Obama Used Cocaine AND Marijuana

[Brixtonbulldog]

Security holes? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The plane to which Carter refers was an aircraft chartered by the Saudi government in the days after the terrorist attacks. The individuals were two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's extended family who had been living in the United States. Saying they were afraid that family members might suffer retribution in the U.S., the Saudis asked for American assistance in getting them out of the country. With the help of the FBI, the Saudis and the bin Laden family chartered an aircraft to pick up family members in Los Angeles, Orlando, and Washington, D.C. The bin Laden plane then flew the relatives to Boston, where — one week after the attacks — the group left Logan Airport bound for Jeddah.

But the bin Ladens did not have to worry about that. While FBI agents looked into bin Laden family members in the Boston area immediately after September 11, it appears that the agents' first chance to interview them — or other family members who lived elsewhere in the country — came on the day they left the U.S. Each family member was given the all-clear on the basis of a single, day-of-departure interview — conducted, in Bill Carter's words, "at the airport, as they were about to leave."

So he let his family leave... any profiler can see they weren't fucking terrorists.  I wonder how long it had been since he had even spoken with his family. 

Even in a worst case mistakes will be made.  Big difference between mistakes and blind ignorance.

[kh300]

osama's family had disowned him decades ago.. plus the cia new exactly who osama was before the attacks,, they new exactly who his family was.. they didnt need to interrogate the family when they had been watching them in the past. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

osama's family had disowned him decades ago.. plus the cia new exactly who osama was before the attacks,, they new exactly who his family was.. they didnt need to interrogate the family when they had been watching them in the past. 

There you have it folks.

[kh300]

what the hells your point,, if they wanted to leave the country they have the right to do that,, you cant arrest somebody with no evidence. besides that the fbi and the cia are completely different organizations.

[Wombat]

This won't hurt him at all but when everyone finds out he has a couple children with 2 different white mothers, that may be a different story... At the very least, he will lose the female black vote...

[OzmO]

Still terrorism by the same org. aimed at americans and westerners alike.

Only difference is severity.

Your downplaying it just to try and win an argument without taking it for what it is.

No i'm not doing that at all.

Saddam wasn;t a terrorist.  He was a aggressive dictator. There's a differnce. 

By your standards we should be in about 6 wars invading 6 countries right now because of potential threats. 

You have to seperate the dregree of each threat and deal with it accordingly.

Hitler had already over ran europe and was on the door step to moscow.

Where was saddam?  In his hole.

Monster difference.

Aghanistan openingly supported Al Queda and Terrorists.....  appropiate action was to do what we did.

Saddam was just a 2-bit dictator in a poor run down country with a outdated incompetent army. 

[OzmO]

Saddam wasn;t a terrorist.  He was a aggressive dictator. There's a differnce. 

This might be the most telling thing of all. 



My only argument there, oz, is about afghanistan - the taleban reportedly warned us on Sept 8.  (Taleban were religious pricks - but not terrorists.)

Then, immediately after 9/11 when bush started his "anyone who harbors evildoers will die too" rants, the Taleban offered up OBL, if the US could give evidence.  Or, they would give him to the Hauge or a world court, if the US had no evidence, to make sure they weren't just sending him to his death for something he couldn't logistically pull off.

The US - which openly wanted to put a pipeline in afg. but were refused by taleban 2 months earlier, decided it would be ... um... more fun? .... to start a 5 year war there, instead of letting Osama be tnred over to the world courts.  Alternatively, he would have been turned over to the FBI - if the US would show evidence which we claimed we had.

Ok some questions about this.

The taliban had to know the US was hungry for vengence.  Why not just offer up Osama to save their asses for the greater good?

Also too, weren;t the taliban already openly supporting terrorism with camps all over their country in years prior?

Wouldn't it have been politcally savy to offer Osama up as a gesture of good will in helping the US and challange/spin the teorror camps in the world stage of politics?

[headhuntersix]

The CIA or FBI are under no obligation to tell any reporter how they do business or whether they had the Bin Laden family under investigation/surveillance prior to 911. I think some of u guys would like to have evything this government does out in the open.  YOu all complain about wire taps and intrusive law enforcement but how about nut bag Janet Reno and Ruby Ridge/Waco..The dems are much more a threat to our guns then the Repubs.....The average leftist moron thinks anybody who owns a gun is to stupid to own one.

[headhuntersix]

Well we're all back to proof..who was on the plane...are the hijackers alive.. I of course think ur nuts but I'm not arguing that again. We don't tell the press what our SOF units are doing. We're not going to be forthcoming with the media especially right after 911. 

[G o a t b o y]

Obama Used Cocaine AND Marijuana

So what?  So have I.   So has our current President.  As long as Obama's not snorting lines off some 16-year-old page's ass on the Senate floor, who gives a fucck? 

[Brixtonbulldog]

No i'm not doing that at all.

Saddam wasn;t a terrorist.  He was a aggressive dictator. There's a differnce. 

How bout harboring terrorism?  Duh.

By your standards we should be in about 6 wars invading 6 countries right now because of potential threats. 

You have to seperate the dregree of each threat and deal with it accordingly.

We did.  We are.

Hitler had already over ran europe and was on the door step to moscow.

Where was saddam?  In his hole.

You wanna wait until he completely re-armed and then invaded another country?  Or until the terrorists he was supporting murdered a few more thousand people?

[Brixtonbulldog]

Saddam wasn;t a terrorist.  He was a aggressive dictator. There's a differnce. 

This might be the most telling thing of all. 

He was a murderous tyrant. 

My only argument there, oz, is about afghanistan - the taleban reportedly warned us on Sept 8.  (Taleban were religious pricks - but not terrorists.)

Sure they did.  We get thousands of "warnings" all the time from all kinds of whackos.

Then, immediately after 9/11 when bush started his "anyone who harbors evildoers will die too" rants, the Taleban offered up OBL, if the US could give evidence.  Or, they would give him to the Hauge or a world court, if the US had no evidence, to make sure they weren't just sending him to his death for something he couldn't logistically pull off.

Intel overwhelmingly pointed to him.  We don't answer to the Taliban.  Nor can we depend on them to do what we want or act in our best interests.  Supposing this scenario you present is even remotely true.. do you honestly think we can trust the fucking taliban? Lol.

The US - which openly wanted to put a pipeline in afg. but were refused by taleban 2 months earlier, decided it would be ... um... more fun? .... to start a 5 year war there, instead of letting Osama be tnred over to the world courts.  Alternatively, he would have been turned over to the FBI - if the US would show evidence which we claimed we had.

Yeah we went to war for fun.  okay.

Osama didn't attack the "world" so why would he have to answer to the "world."  If we left anything to this "world" our interests would go down the fucking toilet.

[Mr. Intenseone]

wrong.  Allow me to own you:


Asked by National Review whether the FBI had conducted a full and thorough investigation of all the family members before allowing them to go, Carter repeated his earlier statement: "The FBI had an opportunity to interview the individuals on that plane, and we were satisfied with the information they provided." Asked again, he said the same thing. "Unless you have evidence to stop them from leaving the country, they have every right to do that," Carter explained. "The bin Laden family is very large, and for the most part are involved in legitimate enterprises. The fact of the matter is that because of September 11, some of these individuals felt it would be better to leave the country. They have every right to do that."

But some law-enforcement experts found the abbreviated investigation puzzling. "That's highly unusual, and they could not have done a thorough and complete interview," said John L. Martin, the former chief of internal security for the Justice Department. "It was obvious at the time that the Bureau did not have the kind of intelligence to know who was behind [the September 11 attacks], how they were financed, and what the U.S. connections might have been." Also, Martin said, "It is an absolute rule of law enforcement that the agent or officers conducting the interviews control the interview, and that the persons of interest, suspects, or prospective defendants do not set the ground rules for the interview."

In addition, it is a routine law-enforcement practice to question — sometimes repeatedly and in great detail — family members of suspects in murder cases. Investigators do not usually presume that a relative has no connection or knowledge of a crime; instead, they usually conduct an investigation to make sure the relatives can be eliminated as suspects or witnesses. While that is going on, the instincts of law enforcement are normally to freeze all potential suspects and witnesses in place until the investigation has reached some conclusions.

What raises even more questions about the FBI's handling of the bin Ladens is that in the days immediately after the attack, law-enforcement agencies were nearly overwhelmed by the task of unraveling the plot and uncovering al Qaeda's complex worldwide financial network. Investigators were still trying to retrace the hijackers' steps and learn who might have assisted them along the way. They were also facing the enormous job of trying to uncover any other terrorist cells that might be in the country. The FBI in particular was almost back on its heels, suffering from (it was revealed later) a lack of communication between its various offices about key evidence in the case.

And the bin Ladens seemed an obvious choice for intensive investigation. Most press accounts of the family state flatly that the relatives are estranged from Osama bin Laden and condemn his work. But bin Laden has more than 50 siblings, and it is perhaps overly optimistic to think that every single one of them not only does not approve of his actions but also has no knowledge of his support and financing. Besides, there are several published reports that suggest otherwise.

In October 2001, ABC News interviewed a sister-in-law of Osama bin Laden, who was asked whether bin Laden family members had given money to Osama. "I don't know that," Carmen bin Laden answered, "but my opinion is yes . . . I think they would say, okay, this is — for Islam they would give. You know, for Islam they would give." Carmen bin Laden is the estranged wife of Osama bin Laden's brother Yeslam, who runs the Saudi Investment Company in Switzerland. Family friends have contradicted her account, but in March of this year, French police searched Yeslam bin Laden's villa in Cannes, reportedly looking for evidence of terrorism-related money laundering involving the Saudi Investment Company. Swiss police also searched other properties connected to the firm

What is this source from?

[Mr. Intenseone]

LOL liberals used to rip on Bush for personal shit.

Now he has a nice resume of screwed up professional shit they can rag on him for.

I like how you empisized the word "used" to rip on Bush, like I said yesterday, they lied to win the election, now that they are in....no more ripping, now this is where I have a problem with the Republican party, the crap they ripped us for makes the republican party look like boy scouts, our problem is we never called them out on anything and I promise if we would have called them out on issues we would have won damn near by a landslide war or not, but since we didn't stoop to their mudslinging level...we lost, they didn't win on issues, they won on lies!!

[Brixtonbulldog]

I like how you empisized the word "used" to rip on Bush, like I said yesterday, they lied to win the election, now that they are in....no more ripping, now this is where I have a problem with the Republican party, the crap they ripped us for makes the republican party look like boy scouts, our problem is we never called them out on anything and I promise if we would have called them out on issues we would have won damn near by a landslide war or not, but since we didn't stoop to their mudslinging level...we lost, they didn't win on issues, they won on lies!!

I agree.  Repubs consistently failed to play the game of politics that liberals used against them.  They fail to do what is necassary.

[Dos Equis]

And, since some of the hijackers have turned up alive in Europe - well - I sure am curious about who all was on that flight

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[Brixtonbulldog]

Bwahahahahahahahaha!     The 240 comedy hour.  Coming to a stage near you.   

Wow.  240.. you don't honestly believe that do you?

[Brixtonbulldog]

the head of the FBI said we may never know the true identities of some of the terrorists.

Wow, I wish you would do your research before you mocked me.

Some of the terrorists have been interviewed by newspapers over there, holding up the same passports the FBI said were used to board those planes.  One guys is a saudi pilot, said 9/11 nearly ruined his career and the FBI has no interest in clearing up the confusion.

Wait, your CO didn't tell you that?

Ok lemme "research" baloney.

you're a rediculus person and I honestly think you're borderline retarded for believing this shit

[Brixtonbulldog]

The BBC interviewed a few of the guys.  FBI responded by saying they didn't know who all the terrorists were, and will probably never know.

You haven't researched this, but it's pretty common knowledge.  Despite the "ironclad intel and DNA" we had on 9/12, turns out a few of the blokes are happily living overseas.

I'm not making this up - and the FBI confirmed it.

Sure they are... and the FBI only confirmed that there were more guys involved.  The official story still stands.

[Camel Jockey]

I like how you empisized the word "used" to rip on Bush, like I said yesterday, they lied to win the election, now that they are in....no more ripping, now this is where I have a problem with the Republican party, the crap they ripped us for makes the republican party look like boy scouts, our problem is we never called them out on anything and I promise if we would have called them out on issues we would have won damn near by a landslide war or not, but since we didn't stoop to their mudslinging level...we lost, they didn't win on issues, they won on lies!!

What issue would they win for you idiot? They're supposed to be fiscally conservative, which they're not. They're supposed to be for limited government involvement, which they're not.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I wanna know just how repubs could have won in a landslide but didn't....

seemed like they tried every trick they had.

weird they would honorably give up congress.

what ISSUES did they avoid which would have convinced a landslide of Americans to change their anti-war opinions?

They didn't adopt the same cutthroat tactics of charachter smearing to the degree that the dems did.  That's a big one.

If they had released some classified information that would have had a drastic effect... but you can't do that.

There's so much more they could've done and didn't.  They sat and just assumed residual effects from the attacks would carry them. 

All in all, they were stupid and didn't get thier asses in gear.

[Brixtonbulldog]

No, I want some fvcking examples.

What "cutthroat" tactics did the dems use?

Have you missed the daggers heaved at the conservatives (esp. Bush) by the dems since Clinton?  Name calling, personal slander, and character assasination are tools used much more commonly and effectively by the left.  They've only gotten worse, of course.  Not to mention a very effective use of the media against conservatives.

[muscleforlife]

Have you missed the daggers heaved at the conservatives (esp. Bush) by the dems since Clinton?  Name calling, personal slander, and character assasination are tools used much more commonly and effectively by the left.  They've only gotten worse, of course.  Not to mention a very effective use of the media against conservatives.

The Dems are Repubs use the same lowlife tactics.  Foley, Delay, Abramoff and company put the nail in the coffin for the repubs.

What ever happened to running on principals and how you would solve the countries problems?
Now it is better to mudsling on both sides.

TEQ

[Brixtonbulldog]

I'm asking you, again, for specific examples.

"Cutthroat tactics" - please list.

The last few are the best.  And the next time I ask you some direct questions you owe me the answers next time.

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/11/psychology-of-bush-hatred.html

http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=320

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15537

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200408130813.asp

http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2005/06/on-bush-hatred-and-its-causes.html

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/087227.htm

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,485769,00.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/23/opinion/main631543.shtml

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=1368

And check out this site... very eye opening.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/

[Brixtonbulldog]

I am FLOORED that people believe the republicans lost because 'they didn't play dirty like the dems did'.

I mean, floored.

I'm floored by 90% of what you must have been ignoring for the last 7 years.

Please list the cutthroat tricks that repubs didn't use that dems did.
Also, please tell us why the population cited iraq as the #1 reason they voted dem.

Because the american people have the attention span of a flea and the backbone of an ant.  Because if a democrat had been in office and not bush we probably would have been attacked many more times and everyone would be crying for revenge.  Apparently we need constant reminders that we actually have to fight people that want to kill us but when a president is successful at responding to an attack and ALSO successful at preventing many more everyone seems to forget that there are murderous people out there.