Author Topic: Can a pro under 230lbs. win the Olympia? (Read 2595 times)

NJ_Slinky · « **on:** November 25, 2006, 03:45:38 PM »

About 10 years ago, there was a debate on if the title would ever go to a guy under 200 lbs. I think Shawn Ray had the best chance, but we all know how that ended.

By today's standards, could a sub 230 lbs. win? Doubt I'll see a sub 5'7 win the title, but this may come before a sub 230 pounder. Discuss?

flexingtonsteele · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:47:48 PM »

The only sub 230 guy right now w/a chance is.......Phil Heath, not because he has the best physique, but because of politics

french mistake · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:49:35 PM »

If he's 4'3".

Lee? Anyone see Lee?

NJ_Slinky · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:52:54 PM »

Quote from: french mistake on November 25, 2006, 03:49:35 PM

If he's 4'3".

Lee? Anyone see Lee?

No way Lee wins the Olympia.

Dballn247 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:54:44 PM »

No. At the O, People expect to see freaks. That is why we Bodybuild we want to stand out from the people who look athletic.

At the Biggest freak show of the year, The guy that looks big for his height (Ex David Henry, no dis great BBer) will never win out against a Cutler, Coleman, Yates. Unless the big guy pulls a Branch Warren and shows up off season.

Meltdown · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2006, 03:58:33 PM »

A good little man will never beat a good big man.A great little man will never beat a great big man.History shows this in the Olympia.Hey wait a minute what about Zane???Oh well it sounded right.Has more to do with what Wieder wants.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2006, 04:29:11 PM »

The last Mr Olympia winner under 200lbs was Samir Bannout in 1983 he was 188 pounds ! the last Mr Olympia who was 240lbs was Lee Haney in 1984 !

Flex Wheeler could have won it under the right set of circumstances at 230lbs like his 1993 ASC condition but the chances of anyone under 230lbs winning are very rare in this day and age.

Wiggs · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2006, 04:59:44 PM »

Flex was 216 at the 93 Olympia and measured at 0.0 % bodyfat a couple days prior.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #8 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:04:53 PM »

Quote from: Big_Wiggs on November 25, 2006, 04:59:44 PM

Flex was 216 at the 93 Olympia and measured at 0.0 % bodyfat a couple days prior.

lol by Jim Quinn

gh15 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:14:46 PM »

the only one since the 90s under ~240 who could have won the o is ray,,if he didnt no one will,,,ifbb want beasts and will always want beasts which i have nothing against,,but the smaller guys pay heavy price for this as of the last 15 years,,you all know that already though

carvedoutofwood · « **Reply #10 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:25:33 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 25, 2006, 05:14:46 PM

the only one since the 90s under ~240 who could have won the o is ray,,if he didnt no one will,,,ifbb want beasts and will always want beasts which i have nothing against,,but the smaller guys pay heavy price for this as of the last 15 years,,you all know that already though

do any of these guys really "beat" eachother... not really... it all comes down to what the judges decide they want to reward that year... these judges have half a dozen meetings the week of the Mr. O.... FOR WHAT REASON, they kno the criteria..... its to decide who THEY and the IFBB want to be Mr. O, thast why its the same judges over and over, cause they do as theyre told, and keep their mouths shut...

carvedoutofwood · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:27:33 PM »

hopefully the politics were set up to faze these mass monsters out... i mean they couldnt give melvin dex of Vic the O unless jay came in way off, cause it woulda undermined theyre entire lie... so they give it to jay this year.... and hopefully melvin, dex, vic, or phil are able to "beat" the competition next year

UpTheDosage · « **Reply #12 on:** November 25, 2006, 08:50:13 PM »

Yes. Phil will win the Olympia at 230 lbs. or right under. He was 209 on stage at the NY and Colorado Pro shows. With another 20 lbs. of muscle he'd be unbeatable.

pobrecito · « **Reply #13 on:** November 25, 2006, 08:52:32 PM »

Quote from: UpTheDosage on November 25, 2006, 08:50:13 PM

Yes. Phil will win the Olympia at 230 lbs. or right under. He was 209 on stage at the NY and Colorado Pro shows. With another 20 lbs. of muscle he'd be unbeatable.

the average woman has wider clavicles than heath $:-\$

beatmaster · « **Reply #14 on:** November 25, 2006, 08:54:09 PM »

these days its hard to tell, i seriously hope that we will come back to logical weights, not mass monsters only.
dexter was great (that kind of shape)......

affy · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2006, 08:56:40 PM »

Quote from: pobrecito on November 25, 2006, 08:52:32 PM

the average woman has wider clavicles than heath $:-\$

and yet he looks better than 99% of pro's today...sad isn't it

clavicle width is overrated...levrone had some of the smallest clavicles ever in a pro and he's won what...more shows than any other pro to date

heath will win

UpTheDosage · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2006, 08:58:52 PM »

Quote from: pobrecito on November 25, 2006, 08:52:32 PM

the average woman has wider clavicles than heath $:-\$

and your point is?

If that's the biggest problem that Phil has than I'd say he's gonna continue to do alright.

brianX · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2006, 09:19:54 PM »

Only if the judges pull their heads out of their asses.

Sami The Black-smith · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2006, 09:26:51 PM »

Yeah........ thats cool Subject

, coz in PDI you dont have to be THE BIGGEST TO BE THE BEST

i was 208 and Lee priest was around 205 i think and still we managed the show where there was guys around 260s and more with good shape!! but PDI reward the best athletes with (symmetry+condition+details+posing presentation) i am so Glad with PDI and i dont think in IFBB there will be the same Standard coz if it was we will see
1-Shawn ray 1 to 2 Mr. O
2-flex Wheeler 2 to 3 Mr.O
3-Kevin levrone 1 Mr.O
4- Lee Labrada 2 Mr. O

thats how i see it if they gonna be fair $:-\$ but as some one said its all up to WHAT THEY WANT (IFBB)

carvedoutofwood · « **Reply #19 on:** November 25, 2006, 09:44:05 PM »

Quote from: Sami The Black-smith on November 25, 2006, 09:26:51 PM

1-Shawn ray 1 to 2 Mr. O
2-flex Wheeler 2 to 3 Mr.O
3-Kevin levrone 1 Mr.O

ie- dorian 0 or 1.... ahha agreed... but a pro under 230 can win shows in the ifbb also, this thread concerns the olympia

... which the PDI doesnt have $:-\$ $:-\$

Quote from: affy on November 25, 2006, 08:56:40 PM

and yet he looks better than 99% of pro's today...sad isn't it

clavicle width is overrated...levrone had some of the smallest clavicles ever in a pro and he's won what...more shows than any other pro to date

heath will win

he did look better then 99% of pros today... but no ronnie has won more shows.... and ronnie has some if not the widest clavicles ever... not to mention your kinda proving his point, cause this thread is about WINNING the O... not winning other shows... kevin was great but his narrow clavicles held him from winning the O.... theres never been a narrow O

Slick Vic · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2006, 04:59:27 AM »

Ha! A Mr. Olympia under 230 lbs. in this day of age? That came and went years ago.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:40:08 AM »

Author Topic: Can a pro under 230lbs. win the Olympia? (Read 2595 times)

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