Sustanon vs. Omnadren

[Arnold jr]

If you knew what you were talking about DIV you would know the new Omnadren is basiclly the same compounds as sustanon 250. Seriously you are the worst moderators of all time! No one should ever get there cycle advice here! Ever! You act like you know but Ive seen your pic bro. You look terrible! Bwaaa!

If you have a problem with this board, why do you post here?

[krazee]

If you knew what you were talking about DIV you would know the new Omnadren is basiclly the same compounds as sustanon 250. Seriously you are the worst moderators of all time! No one should ever get there cycle advice here! Ever! You act like you know but Ive seen your pic bro. You look terrible! Bwaaa!

Even though it may be the same compounds, not always do you get the same feel from the drug. Just as every person does not get the same affects of AAS as the next person does taking it. In reality if you had any experience in the game you would understand both of the points I have made above.

As far as DIV, him and Arnold Jr. are were they are because they have the experience to be there. I mean really do you feel you could do a better job? Obviously others disagree or you would be asked to be a mod. The mods here offer some good solid advice, and as the rest of us are, they still are human and have questions to further there knowledge in the game.

Before you speak next time, think of what you write and make sense of it, because I just see Bullshit falling from your mouth.

[DIVISION]

Currently both Sustanon and Omnadren are identical, but I agree with previous post that Nile, Karachi, Mexican should not be trusted because altough they are under Organon brand name, being manufactured in third wolrd country makes quality control very questionable. Omnadren is the way to go as fakes are very uncommon being that the price of one amp in Poland is less than a dollar and easily available. Also Poland has very high quality products and very tight drug quality control.

Sustanon and Omnadren are not identical....one ester is different.

I think it's ignorant to assume that any of the Organon Sustanons manufactured in foreign countries are somehow lower in quality.

The Karachi Sustanon have a good rep, while the Niles do not.

I've never seen a fake Karachi, but I know that Niles are faked.

Doubtful that the Mexican redijects are faked, too expensive.

All things being equal, I'd take the Sustanon unless the Omnadren are dirt cheap.

If you knew what you were talking about DIV you would know the new Omnadren is basiclly the same compounds as sustanon 250. Seriously you are the worst moderators of all time! No one should ever get there cycle advice here! Ever! You act like you know but Ive seen your pic bro. You look terrible! Bwaaa!

The same compounds except that Omnadren contains testosterone caproate, while Sustanon contains testosterone decanoate.  The deca releases much faster which is why Omnadren is said to have a higher incidence of water retention.  I'd say that's a pretty substantial difference. 

I've never posted a pic, because it would be pretty stupid to do so on a site like this considering I openly admit to using AAS without prescription.

Even though it may be the same compounds, not always do you get the same feel from the drug. Just as every person does not get the same affects of AAS as the next person does taking it.

Exactly.

I can describe in detail how every anabolic compound feels when I run it, and what it does to my body, but will it really help the next guy whose genetics are different than mine?

Probably not.......

All we have are correlations and common sides to compare.



DIV

[AntonioC]

Division you know it amazes me when someone DOESNT know something yet acts like he does. I never say things unless I am 100% sure of what I say.
Back to Omnadrev vs Sustanon. For the past couple of years (2 or 3 not sure exactly) Omnadren has been identical to Sustanon. There was one ester difference before but no more. They are the same. Exactly the same. I was in Poland this summer and swa both the old and the new Omnadren. Dont be a fool and argue if you dont know something. Omnadren grey paper labels that are importated to Russia and Ukraine (new bottles) can be see on some boards too. Also altough I cant provide you with proof myself (for personal reasons) I'll be more than happy to give you a contact of sales rep from Jelfa, the producer of Omnadren.
Now you right about Organon brand name, but do you really believe that the drug is the same quality, handled the same way, inspected the same way in Pakistan and Holland for example. You got to be kidding.
when you buy something legit in Europe or from USA pharmacy you can rest assured it's good. While you buy something in third wold country, anything can happen. Who can forget legit phamracutical Iranian Aburaihan Test Enanthate that tested around 160 (instead of 250) or ICN Galenika from Yugoslavia 176 instead of 250.
Should I continue?

[DIVISION]

Division you know it amazes me when someone DOESNT know something yet acts like he does. I never say things unless I am 100% sure of what I say.
Back to Omnadrev vs Sustanon. For the past couple of years (2 or 3 not sure exactly) Omnadren has been identical to Sustanon. There was one ester difference before but no more. They are the same. Exactly the same. I was in Poland this summer and swa both the old and the new Omnadren. Dont be a fool and argue if you dont know something. Omnadren grey paper labels that are importated to Russia and Ukraine (new bottles) can be see on some boards too. Also altough I cant provide you with proof myself (for personal reasons) I'll be more than happy to give you a contact of sales rep from Jelfa, the producer of Omnadren.
Now you right about Organon brand name, but do you really believe that the drug is the same quality, handled the same way, inspected the same way in Pakistan and Holland for example. You got to be kidding.
when you buy something legit in Europe or from USA pharmacy you can rest assured it's good. While you buy something in third wold country, anything can happen. Who can forget legit phamracutical Iranian Aburaihan Test Enanthate that tested around 160 (instead of 250) or ICN Galenika from Yugoslavia 176 instead of 250.
Should I continue?

I haven't seen any of the new Omnadren and I haven't seen any of them in print, either, so if what you say is true, then I admit I'm wrong.

If it's been 2 or 3 years as you've said, I wonder why it wasn't updated in Llewellyn's Anabolics 2005 edition?

It's not a big deal now I suppose.

Now you right about Organon brand name, but do you really believe that the drug is the same quality, handled the same way, inspected the same way in Pakistan and Holland for example. You got to be kidding.
when you buy something legit in Europe or from USA pharmacy you can rest assured it's good. While you buy something in third wold country, anything can happen.

I think generally your point rings true, except for Karachi Sustanon250.  The screenprinting and the way the date is laserprinted on the glass amp makes it very unlikely those have ever been faked.  I have never heard of a fake Karachi, and they have a very good reputation. 

If I was ever able to sample the Holland product, I'd tell you my opinion.

There's no proof, obviously, that the quality is any different but there is a consensus among users that the Niles don't feel as good as the Karachi.

That's all I have to go on at this point.



DIV

[Captain Equipoise]

DIV, I've been saying that about Omna all along.

[DIVISION]

DIV, I've been saying that about Omna all along.

Until I've used it myself and have it in my possession, all of this is based on the word of other people.

I tend to trust my own eyes over other people's.

Don't you?




DIV

[whitewidow]

I haven't seen any of the new Omnadren and I haven't seen any of them in print, either, so if what you say is true, then I admit I'm wrong.

If it's been 2 or 3 years as you've said, I wonder why it wasn't updated in Llewellyn's Anabolics 2005 edition?

It's not a big deal now I suppose.

I think generally your point rings true, except for Karachi Sustanon250.  The screenprinting and the way the date is laserprinted on the glass amp makes it very unlikely those have ever been faked.  I have never heard of a fake Karachi, and they have a very good reputation. 

If I was ever able to sample the Holland product, I'd tell you my opinion.

There's no proof, obviously, that the quality is any different but there is a consensus among users that the Niles don't feel as good as the Karachi.

That's all I have to go on at this point.



DIV

Here is a fake one for you bad boy-for more info on the fake karachis check out www.retdomestic.com
Div you need to get some updated material bad boy-lol anyway id probably go with omnas because i get them for dirt cheap and my bro is in poland so I know they are 110% legit plus I get them in the original packaging-cant really beat that-lol.

[DIVISION]

Here is a fake one for you bad boy-for more info on the fake karachis check out www.retdomestic.com
Div you need to get some updated material bad boy-lol anyway id probably go with omnas because i get them for dirt cheap and my bro is in poland so I know they are 110% legit plus I get them in the original packaging-cant really beat that-lol.

Now that I know that the Omnadren are the same and they are the same quality as Organon, I'll pursue that.



DIV

[Cleanest Natural]

I'VE DONE 'EM BOTH...HERE'S THE SCOOP... OMNADREN IS FASTER ACTING AND U RETAIN WATER A BIT MORE...OTHER THEN THAT SUSTANON IS A BETTER OVERALL PRODUCT....SO I'LL PICK IT OVER OMNADREN

[DIVISION]

I'VE DONE 'EM BOTH...HERE'S THE SCOOP... OMNADREN IS FASTER ACTING AND U RETAIN WATER A BIT MORE...OTHER THEN THAT SUSTANON IS A BETTER OVERALL PRODUCT....SO I'LL PICK IT OVER OMNADREN

If the new Omnadren are of the same formula as Sustanon, why would the mechanism of action be any different?

They are identical ester-wise, now.





DIV

[Cleanest Natural]

i've done the old one...the new one is the same, so just go by price

[downandout]

Sustanon and Omnadren are not identical....one ester is different.

I think it's ignorant to assume that any of the Organon Sustanons manufactured in foreign countries are somehow lower in quality.

The Karachi Sustanon have a good rep, while the Niles do not.

I've never seen a fake Karachi, but I know that Niles are faked.

Doubtful that the Mexican redijects are faked, too expensive.

All things being equal, I'd take the Sustanon unless the Omnadren are dirt cheap.

The same compounds except that Omnadren contains testosterone caproate, while Sustanon contains testosterone decanoate.  The deca releases much faster which is why Omnadren is said to have a higher incidence of water retention.  I'd say that's a pretty substantial difference. 

I've never posted a pic, because it would be pretty stupid to do so on a site like this considering I openly admit to using AAS without prescription.

Exactly.

I can describe in detail how every anabolic compound feels when I run it, and what it does to my body, but will it really help the next guy whose genetics are different than mine?

Probably not.......

All we have are correlations and common sides to compare.



DIV

Omnadren 250 





 

Anabolic Steroid Books
Anabolics 2006 by William Llewellyn - Regarded as the undisputed mother of all steroid reference manuals by bodybuilders

Anabolic Steroids: The Ultimate Research Guide by Anthony Roberts - Steroid manual written in a straight forward and conversational style that you will understand
 
Publication Date: November 1, 1998

UPDATED: As of fall 2000, the formula for Omnadren 250 is identical to the formula for Sustanon 250.

by Bill Roberts - This preparation is quite similar to Sustanon, and is different only in that 100 mg/mL of it (of 250 mg/mL total) is testosterone hexanoate instead of the testosterone decanoate used in Sustanon. For this reason, Omnadren has a shorter half life, and will give a faster initial increase in blood level. This accounts for the claim of increased water retention and increased side effects, since levels, at first, are higher for the same dosage.

The claim that Omnadren has a duration effect of "a good 2-3 weeks" is somewhat misleading since the half life of the longest lived component is only about 5 days. There is of course some effect 2 or 3 weeks after injection, but relatively little.

The hexanoate ester is quite similar to the well known enanthate ester, but is shorter by one carbon.

The isohexanoate ester in Omnadren is the same, only named differently, as the isocaproate ester in Sustanon. Thus, the hexanoate vs. decanoate difference is the only difference in the mixture of esters.

I hate to cut and paste, but its been said that all omnas now have the same 4 esters as sust 2250, this debate goes on and on, who the hell cares, use what makes you happy.
 

[DIVISION]

Omnadren 250 





 

Anabolic Steroid Books
Anabolics 2006 by William Llewellyn - Regarded as the undisputed mother of all steroid reference manuals by bodybuilders

Anabolic Steroids: The Ultimate Research Guide by Anthony Roberts - Steroid manual written in a straight forward and conversational style that you will understand
 
Publication Date: November 1, 1998

UPDATED: As of fall 2000, the formula for Omnadren 250 is identical to the formula for Sustanon 250.

by Bill Roberts - This preparation is quite similar to Sustanon, and is different only in that 100 mg/mL of it (of 250 mg/mL total) is testosterone hexanoate instead of the testosterone decanoate used in Sustanon. For this reason, Omnadren has a shorter half life, and will give a faster initial increase in blood level. This accounts for the claim of increased water retention and increased side effects, since levels, at first, are higher for the same dosage.

The claim that Omnadren has a duration effect of "a good 2-3 weeks" is somewhat misleading since the half life of the longest lived component is only about 5 days. There is of course some effect 2 or 3 weeks after injection, but relatively little.

The hexanoate ester is quite similar to the well known enanthate ester, but is shorter by one carbon.

The isohexanoate ester in Omnadren is the same, only named differently, as the isocaproate ester in Sustanon. Thus, the hexanoate vs. decanoate difference is the only difference in the mixture of esters.

I hate to cut and paste, but its been said that all omnas now have the same 4 esters as sust 2250, this debate goes on and on, who the hell cares, use what makes you happy.
 

I'm not sure it's a debate anymore if the actual formulas are identical, which is what people who used them have been saying.

The old Omnadren were different.

The new ones are said to be identical.



DIV

[Playboy]

For those of you who have tried both in separate cycles, how would you compare the feel of them?

Which felt better?

Stronger?

Smoother?

Explain which you prefer and why.

Experienced vets only please!



DIV

Hey Div,

To answer that I would honestly have to say I felt better on the sustenon. I used both and I felt that there was less water retention and more solid gains in lean muscle mass. I felt shitty on the omnadren. The sustenon I used was Karachi. Great stuff. I did only 500mg each week (upping to 750mg each week while mid cycle)stacked with 400mg of Deca (Norma Hellas) for 10 weeks slowly tappering down and then replacing the sustenon with winstrol tabs.
I say if you need to choose between the two...go for the Sustenon.

PB
 

[Has Beens]

Ok, my .02.....
I have done many types of sus over the years ( Mexican redi-jects, Turkish, Karachi, green Niles, and both Omnadrens).
It is true that with the older Omna`s there was more water retention, but they worked very well. The Turkish were IMO garbage as well as the Niles. Not that they were fake or anything, just did not work well for me. My favorites were the Redi-jects and the Karachi`s for effectiveness. As far as the newer Omna`s ( I think it has been more like 4-5 years since the change), I have used them as a bridge and had nothing bad say about them.

[DIVISION]

Ok, my .02.....
I have done many types of sus over the years ( Mexican redi-jects, Turkish, Karachi, green Niles, and both Omnadrens).
It is true that with the older Omna`s there was more water retention, but they worked very well. The Turkish were IMO garbage as well as the Niles. Not that they were fake or anything, just did not work well for me. My favorites were the Redi-jects and the Karachi`s for effectiveness. As far as the newer Omna`s ( I think it has been more like 4-5 years since the change), I have used them as a bridge and had nothing bad say about them.

I suppose I would wonder why the quality of the Karachi's and Redijects would be higher than the Niles or Turkish?

Overdosed or that the others were underdosed?

Higher quality assurance at the lab?




DIV

[Has Beens]

I suppose I would wonder why the quality of the Karachi's and Redijects would be higher than the Niles or Turkish?

Overdosed or that the others were underdosed?

Higher quality assurance at the lab?




DIV

I wondered myself, as I have always been skeptcal of any gear out of Mexico. Now with that being said, does Organon have any type of quality standards across the board with similar products ?

[Playboy]

I suppose I would wonder why the quality of the Karachi's and Redijects would be higher than the Niles or Turkish?

Overdosed or that the others were underdosed?

Higher quality assurance at the lab?




DIV

Could be. I used the Niles before and They did nothing. I was so upset. Wasted my cash on 40 ampoules of that Niles shit.

PB

[DIVISION]

I wondered myself, as I have always been skeptcal of any gear out of Mexico. Now with that being said, does Organon have any type of quality standards across the board with similar products ?

I think it has to do with where the product was produced.

Niles are produced in Egypt under the Organon brand, but they are not seen as the same quality as the Karachi which are made in Pakistan.

The Mexican Sostenon Redijects are good quality and aren't faked, so being skeptical of them is ridiculous.

All things being equal, I'll take the Reijects for the same price as the Karachi simply because they're mean for quick injections.

Can't beat that.....


DIV