which allowed the lifter to bounce the bar through the initial portion of the deadlift ROM. This allowed for greater loads and helped Hise to pull 700+ lbs in the 20s or 30s (I can't remember exactly). This was obviously WAY before steroids hit the scene.

MattT · « **Reply #153 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:40:55 PM »

doesn't work says its flagged

alexxx · « **Reply #154 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:55:57 PM »

Quote from: legbreaker on October 19, 2006, 12:57:17 PM

D.c, you do realize that lots bodybuilders boiled their beef as far back as 84 (and probably before), when mr universe had me doing it, right? I don't know why he asked you that question, but I just hope this isn't another one of your "new" old ideas. No offense here, just curious if you realized that.

I don't think Dante ever claimed to have invented that... My parents have been rising the beef forever! Its pretty common where I come from.

legbreaker · « **Reply #155 on:** October 19, 2006, 06:44:34 PM »

Quote from: alexxx on October 19, 2006, 05:55:57 PM

I don't think Dante ever claimed to have invented that... My parents have been rising the beef forever! Its pretty common where I come from.

Yeah, I understand Alex, that's why I asked why the poster sarcastically asked him that question.

DOGGCRAPP · « **Reply #156 on:** October 19, 2006, 06:56:52 PM »

Quote from: Devon97 on October 19, 2006, 04:20:19 PM

Interesting... well I have never seen those guys dead so I cant say.

Devon check out these 2 animals

This is King Kong vs Godzilla in the powerlifting world. Alot of the young guys on this board who only get into the visual side of the weightlifting world wont appreciate this but the guys on this board who have been around the block surely will.....these are 2 absolute beasts going mano a mano (get the women and children off the streets)

rocket · « **Reply #157 on:** October 19, 2006, 06:58:28 PM »

Quote from: Devon97 on October 19, 2006, 09:55:13 AM

Your wrong: 1)Never said it was a shit lift. Please dont put words into my mouth. 2) My strength has ZERO relevance. 3) I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are an experienced lifter with at least 10 years experience. If so then you SHOULD know from personal experience the HUGE BOOST straps and an industrial strength belt can offer.

Your right: 1)I do agree its an "ok" lift for a juiced up guy and the first rep is solid. I will agree you didnt say anything about bounce so fair enough on that point.

Here is my Beef: I personally think the lift would be ALOT more impressive if it were performed RAW and no bounce BUT with less weight. Do you agree with me or Disagree with me on this point?

You hung shit on him on your very first post here, there was enough scorn in the post to know that you have no respect for the lift. You also talk quite extensively about straps which as I have pointed out are very legitimate and in many cases absolutely necessary. You'll notice that despite the fact it was in some ways a flawed lift most people here (including notorious lifters) give credit where credit is due.

To be honest I'm only really concerned about the first rep and I don't see the belt or the straps as distorting the lift so I'd be less impressed by raw. I don't know whether the belt is truly an aid, I know when I deadlift heavy I only put one on for psychological reinforcement. Sometimes I have forgotten to put it on and the result has been the same. My belt wouldn't be considered "industrial" though.

As for your debate with Chris Mason.. haha, be careful. He is one person on this site that probably can do that weight without straps or a belt. Natural too.

chris_mason · « **Reply #158 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:05:00 PM »

Quote from: rocket on October 19, 2006, 06:58:28 PM

You hung shit on him on your very first post here, there was enough scorn in the post to know that you have no respect for the lift. You also talk quite extensively about straps which as I have pointed out are very legitimate and in many cases absolutely necessary. You'll notice that despite the fact it was in some ways a flawed lift most people here (including notorious lifters) give credit where credit is due.

To be honest I'm only really concerned about the first rep and I don't see the belt or the straps as distorting the lift so I'd be less impressed by raw. I don't know whether the belt is truly an aid, I know when I deadlift heavy I only put one on for psychological reinforcement. Sometimes I have forgotten to put it on and the result has been the same. My belt wouldn't be considered "industrial" though.

As for your debate with Chris Mason.. haha, be careful. He is one person on this site that probably can do that weight without straps or a belt. Natural too.

Actually, I pulled 645 lbs at our booth at the Olympia Expo while wearing my khaki shorts and a t-shirt. No belt, not straps, and with a hook grip. Greg from Gearman Nutrition (he was the next booth over from us) tried to get me to give 665 lbs a whirl but I figured that was enough for the day.

Thanks for the props Rocket.

chris_mason · « **Reply #159 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:10:03 PM »

Quote from: DOGGCRAPP on October 19, 2006, 06:56:52 PM

Devon check out these 2 animals

This is King Kong vs Godzilla in the powerlifting world. Alot of the young guys on this board who only get into the visual side of the weightlifting world wont appreciate this but the guys on this board who have been around the block surely will.....these are 2 absolute beasts going mano a mano (get the women and children off the streets)

How can you NOT get fired up about watching those two fucking animals! Man, I LOVE that stuff!

alexxx · « **Reply #160 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:11:50 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on October 19, 2006, 07:10:03 PM

How can you NOT get fired up about watching those two fucking animals! Man, I LOVE that stuff!

Yeah that was awesome!

DOGGCRAPP · « **Reply #161 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:18:50 PM »

Quote from: chris_mason on October 19, 2006, 07:05:00 PM

Actually, I pulled 645 lbs at our booth at the Olympia Expo while wearing my khaki shorts and a t-shirt. No belt, not straps, and with a hook grip. Greg from Gearman Nutrition (he was the next booth over from us) tried to get me to give 665 lbs a whirl but I figured that was enough for the day.

Thanks for the props Rocket.

Jesus Chris I didnt know you were pulling that kind of raw slag iron. Very impressive. Do you have a 700 in you down the road?

chris_mason · « **Reply #162 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:26:47 PM »

Quote from: DOGGCRAPP on October 19, 2006, 07:18:50 PM

Jesus Chris I didnt know you were pulling that kind of raw slag iron. Very impressive. Do you have a 700 in you down the road?

I will pull 700 lbs completey raw sometime very soon (well, perhaps not too soon, we will have to see

). I have not tested myself to the limit as of late but I am probably in the 660 range right now. I may switch back to sumo style soon and I can always pull more sumo after I get a few workouts in.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #163 on:** October 19, 2006, 08:34:24 PM »

Straps can sometimes actually reduce the amount of weight lifted. I know I pull more when I can just "rip and grip". Depends on the size of the hands etc but grip is not a limiting factor for everyone. I'm using straps now because of partially torn biceps but I wish I could go without.

Chris Mason, how quickly could one get used to a hook grip? Hurt like a SOB when I tried it recently.

hangclean · « **Reply #164 on:** October 19, 2006, 11:45:02 PM »

If you guys want to see an absolute animal deadlifting, go on Irongame and look up Konstantin Konstaninov. This guy has the most reckless form I've ever seen and he pulls 935. And he is a 275er.

chris_mason · « **Reply #165 on:** October 20, 2006, 07:53:48 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 19, 2006, 08:34:24 PM

Straps can sometimes actually reduce the amount of weight lifted. I know I pull more when I can just "rip and grip". Depends on the size of the hands etc but grip is not a limiting factor for everyone. I'm using straps now because of partially torn biceps but I wish I could go without.

Chris Mason, how quickly could one get used to a hook grip? Hurt like a SOB when I tried it recently.

It took me quite some time and yes, it does hurt like a bitch! The pain isn't so bad now.

Overload · « **Reply #166 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:44:26 AM »

i've been pulling with a hook grip every other deadlift workout and it's alot more difficult than i thought...

bigkahuna · « **Reply #167 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:55:40 AM »

steve kuclo is a freak!

video of him on you tube hack squatting 8 plates a side + a 50 pound dumbell

note:this is more than ronnie does in the unbelievable!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lNykZYsms

Overload · « **Reply #168 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:10:41 AM »

Ronnie also did 585 pound front squats before the hacks...

alexxx · « **Reply #169 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:11:23 AM »

Here he is owning TA as a natural

&NR

The True Adonis · « **Reply #170 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:36:47 AM »

Quote from: alexxx on October 20, 2006, 09:11:23 AM

Here he is owning TA as a natural
&NR

texasRUSH · « **Reply #171 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:50:58 AM »

what's as hook grip? both palms facing towards you? instead of the one hand over one under traditional grip!?

and i can't imagine the grip strength those guys have...holy god!

chris_mason · « **Reply #172 on:** October 20, 2006, 10:19:07 AM »

Quote from: texasRUSH on October 20, 2006, 09:50:58 AM

what's as hook grip? both palms facing towards you? instead of the one hand over one under traditional grip!?

and i can't imagine the grip strength those guys have...holy god!

That is correct but the hook grip is a stronger one than the traditional overhand. The difference is you "hook" or cover your thumb with your index and forefinger. The thumb is therefore pinned between your fingers and the bar. That is where the pain comes in.

texasRUSH · « **Reply #173 on:** October 20, 2006, 10:43:55 AM »

i perform my dead with both hands over the top...

can you pull more with one up and one down?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #174 on:** October 20, 2006, 11:14:40 AM »

Quote from: texasRUSH on October 20, 2006, 10:43:55 AM

i perform my dead with both hands over the top...

can you pull more with one up and one down?

I think so yes. At least I have noticed it, changes the mechanics somehow. You don't pull completely evenly which is why it's recommended to switch which hand is over/under periodically to build the back evenly.