clear as day, 2 North Tower explosions caught on tape

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He won't allow another university to test or review his findings?

That speaks volumes.  

yeah, because he currently holds something which COULD be objectively tested and prove an inside job, and who made the explosives.

But if he turns it over to a univ lab to check it, do you seriously believe there is a zero percent chance there wouldn't be an "accident" of some kind?   I wouldn't give it to some stranger with a mortgage to pay either.

[a_joker10]

yeah, because he currently holds something which COULD be objectively tested and prove an inside job, and who made the explosives.

But if he turns it over to a univ lab to check it, do you seriously believe there is a zero percent chance there wouldn't be an "accident" of some kind?   I wouldn't give it to some stranger with a mortgage to pay either.

He wouldn't even let BYU review it. The people that were paying him and giving him the lab space where he performed his tests. He quit before he would even let them to a peer review of his report.

[OzmO]

yeah, because he currently holds something which COULD be objectively tested and prove an inside job, and who made the explosives.

But if he turns it over to a univ lab to check it, do you seriously believe there is a zero percent chance there wouldn't be an "accident" of some kind?   I wouldn't give it to some stranger with a mortgage to pay either.

He could do a bunch of stuff to insure that wouldn't happen:

-  split the sample
-  Live broad cast (local or network news)
-  Be present at the testing
-  3rd and 4th party obsevers to insure no funny biz

etc....


Another question he might be afraid to answer is:  how did he come into possesion fo military grade thermite?

[240 is Back]

NIST has lost all credibility dude.  Have you seen the background of the guy who was appointed to hear the NIST investigation right aftr 9/11? LMAO...



The position of NIST director is a presidential appointment. Bement, 69, was nominated by President Bush on Oct. 23, 2001, to be the 12th director of the agency. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/n01-06.htm

LOL @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arden_L._Bement_Jr.

Guy worked for Deprt of Defense/DARPA, then went into pvt sector for a defense contractor TRW til 92.

He completely fell off the map for a few years (planning something big, eh? )

Returned to be Bush's personal choice for NIST director, following 9/11.



yeah, I think he's not the guy who would be the most willing to blow the whistle on Bush and the military spenders, seeing as he spent his life working for them.  What a f'king sham.




LOL - TRW Inc. was active in the early development of missile systems and spacecraft.

yeah, i totally wouldn't be surprised if the missile which hit the pentagon then was carried off had a nice TRW stamp on it's ass.

[OzmO]

You know 240, 


this guy is looking more and more like a crack pot who whoring himself for $10,000 a speaking engagement.

You have 1000's of scientists and this is the most credibile guy the "movement" has come up with?

This is among many of the reasons i wasn't convienced of a 9/11 inside job theory.

[sandycoosworth]

He could do a bunch of stuff to insure that wouldn't happen:

-  split the sample
-  Live broad cast (local or network news)
-  Be present at the testing
-  3rd and 4th party obsevers to insure no funny biz

etc....


Another question he might be afraid to answer is:  how did he come into possesion fo military grade thermite?

u can get thermite on ebay ... dont know if it would be military grade

[OzmO]

NIST has lost all credibility dude.  Have you seen the background of the guy who was appointed to hear the NIST investigation right aftr 9/11? LMAO...



The position of NIST director is a presidential appointment. Bement, 69, was nominated by President Bush on Oct. 23, 2001, to be the 12th director of the agency. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/n01-06.htm

LOL @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arden_L._Bement_Jr.

Guy worked for Deprt of Defense/DARPA, then went into pvt sector for a defense contractor TRW til 92.

He completely fell off the map for a few years (planning something big, eh? )

Returned to be Bush's personal choice for NIST director, following 9/11.



yeah, I think he's not the guy who would be the most willing to blow the whistle on Bush and the military spenders, seeing as he spent his life working for them.  What a f'king sham.




LOL - TRW Inc. was active in the early development of missile systems and spacecraft.

yeah, i totally wouldn't be surprised if the missile which hit the pentagon then was carried off had a nice TRW stamp on it's ass.

This ALL might be true and your conclusions of his potential bias might even be true.

But it's A_jokers statement about the scientific community reviewing the NIST report and no one having a problem with it. (or very few)

Bement credibility isn't a issue here becuase of that.  But Dr. Jones, credibility is becuase of his actions.

[240 is Back]

joker - Do you see any conflict of interest with this man leading the investigation?

[OzmO]

u can get thermite on ebay ... dont know if it would be military grade

Hmmm,  might be fun.

[sandycoosworth]

This ALL might be true and your conclusions of his potential bias might even be true.

But it's A_jokers statement about the scientific community reviewing the NIST report and no one having a problem with it. (or very few)

Bement credibility isn't a issue here becuase of that.  But Dr. Jones, credibility is becuase of his actions.

check out the scholars for truth page ... there are hundreds who have a problem with it!

[OzmO]

check out the scholars for truth page ... there are hundreds who have a problem with it!

Scholars or engineers and scientists?

[a_joker10]

check out the scholars for truth page ... there are hundreds who have a problem with it!

100's of people that don't have a background in structural engineering.
http://www.scholarsfortruth.org/

[sandycoosworth]

Scholars or engineers and scientists?

many many many engineers including structural:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

(do a "ctrl F" and search for "engineers")

[sandycoosworth]

100's of people that don't have a background in structural engineering.
http://www.scholarsfortruth.org/

speaking out of your ass again

"Joseph M. Phelps (FM)

MS, PE. Structural Dynamicist (ret.), Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers"

[sandycoosworth]

Grant Williams (FM)

Commercial construction with emphasis on seismic and structural engineering

Paul Landis (AM)

Industrial engineering, Author of "A Real 9/11 Commission"

Michael Lovingier (AM)

Information technology manager , Structural/Environmental Engineering

Ted Muga (AM)

Naval aviator; Commercial pilot; Structural engineering

[OzmO]

Grant Williams (FM)

Commercial construction with emphasis on seismic and structural engineering

Paul Landis (AM)

Industrial engineering, Author of "A Real 9/11 Commission"

Michael Lovingier (AM)

Information technology manager , Structural/Environmental Engineering

Ted Muga (AM)

Naval aviator; Commercial pilot; Structural engineering

That's only 4.

Wouldn;t something so "against the laws of physics" have more than 4 people saying "hey that's not possible, it must have been something else"

[sandycoosworth]

That's only 4.

Wouldn;t something so "against the laws of physics" have more than 4 people saying "hey that's not possible, it must have been something else"

those were just the structural engineers, there were probably about 100 other engineers

to be honest i doubt most people have even looked at this issue, and they dont exactly get a warm reception anywhere when they say there are problems with the official version

anywhoo the point is  joker was talking outta his ass

[a_joker10]

speaking out of your ass again

"Joseph M. Phelps (FM)

MS, PE. Structural Dynamicist (ret.), Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers"

4 out of the 100's of "Experts" on their site.
We already had this debate.
Check their research.

[240 is Back]

But it's A_jokers statement about the scientific community reviewing the NIST report and no one having a problem with it. (or very few)

When it comes to alternative hypotheses, NIST had none.  When challenged on the work of BYU Professor Steven Jones and the preliminary analysis of steel debris from ground zero indicating incendiary devices, with the release of the conclusive evidence imminent, Newman said, “NIST respects the opinions of others who do not agree with the findings in its report on the collapses of WTC-1 and WTC-2.”  To translate this government rhetoric: Even if Jesus Christ descended from heaven, walked into NIST headquarters holding a piece of molten steel from ground zero along with unequivocal evidence of incendiary device compounds and chemicals found on the steel, substances such as Thermate, would respect the opinion of the Lord, but it wouldn’t change their report.  And make no mistake about it – the NIST report on probable collapse sequence of the twin towers is a blind and baseless opinion, a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, and one of the most atrocious lies every told to the American people!  

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Waste money on inconclusive test when none of other evidence supports bombs

You seriously see nothing odd with 3 buildings turning into powder on the same day, do you?

You don't see firefighter reports or even videotape as evidence?

Man, you're a blind one.

[sandycoosworth]

those firefighters were reeling from all the potential energy they experienced

[a_joker10]

When it comes to alternative hypotheses, NIST had none.  When challenged on the work of BYU Professor Steven Jones and the preliminary analysis of steel debris from ground zero indicating incendiary devices, with the release of the conclusive evidence imminent, Newman said, “NIST respects the opinions of others who do not agree with the findings in its report on the collapses of WTC-1 and WTC-2.”  To translate this government rhetoric: Even if Jesus Christ descended from heaven, walked into NIST headquarters holding a piece of molten steel from ground zero along with unequivocal evidence of incendiary device compounds and chemicals found on the steel, substances such as Thermate, would respect the opinion of the Lord, but it wouldn’t change their report.  And make no mistake about it – the NIST report on probable collapse sequence of the twin towers is a blind and baseless opinion, a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, and one of the most atrocious lies every told to the American people! 

Lets see NIST changes their whole report after finding out that pancaking theory was wrong, and NIST now says the buildings fell from progressive collapse. Seems to me that they are willing to change.

Steve Jones never offered up his research for peer review, if had done this he would have been more likely to be listened to.

[OzmO]

When it comes to alternative hypotheses, NIST had none.  When challenged on the work of BYU Professor Steven Jones and the preliminary analysis of steel debris from ground zero indicating incendiary devices, with the release of the conclusive evidence imminent, Newman said, “NIST respects the opinions of others who do not agree with the findings in its report on the collapses of WTC-1 and WTC-2.”  To translate this government rhetoric: Even if Jesus Christ descended from heaven, walked into NIST headquarters holding a piece of molten steel from ground zero along with unequivocal evidence of incendiary device compounds and chemicals found on the steel, substances such as Thermate, would respect the opinion of the Lord, but it wouldn’t change their report.  And make no mistake about it – the NIST report on probable collapse sequence of the twin towers is a blind and baseless opinion, a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, and one of the most atrocious lies every told to the American people! 

If that was the case, soo many more credibile people would speaking out.  But very very very few people with related backgrounds have ahd a problem with the NIST findings.


the Jesus thing.  That's a political statement.  Don't read too much into it.  However i do respect your opinion even though you do not agree with my findings regarding the potential CT.  (this is not meant as an insult,  i'm just joking around,  i get paid to be sarcastic)

[sandycoosworth]

Lets see NIST changes their whole report after finding out that pancaking theory was wrong, and NIST now says the buildings fell from progressive collapse. Seems to me that they are willing to change.

and they could still be wrong ... but aside from that you cannot trust a single word from a non impartial organization, do you think a bank would give someone a loan if their auditor wasnt at arms length

[OzmO]

You seriously see nothing odd with 3 buildings turning into powder on the same day, do you?

You don't see firefighter reports or even videotape as evidence?

Man, you're a blind one.

Careful now, we've all be very civil up to this point    We should be proud of ourselves!