Author Topic: for those that like to grapple... (Read 4515 times)

texasRUSH · « **on:** October 18, 2006, 08:22:53 AM »

i'm in love with it..the more i do it the more i can't wait for the next class period! i like it so much so that i'm thinking of cutting my standup classes all together and maybe focus on just competitive grappling...

if you had a choice between bbj and judo which would you choose?

smoothasf · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:07:25 AM »

sombo

americanbulldog · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:33:00 AM »

I go to BJJ classes twice a week, train MT once a week, and workout freestyle once a week. I love grappling, but I also love MT and training Vale Tudo. I have done numerous BJJ and No Gi grappling tourneys, but still love doing standup. I know how you feel, after training, I always get delayed intelligence and think of things I should have done. My BJJ school has a lot of fighters who do MMA events, so it is always fun helping these guys get ready for fights.

lilwoday09smb · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2006, 02:10:32 PM »

i would work in this order, stand up, wrestling, bjj. if you havnt noticed bjj is becoming crap. its hard to utalise a arm bar when your being punched in teh face. i think its important but not as important as the gracie family wants you to believe

Fury · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2006, 09:27:13 PM »

Quote from: lilwoday09smb on October 18, 2006, 02:10:32 PM

i would work in this order, stand up, wrestling, bjj. if you havnt noticed bjj is becoming crap. its hard to utalise a arm bar when your being punched in teh face. i think its important but not as important as the gracie family wants you to believe

That might be the dumbest comment I've seen on here in a long time. BJJ becoming crap? Yes, you're right. Every fight ends in a knockout nowadays.

lilwoday09smb · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2006, 10:21:23 PM »

i never said that what i said was why do bjj guys think its the ultimate tool, its not, its even more useless in real life.

legbreaker · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2006, 10:35:59 PM »

While both, Judo and BJJ are awesome, if I was to choose between the two I would go with the BJJ and I wouldn't give up your standup. Do you want to compete NAGA or Abu dabi or something?

gtbro1 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:23:29 AM »

Quote from: lilwoday09smb on October 18, 2006, 10:21:23 PM

i never said that what i said was why do bjj guys think its the ultimate tool, its not, its even more useless in real life.

I disagree.Most fights on the street end up on the ground,unless of coarse one guy happens to get knocked out right off the bat...but usually two untrained fighters will end up rolling around on the ground,not standing toe to toe duke'n it out.

Fury · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2006, 07:24:07 AM »

Quote from: gtbro1 on October 19, 2006, 07:23:29 AM

I disagree.Most fights on the street end up on the ground,unless of coarse one guy happens to get knocked out right off the bat...but usually two untrained fighters will end up rolling around on the ground,not standing toe to toe duke'n it out.

Exactly.

lilwoday09smb · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2006, 09:30:48 AM »

from personaly experience i disagree, however u may be right. but if you havnt noticed ground game is becoming less and less a part of professional fighting. either you have a striker who will keep the fight up unless he gets taken down, in wich case he needs to know some decent defense and he will get up and start again, or you have ground and pound who take down stay in guard and destroy bjj guys. as long as you dont stop moving and scramble you can defend the bjj, its useless when being hit in the face. look at all the top fighter, none are bjj experts. thats shit is over with.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2006, 09:52:59 AM »

Quote from: lilwoday09smb on October 19, 2006, 09:30:48 AM

from personaly experience i disagree, however u may be right. but if you havnt noticed ground game is becoming less and less a part of professional fighting. either you have a striker who will keep the fight up unless he gets taken down, in wich case he needs to know some decent defense and he will get up and start again, or you have ground and pound who take down stay in guard and destroy bjj guys. as long as you dont stop moving and scramble you can defend the bjj, its useless when being hit in the face. look at all the top fighter, none are bjj experts. thats shit is over with.

The rules are designed to keep the fights standing, as most fans think standup is more exciting. In the street, there's no ref to "stand-up" the fighters if there's not enough action on the ground.

Fury · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2006, 11:19:52 AM »

If anything, a ground game is becoming more important in a fight. Maybe not so in the UFC with it getting stood up after 10 seconds on the ground, but PRIDE has plenty of ground work happening in their fights.

bailey · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2006, 05:08:13 PM »

Pride has changed allot as well though. The Japanese fans have no interest in the ground game. You actually get a ( Yellow card ) where you lose a large amount of your purse winnings per yellow card. I know a fighter ( Dean Lister)A world champ in grappling. he had a Pride contract and eventually left due to the fact he was losing so much money because he would aways take it to the ground. sometimes the entire fight would stay there. The Japanese don't like it. They like the Crocops and the Fedor's.
These guys have decent ground games, but are super dominant with their stand up. Not just striking but great kicks. Watch some of Crocops fights. He has to have the best kicks out there. I think for guys that really know the sport, really take interest in the ground game. Two good grappler's sometimes cancell each other out, but if you know what's going on it's an awesome display of technical skills. Like a chess game. Of course the stand up game will always be more popular due to the flashiness of it. And the fact that your average fight fan does not know what the hell is going on when two skilled fighters are on the ground. To them it just looks like a two guys wrestling around and not doing much. If they only really knew what is really happening they would appreciate it more.

lilwoday09smb · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2006, 06:49:41 PM »

well I'm a wrestler and do appreciate the ground game, however just look at bjj guys there out of shape, soft, and weak. taht not what i want to be. so i figure if all the guys i want to be and look like are wrestlers and strikers (and champions) i might as well be like them and focus on there training. u need to know some bjj but i would not make it my staple discipline

legbreaker · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2006, 06:53:13 PM »

speaking of Pride I'm looking forward to seeing my man, Phil baroni win this weekend. Do you guys like the card?

Fury · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2006, 08:22:10 PM »

Quote from: bailey on October 19, 2006, 05:08:13 PM

Pride has changed allot as well though. The Japanese fans have no interest in the ground game. You actually get a ( Yellow card ) where you lose a large amount of your purse winnings per yellow card. I know a fighter ( Dean Lister)A world champ in grappling. he had a Pride contract and eventually left due to the fact he was losing so much money because he would aways take it to the ground. sometimes the entire fight would stay there. The Japanese don't like it. They like the Crocops and the Fedor's.
These guys have decent ground games, but are super dominant with their stand up. Not just striking but great kicks. Watch some of Crocops fights. He has to have the best kicks out there. I think for guys that really know the sport, really take interest in the ground game. Two good grappler's sometimes cancell each other out, but if you know what's going on it's an awesome display of technical skills. Like a chess game. Of course the stand up game will always be more popular due to the flashiness of it. And the fact that your average fight fan does not know what the hell is going on when two skilled fighters are on the ground. To them it just looks like a two guys wrestling around and not doing much. If they only really knew what is really happening they would appreciate it more.

Yeah, people like Arona who lay'n'pray all their decisions aren't wanted in PRIDE. How many fucking retards on this board?

bailey · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2006, 11:07:09 PM »

I can name one !!!!

davinci · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:21:29 PM »

Quote from: bailey on October 19, 2006, 05:08:13 PM

Pride has changed allot as well though. The Japanese fans have no interest in the ground game. You actually get a ( Yellow card ) where you lose a large amount of your purse winnings per yellow card. I know a fighter ( Dean Lister)A world champ in grappling. he had a Pride contract and eventually left due to the fact he was losing so much money because he would aways take it to the ground. sometimes the entire fight would stay there. The Japanese don't like it. They like the Crocops and the Fedor's.
These guys have decent ground games, but are super dominant with their stand up. Not just striking but great kicks. Watch some of Crocops fights. He has to have the best kicks out there. I think for guys that really know the sport, really take interest in the ground game. Two good grappler's sometimes cancell each other out, but if you know what's going on it's an awesome display of technical skills. Like a chess game. Of course the stand up game will always be more popular due to the flashiness of it. And the fact that your average fight fan does not know what the hell is going on when two skilled fighters are on the ground. To them it just looks like a two guys wrestling around and not doing much. If they only really knew what is really happening they would appreciate it more.

you cant b serious? japanese love the submissions. the only reason teh guys get yellowcarded on teh ground is when they lnp, and do not try to advance there position i.e. pass the gaurd, etc... its only to keep the action moving.

Fury · « **Reply #18 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:25:53 PM »

Quote from: davinci on October 20, 2006, 09:21:29 PM

you cant b serious? japanese love the submissions. the only reason teh guys get yellowcarded on teh ground is when they lnp, and do not try to advance there position i.e. pass the gaurd, etc... its only to keep the action moving.

The guy is a retard davinci, he just keeps proving it by making claims of the ground game disappearing in MMA. At least some people aren't completely morons on here.

legbreaker · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2006, 11:00:14 PM »

I just watched some real impressive BJJ from a UFC event (42, I belive) from Miami Florida with Hermes franca....the kid he fought was one of the toughest kids and an AWESOME wrestler. He executed a perfect double overhand belly to belly suplex early. If ya get a chance to check it out it is very impressive to say the least.

*ChuteBoxe* · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2006, 08:18:41 AM »

Quote from: legbreaker on October 19, 2006, 06:53:13 PM

speaking of Pride I'm looking forward to seeing my man, Phil baroni win this weekend. Do you guys like the card?

Baroni finally has a fight with a person who has less ground skills than him, I think it will be a repeat of Cyborg/Nishijima.

Scimowser · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2006, 08:37:34 AM »

IMO the ground game in MMA has become more important than striking. You have guys like who have natural striking ability training their asses off to be good enough on the ground so they can compete. Everyone in MMA knows how important it is to be comfortable on your back or in the mount position, because its no good getting into that position and not knowing what to do - i mean youre vitrually guaranteed to get into one of those positions at some point.

Mark Coleman and Randy were trend setters in that they bullied people on the ground and used what striking ability they had to force their opponents into submission. Nowadays, everyone wants to have some sort of BJJ experience or wrestling background to fall back on

texasRUSH · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2006, 09:18:02 AM »

lol wow did this get heated!

i found a school run by a guy trained by travis lutter here locally...they do mui thai and bjj and attend lots of grappling competitions which is what i'm looking for! half the class is skills and training with the other half hands on grappling! THAT'S what i'm after...not having to wait for the next 3 or 4 belts before i can get my hands on someone and put to use my techniques in a controlled environment.

Fury · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2006, 10:48:28 AM »

Sounds pretty good.

legbreaker · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2006, 08:22:26 PM »

Like i said, Phil baroni did win tonight and is moving closer and closer to the championship. Did anyone see the fight, what did you think? Very impressive work by Phil.