A Different Picture of The War

[Colossus_500]

We don't hear about stories like this in the news:

Here is a tough, but heartwarming story and a picture of John Gebhardt in Iraq:

John's wife, Mindy, related that this little girl's entire family was executed. The insurgents intended to execute her also and shot her in the head but they failed to kill her.  She was cared for by John's hospital and is healing up, but has been crying and moaning. The nurses said John is the only one who seems to calm her down, so John has spent the last four nights holding her while they both sleep in that chair. The girl is coming along with her healing.

[sandycoosworth]

dont forget colossus were it not for the US invasion this girls family would never have been killed ...

[Dos Equis]

Beautiful.  There are many stories like this, but you won't see the media highlighting too many of them.  

[a_joker10]

dont forget colossus were it not for the US invasion this girls family would never have been killed ...

Actually if they spoke out against Saddam they probably would have been killed.

[Dos Equis]

Actually if they spoke out against Saddam they probably would have been killed.

Probably tortured and then killed. 

[sandycoosworth]

Actually if they spoke out against Saddam they probably would have been killed.

seeing as they survived saddams reign this is a stupid comment

[240 is Back]

for every story like this, there are probably 655,000 not-so-good ones...



besides, is this soldier going to take her home?  looks like a nice news piece.  the wounded girl gets 4 days of comfort from a foreigner she can't understand.  Much more useful than say, her LIVING parents.

[Hugo Chavez]

dont forget colossus were it not for the US invasion this girls family would never have been killed ...

ditto that...

[a_joker10]

seeing as they survived saddams reign this is a stupid comment

Umm...
That was 4 years ago and you were comparing how they would be living if Saddam was still in power.

Who knows what Saddam would have done if sanctions were lifted.

[240 is Back]

Umm...
That was 4 years ago and you were comparing how they would be living if Saddam was still in power.

Who knows what Saddam would have done if sanctions were lifted.

What was the average number of Iraqis killed per year under sadaam?
What was the average number of Iraqis killed since the US declared victory?

D'OH!

[sandycoosworth]

What was the average number of Iraqis killed per year under sadaam?
What was the average number of Iraqis killed since the US declared victory?

D'OH!

its as if hes putting his hands over his ears and singing youre friggen national anthem

[a_joker10]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5773
Over 1 million people were killed under Saddam.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
52560  to 58145 civilians

Do some research first.

[240 is Back]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5773
Over 1 million people were killed under Saddam.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
52560  to 58145 civilians

Do some research first.

That makes it over 50,000 people a year under sadaam.

Deaths under the US have been estimated at between 50k and 650k.

Was your choosing the absolute LEAST number a tactic to win this argument?

Better yet, do you seriously fooking believe that only 58,145 civvies have been killed since we invaded?  Also, how classify you a civvie from an insurgent when we just machine gun fields of people?  

[sandycoosworth]

keep in mind that the million people was a very highball estimate and included 100 000 killed in the amreekan bombing campaigns and 3-500 thousand killed in the iran iraq war

one would think if saddam was offing 50k people a year we would have heard alot about it in the leadup to the war and found lots of mass graves ... instead we heard about 15 year old massacres and the antics of his screwball kids

he was convicted of killing what 150 men and boys in retaliation for an assassination attempt

[Colossus_500]

Probably tortured and then killed. 

In that very order too. 

[sandycoosworth]

In that very order too. 

lol

[a_joker10]

keep in mind that the million people was a very highball estimate and included 100 000 killed in the amreekan bombing campaigns and 3-500 thousand killed in the iran iraq war

one would think if saddam was offing 50k people a year we would have heard alot about it in the leadup to the war and found lots of mass graves ... instead we heard about 15 year old massacres and the antics of his screwball kids

he was convicted of killing what 150 men and boys in retaliation for an assassination attempt

He had more trials coming up though, including gassing Kurds.

[Colossus_500]

for every story like this, there are probably 655,000 not-so-good ones...

At least that's what our media would have you believe.  

besides, is this soldier going to take her home?  looks like a nice news piece.  the wounded girl gets 4 days of comfort from a foreigner she can't understand.  Much more useful than say, her LIVING parents.

The body language in that picture is universal, bro.  Love knows no boundaries.  

[Dos Equis]

At least that's what our media would have you believe.  
The body language in that picture is universal, bro.  Love knows no boundaries.  

It's not an unusual moment at all Colossus.  One of my buddies works in the medical field on the ground in Iraq and they spend a lot of time treating Iraqis.  You won't be reading about him on CNN.  Unless of course he happens to be charged with some kind of war crime.

Amazing that people resist any good news about the war or our soldiers.       

[240 is Back]

He had more trials coming up though, including gassing Kurds.

you're incredibly naive if you didn't think RUmmy, Bush, Cheney, and others were a little antsy about that trial.

Like, why was rummy there shaking hands the same week he gassed them?

Who gave him the WMD to gas his folks back then?

You were going to find USA fingerprints all over it. 

Do you dispute this, joker?

[a_joker10]

you're incredibly naive if you didn't think RUmmy, Bush, Cheney, and others were a little antsy about that trial.

Like, why was rummy there shaking hands the same week he gassed them?

Who gave him the WMD to gas his folks back then?

You were going to find USA fingerprints all over it. 

Do you dispute this, joker?

The US gave Saddam the precursors for chemical weapons.

However,
If you give your neighbor a gun and he shoots your dog, are you responsible for killing your dog?

[OzmO]

The US gave Saddam the precursors for chemical weapons.

However,
If you give your neighbor a gun and he shoots your dog, are you responsible for killing your dog?

well if you didn't have the balls to shot the dog yourself.........

[240 is Back]

The US gave Saddam the precursors for chemical weapons.

However,
If you give your neighbor a gun and he shoots your dog, are you responsible for killing your dog?

Precursors? 

Please explain.

I was under the impression we sold him completed weapons.

What is this "precursors"?

[sandycoosworth]

The US gave Saddam the precursors for chemical weapons.

However,
If you give your neighbor a gun and he shoots your dog, are you responsible for killing your dog?

i hope you are not naive enough to think that the US gave him support without an agenda of their own; they knew exactly what he was going to do with those weapons and who he was going to do them to

[a_joker10]

Precursors? 

Please explain.

I was under the impression we sold him completed weapons.

What is this "precursors"?

Precursors are the entities used to make chemical weapons.

It is like selling a centrifuge to a nation wanting nuclear technology.
Without them they can't build them.

http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=5087

It is like the fish and fishing theory of warfare.
You can give a man a gun and he can shoot it until the bullets run out, or you can teach him how to build bullet and he can shoot all day and you don't have to look bad because you never gave him a bullet.