Costumes & Conduct in the Olympia

[GoneAway]

It's a bodybuilding contest- dancing isn't posing. Posing is flexing the muscles in ap articulr position- dancing is just moving your body along to the music. Transitions are fine, and should be included, but full out pop-and-lock?

There's no textbook way to pose. Popping and locking is flexing the muscles in different positions. See a Darrem Charles routine. He's flexing constantly. Either way, there shouldn't be a rule to tell people how to pose.

[onlyme]

I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.

Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.

Let the PDI look like clowns...

Didn't Coleman dress as something in last years O.  We are all proud of you for submitting this rull Chic.  Where would the IFBB be without you.

[jwb]

Gains cred with who?  Life is a lot less complicated when you stop trying to win the approval of other people.  Just ask Ted Haggard... Oh wait!  Nevermind! 

Seriously, it's not as if Lee in boots is driving people away from bodybuilding.  As both industry and spectacle, bodybuilding has its share of problems but costumes are not among them.  Some of you are taking this way too seriously.  We're talking about grown men in thongs posing to music to an audience of cheering men. 

gaining cred with the long term true fans who remember when going to a show was about muscle plain and simple...

[jwb]

CAN'T HELP YOURSELF WITH A PDI JAB...GOOD BOY NOW ROLL OVER BELLY RUB......GROW UP

have fun with the fairies over there lee... the PDI is positioning itself as the premier gay bbing federation as we speak...

[realkarateblackbelt]

I think costumes are kinda neat.

[Chick]

CAN'T HELP YOURSELF WITH A PDI JAB...GOOD BOY NOW ROLL OVER BELLY RUB......GROW UP

Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....

[MikeThaMachine]

Back in the day they didn't even get to choose music so as long as they can still do that it's fine with me. Thing I havn't been liking is in some contest you see more dancing then posing during the POSING routine, contumes also tend to cover up or draw attention away from the physique, I mean really Lee had a god damn "S" on his crotch with high boots, Kamali had forearm guards, Troy Alves a predator mask... where does it end with these stupid costumes.

[Saxon]

I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.

Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.

Let the PDI look like clowns...

Which athletes wanted this rule to be enforced?  Were there many who asked you to do this for them as athelete's rep?

[BayGBM]

gaining cred with the long term true fans who remember when going to a show was about muscle plain and simple...

The truth is those "long term true fans" don't matter in the sense that the industry depends on bringing in new (young) people not retaining old ones.  Sure there is a small percentage of maturing fans that will stay with the sport, but most old fans are expected to fade away (especially in terms of paying to attend shows and buying supplements).  Compare the number of 50 and 60 year olds at your gym with the number of teenagers and twentysomethings.

The industry depends on brining in new young people whom are naive enough to spend money on all the supplements and buy (literally) into the hype and entertainment.  Music is a part of that, as are costumes, and whatever else they can come up with.  They will continue to experiment until they find things that bring in new younger fans with money to spend.  Music was an experiment at one piont.  It worked and they kept it. Costumes are another experiment...

Longing for the good old days leaves you in the Iron age. And how many people do you see on ironage.us compared to getbig.com

[slaveboy1980]

Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....

i think chickobaba and lee need to do a workout together, but with extremely thick bars.

[Farkenell]

I should be happy about it...I'm the one who submitted to have the rules enforced on it.

Yes, it is in the rulebook, but as everyone knows...the rule has been softened up over the years.

Let the PDI look like clowns...

Good move Chick. I think the costumes ruin the presentation of shows. Ronnie dressed as Moses was just a joke, how can anyone take this sport seriously if athletes are going to dress up as terd burgulars. The NOC a few years back was also a joke with many athletes looking like guttertrash.

You dont see the lifters at the Olympics wearing costumes.

I think the athletes behaviour and attitude on stage meet a standard also. Toney Freeman at the Olympia approached the crowd with a scowl and a foul attitude in my opinion. He was looking at the crowd like they backed into his car.

[muscleforlife]

How can you compare Olympic lifters to BodyBuilders?

Two different animals.  Lifters are about power and strength.  BodyBuilding is about hypertrophy of the muscles.

Why again isn't bodybuilding in the Olympics?

Sandra

[BayGBM]

I think the athletes behaviour and attitude on stage meet a standard also. Toney Freeman at the Olympia approached the crowd with a scowl and a foul attitude in my opinion. He was looking at the crowd like they backed into his car.

Your complaint amounts to "I didn't like the expression on his face."   Are you serious?  Maybe you need a new hobby. 

[slaveboy1980]

bayGBM: what is your estimate of gay% at bodybuilding shows?

[MikeThaMachine]

Toney Freeman at the Olympia approached the crowd with a scowl and a foul attitude in my opinion. He was looking at the crowd like they backed into his car.

Would you prefer him running around jumping up and down with a smile on his face like Richard Simmons. Get real he is 6'2 almost 300lbs, I think he was just trying to look intimidating (note the double edged axe and executioners mask ) not like a 5'5 200lbs super man costume wearing guy we all know.

[logical?]

There's no textbook way to pose. Popping and locking is flexing the muscles in different positions. See a Darrem Charles routine. He's flexing constantly. Either way, there shouldn't be a rule to tell people how to pose.

I guess. I have no intelligent response to this.

So I'll just say, I don't like it and I think they should stick to more dignified posing routines 

[rockyfortune]

Anyone have a pic of Ronnie's Moses outfit at the 07 olympia?...looked like a 3rd grade christmas paegent costume...

[GoneAway]

Would you prefer him running around jumping up and down with a smile on his face like Richard Simmons. Get real he is 6'2 almost 300lbs, I think he was just trying to look intimidating (note the double edged axe and executioners mask ) not like a 5'5 200lbs super man costume wearing guy we all know.

That looks sick! I got no problem with something like that. It's only hiding a part of the inner chest and traps. Hey Mike, I take it you don't like Lee.

[BayGBM]

bayGBM: what is your estimate of gay% at bodybuilding shows?

That depends on how you define gay.  I see three groups:

•  guys that self identify as gay (they can be effeminate or regular dudes) and they are comfortable with themselves.

•  guys that engage in homsexual behavior but do not identify themselves as gay even though they regularly hook up with men. Think Ted Haggard--who still denys that he's gay.

•  guys that are deeply closeted, conflicted, never identify as gay, and wrestle with their identity for years.  They often hate openly gay men.  They may or may not engage in man to man contact or gay porn.  They satisfy their impulses with socially acceptable forms of homoeroticism--such as bodybuilding.

I think you’ll find all three among the fans of bodybuilding to different degrees.  As for entire percentage of all three?  Who can say?  I can say that without gay men, the sport of bodybuilding would not exist.

[DK II]

Thank god the costumes are gone.

Could you imagine Sergio Oliva in a Popeye costume or ...

[MikeThaMachine]

That looks sick! I got no problem with something like that. It's only hiding a part of the inner chest and traps. Hey Mike, I take it you don't like Lee.

Well I am not a big fan of him or his physique but he is a damn good BBer and doesn't show up looking like shit like other pros tend to do on ocassion, I just really thought his costume was boderline gay and not needed on an I.F.B.B. stage.

[bigtraps]

That’s why I stopped going to shows.  Got sick of the ‘gay fantasia’ costumes and the male stripper dancing.   

[Karl Kox]

I think what Ronnie did this past year was stupid.  Why did he get more time then anyone els.  and the whole Bruce buffer thing not cool.

[MAXX]

Grow up? You're the one dressing up like superman and you're telling ME to grow up?? lol....

lol nice comeback 

[nycbull]

That depends on how you define gay.  I see three groups:

•  guys that self identify as gay (they can be effeminate or regular dudes) and they are comfortable with themselves.

•  guys that engage in homosexual behavior but do not identify themselves as gay even though they regularly hook up with men. Think Ted Haggard--who still denys that he's gay.

•  guys that are deeply closeted, conflicted, never identify as gay, and wrestle with their identity for years.  They often hate openly gay men.  They may or may not engage in man to man contact or gay porn.  They satisfy their impulses with socially acceptable forms of homoeroticism--such as bodybuilding.

I think you’ll find all three among the fans of bodybuilding to different degrees.  As for entire percentage of all three?  Who can say?  I can say that without gay men, the sport of bodybuilding would not exist.

agree with the first two, but don't think the third exists as you describe. I think there are a small percentage of hetero men who still need strong male role models to emulate and admire, because they were neglected/ignored in one way or another from Dad,  but I do not think they have any significant gay sexual impulses that would categorize then as gay. Their anger and homophobia is a related to Dads neglect and phsycological "castration". Leaving them never feeling like real men. They hate that part of themselves thus hate anything perceived as "gay" or less than manly.

Also don't agree that the sport would not exists without gays, that is an overly self important gay centric point of view.