short video about ejected debris

[sandycoosworth]

4 tonne steel girders were found 600 feet away from the base of the WTC ...

this clip shows the different ejection speeds necessary to cause this based on steel from different heights in the tower ... even ifthe steel came from the top it still needs to be ejected at 50mph ... can air bursting out of a building do that to 4 tonnes of steel?

[ToxicAvenger]

thats the idea jim..keep em no more than 5 mins and they might watch...

[sandycoosworth]

another video touching on the debris subject

youll notice in all the pictures ofthe collapse that the chunks of metal weighing several thousand pounds were thrown much further than the dust clouds as the building falls ....hmmmmmmmmm

[Mr. Intenseone]

240's got you guys brainwashed!

[sandycoosworth]

i was into the conspiracy shit before 240 got on board

[ToxicAvenger]

240's got you guys brainwashed!

lemme guess man..you didn't watch the vid..and you r not gonna watch the one i made a thread about..i'd like you r watch and give me an opinion..the one i posted..i'd like a honest opinion....but you cant watch it..you refuse to watch it..it scares ya..

[a_joker10]

Information spread by people that don't know all of the facts.
There are four posters on here that post whore the same videos and topics.

Look hire an expert on structural engineering and materials, have them go over your information, then post it.
Otherwise your information is crap.

People that believe a conjecture supported by not one member of a related scientific community or organization are crazy.

It is easy to explain how objects were thrown away from the building, but simple answers do not satisfy you.

But if you want to do an experiment at home, make a tall tower out of Popsicle sticks and then drop a bowling ball on it. Pieces will go everywhere.

[ToxicAvenger]

alright buddy..

is this also wrong??

do tell..

[a_joker10]

alright buddy..

is this also wrong??

do tell..

This video is part of the story.
The hijackers were on the plane as was confirmed by eye witness accounts at the airport, and other documents.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm

[sandycoosworth]

This video is part of the story.
The hijackers were on the plane as was confirmed by eye witness accounts at the airport, and other documents.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm

just like the eye witness accounts that confirmed explosions happening all over the building right ... oh wait, eye witness accounts only mean somehting when they back up what you believe

you are the inconsistant one, and your experts in the 911 commission and NIST did a half assed job with shaddy testing, had you taken the time to watch kevin ryans painful deceptions you would know that

[sandycoosworth]

to be more specific, the test that was used to show fireproofing was dislodged involved firing a shotgun at mock fireproofed steel

the tests being used to show the floors gave way involved putting twice as much weight on them for twice as long and pumping in extra oxygen to super heat the fires ... these results still werent good enough to prove what they wanted so they came up with computer generated models

so much for your experts...

[a_joker10]

just like the eye witness accounts that confirmed explosions happening all over the building right ... oh wait, eye witness accounts only mean somehting when they back up what you believe

you are the inconsistant one, and your experts in the 911 commission and NIST did a half assed job with shaddy testing, had you taken the time to watch kevin ryans painful deceptions you would know that

No, I am not inconsistent, There were far more people that had different observations then an exploding building.

Plus eyewitness accounts, expert testimony and DNA evidence all proved who the conspirators were.

The NIST reports are the best reports so far and include a wide cross section of people and witnesses, including over 1000 eyewitnesses an experts.

You don't believe in them and instead listen to Kevin Ryan. I already read his letter and he didn't work in structural testing. He in fact was wrong on many things including the testing procedures performed for structural steel.

[OzmO]

No, I am not inconsistent, There were far more people that had different observations then an exploding building.

Plus eyewitness accounts, expert testimony and DNA evidence all proved who the conspirators were.

The NIST reports are the best reports so far and include a wide cross section of people and witnesses, including over 1000 eyewitnesses an experts.

You don't believe in them and instead listen to Kevin Ryan. I already read his letter and he didn't work in structural testing. He in fact was wrong on many things including the testing procedures performed for structural steel.

This is kind of what i'm talking about.........very few people with suspect credibility think the WTC's were brought down by explosives.

BUT, vitually no one with credibility is saying the findings of the report are impossible.

That's why from the stand point of a non-scientists i believe they were brought down as they say it was.

[a_joker10]

to be more specific, the test that was used to show fireproofing was dislodged involved firing a shotgun at mock fireproofed steel

the tests being used to show the floors gave way involved putting twice as much weight on them for twice as long and pumping in extra oxygen to super heat the fires ... these results still werent good enough to prove what they wanted so they came up with computer generated models

so much for your experts...

NIST reports.
http://wtc.nist.gov/reports_october05.htm

your wrong about a great many details.
1st test was used to show how much energy it would take to remove he fire proofing.
2nd test was used to find the failure rate of the steel. This was to confirm the yield strength of the steel and the temperature required for the steel to fail.

Third the model was used to explain the failure mechanism. The model proved that the building failed because of a progressive collapse.

The test performed individual function and were not used to over rule each other.
That is why the Scientific community backs up NIST, because they performed such compete testing .

Take a structures class, they do testing like this all of the time.

[sandycoosworth]

There were far more people that had different observations then an exploding building.

i think you mean there were far more accounts that were acknowledged, over 500 fire/emt and police said there were explosions all over the building and they were put under a gag order (not suspicios )

Plus eyewitness accounts, expert testimony and DNA evidence all proved who the conspirators were.

the list of terrorists was available by 9/12 so there goes your DNA theory and since the BBC reported 9/19 were still alive the FBI admitted that we will never know the exact identities of many of the hijackerrs

as for eye witness accounts see above

The NIST reports are the best reports so far and include a wide cross section of people and witnesses, including over 1000 eyewitnesses an experts.

again, full of reports and witnesses that backed the conclusion they started with and ignoring the rest

i suppose the words independant investigation are lost on you

You don't believe in them and instead listen to Kevin Ryan. I already read his letter and he didn't work in structural testing. He in fact was wrong on many things including the testing procedures performed for structural steel.

underwriters lab... kept changing their story about what testing they actually did .. .so your beef should be with the management there and not him

http://www.jonhs.net/911/kevin_ryan_new_standard_for_deception.htm

[sandycoosworth]

NIST reports.
http://wtc.nist.gov/reports_october05.htm

your wrong about a great many details.
1st test was used to show how much energy it would take to remove he fire proofing.

how am i wrong, i said the test was used to show fireproofing was dislodged

2nd test was used to find the failure rate of the steel. This was to confirm the yield strength of the steel and the temperature required for the steel to fail.

thanks professor ... the point of me bringing it up was that they changed the paramaters to achieve their desired results ... a scientist like yourself should know thats not very scientific

Third the model was used to explain the failure mechanism. The model proved that the building failed because of a progressive collapse.

again, this was a model that kept changing the variables till they got a simulation that looked like it fit ... aside from the fact that its an irrefutable black box

lets keep in mind that even if it its scientifically possible for the buildings to have collapsed on their own doesnt mean thats the way it went down

check the kevin ryan video

http://www.jonhs.net/911/kevin_ryan_new_standard_for_deception.htm

[a_joker10]

i think you mean there were far more accounts that were acknowledged, over 500 fire/emt and police said there were explosions all over the building and they were put under a gag order (not suspicios )

the list of terrorists was available by 9/12 so there goes your DNA theory and since the BBC reported 9/19 were still alive the FBI admitted that we will never know the exact identities of most of the hijackerrs

as for eye witness accounts see above

again, full of reports and witnesses that backed the conclusion they started with and ignoring the rest

i suppose the words independant investigation are lost on you

underwriters lab... kept changing their story about what testing they actually did .. .so your beef should be with the management there and not him

http://www.jonhs.net/911/kevin_ryan_new_standard_for_deception.htm

I am not going through all of these again, but there were no gag orders put in place from the fire fighter or the police officers about the mechanism of the building collapse or anything else.
The 9-11 tapes were gaged, but have since been released.

Most eyewitness agree with the 9-11 commission and NIST.

[sandycoosworth]

I am not going through all of these again, but there were no gag orders put in place from the fire fighter or the police officers about the mechanism of the building collapse or anything else.
The 9-11 tapes were gaged, but have since been released.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html

[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me. 

so youre wrong...

Most eyewitness agree with the 9-11 commission and NIST.

a statement pulled directy from your ass

[a_joker10]

how am i wrong, i said the test was used to show fireproofing was dislodged

thanks professor ... the point of me bringing it up was that they changed the paramaters to achieve their desired results ... a scientist like yourself should know thats not very scientific

again, this was a model that kept changing the variables till they got a simulation that looked like it fit ... aside from the fact that its an irrefutable black box

lets keep in mind that even if it its scientifically possible for the buildings to have collapsed on their own doesnt mean thats the way it went down

check the kevin ryan video

http://www.jonhs.net/911/kevin_ryan_new_standard_for_deception.htm

Kevin Ryan is not an expert in structures and I view all of his work with a great amount of suspicion.

Your knowledge of the model is factually incorrect and you don't understand testing.

The way steel is tested is to take it up past it yield point and then increase the weight until it fails. The testing was to compare the steel with the ASTM ratings.
http://wtc.nist.gov/oct05NCSTAR1-6index.htm

It would be almost physically impossible to place weight on those beams equal to the weight of the supporting structure. They would have had to use hydraulic presses.

The temperature investigation s actually part of NIST 1-5.
http://wtc.nist.gov/oct05NCSTAR1-5index.htm

Your analysis of how the reports were combined and written is false and if you are basing you analysis from Kevin Ryan he should actually read the reports and methodology.

[a_joker10]

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html


so youre wrong...


a statement pulled directy from your ass

Because 1 guy didn't want to speak out didn't mean there were gag orders, look at how many did and most are still fire fighters.

The 9-11 commission report is based and NIST reports are based on eyewitness testimony and most agreed with their findings, making what I wrote true.

[sandycoosworth]

had you watched kevin ryans video you would know that NIST tweaked the variables to make their tests work ... therefore they are useless

again, watch the video
http://www.jonhs.net/911/kevin_ryan_new_standard_for_deception.htm

hes alot more articulate and detailed than you

[a_joker10]

had you watched kevin ryans video you would know that NIST tweaked the variables to make their tests work ... therefore they are useless

again, watch the video
http://www.jonhs.net/911/kevin_ryan_new_standard_for_deception.htm

hes alot more articulate and detailed than you

Kevin Ryan is an expert is SAP modeling and materials testing even though he worked as an environmental scientist.
He must have had the wrong calling.

I will stick by the NIST reports until a better scientist them him comes forward, hopefully someone with at least a little structural background.

[sandycoosworth]

Because 1 guy didn't want to speak out didn't mean there were gag orders, look at how many did and most are still fire fighters.

The 9-11 commission report is based and NIST reports are based on eyewitness testimony and most agreed with their findings, making what I wrote true.

actually because one guy said there were gag orders there were gag orders

had you gone through that page you would see other firemen had similar frustrations, case in point:

[Firefighter Louie] Cacchioli was called to testify privately [before the 9/11 Commission], but walked out on several members of the committee before they finished, feeling like he was being interrogated and cross-examined rather than simply allowed to tell the truth about what occurred in the north tower on 9/11. "My story was never mentioned in the final report [PDF download] and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out. ... It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible." [Arctic Beacon]

and for your edification



do you see the smoke rising from the bottom of tower 2 .... i bet that was from potential energy right

[sandycoosworth]

Kevin Ryan is an expert is SAP modeling and materials testing even though he worked as an environmental scientist.
He must have had the wrong calling.

I will stick by the NIST reports until a better scientist them him comes forward, hopefully someone with at least a little structural background.

you are afraid to watch his video

[sandycoosworth]

another video with an explosion

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.1.fire.smoke.below.wmv