Raising the Bar 2 - Advance clip

[eastcoastbbman]

Hmm... stiffen the arms and torso and then lean back against the resistance... Well, I prefer reverse crunches for working the lower-abs - but to each his own.

first of all, theres no such thing as "lower abs" . the abdominal wall contracts as a unit based on the "all or nothing" principal of muscular contraction. plus, if that movement is hitting the abs, why dont i feel it there? why do i only feel it in my lats??? hmmmm...just like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop..the world may never know the answer.

plus, hate to ruin your joke, but the resistance would have to be coming from the opposite direction to effect the abs, bro. i need you to research 2 things: the physiology of muscular contaction, and basic biomechanics......

[ribonucleic]

first of all, theres no such thing as "lower abs" . the abdominal wall contracts as a unit based on the "all or nothing" principal of muscular contraction. plus, if that movement is hitting the abs, why dont i feel it there? why do i only feel it in my lats??? hmmmm...just like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop..the world may never know the answer.

plus, hate to ruin your joke, but the resistance would have to be coming from the opposite direction to effect the abs, bro. i need you to research 2 things: the physiology of muscular contaction, and basic biomechanics......

These other guys call you ugly, purple-headed, etc, and you go off on this milquetoast jab? 

All I'll say in reply to "there's no such thing as lower abs" is that if you can't feel any difference between a crunch and a reverse crunch, you may want to seek medical help.

[BigAnt]

The abdominal muscles are made up of four muscle groups. These are the rectus abdominus, transversus abdominus, internal oblique, and external oblique muscles. This group of muscles help to stabilize the trunk, provide organ stability, and assist in flexion and rotation of the trunk.  I also work in the PT field.  And the knee extension-squat..as long as he is properly warmed up this is a great exercise combination! And also I trained with Dave.  Again, he is doing what works best for him and it shows.  And just maybe he did super heavy deads, wide grip pull ups, barbell and low pulley rows and uses this "Dave Row" for a finisher. Again, by his bodybuilding placings, he might know a thing or two about exercise form.  Dave, most of these guys couldn't carry your lunch box with "good form"

And Mike, hurry the hell up with RTB #2 Ok?
I am so missing the sushi scenes...

[Rami]

Hmm... stiffen the arms and torso and then lean back against the resistance... Well, I prefer reverse crunches for working the lower-abs - but to each his own.

A shit load of momentum going on. Stricter form and you do not have to use that much weight.

[Steve Pulcinella]

Since when is "bodybuilding" a contest to see who uses the best form? I have seen some pros on video during a real training session and they all pretty much break down at the end of a set and push it to the limit using some pretty loose style. I have trained with Dave many various times over the last 30 years and even at the age of 42 the guy still takes each set to the limit. I have even done these close grip "Dave Pulldowns" with him recently and my lats were incapacitated afterwards.

[slaveboy1980]

i want to ANALYZE the chick in beginning of the clip

[slaveboy1980]

fucked up form on the close grip pulldowns...ego lifting as usual on youtube

[gatomjp]

fucked up form on the close grip pulldowns...ego lifting as usual on youtube

Wrong. Read the thread.

[slaveboy1980]

Wrong. Read the thread.

no too much text, i never read threads. unless you trying to start a motor that is fucked up form for close grip pulldowns.

[gatomjp]

i want to ANALYZE the chick in beginning of the clip

I'm with ya on that one!

[slaveboy1980]

I'm with ya on that one!

yeah she is hot as hell..you know her lol ? love the way she has her hair put up....ravage her in the gym toilet 

[gatomjp]

no too much text, i never read threads. unless you trying to start a motor that is fucked up form for close grip pulldowns.

Then you will make a fool of yourself by posting about issues that have already been exhaustively addressed. You add nothing to the discussion except negativity.

[gatomjp]

yeah she is hot as hell..you know her lol ? love the way she has her hair put up....ravage her in the gym toilet 

Know her?? I wish! No, she was just some hot chick on an exercise bike. My camera was drawn to her like a magnet!

[Mr. Michael Moore]

hey, mike. thanks for the props!! a shred of positive energy in a sea of negativity!! lol! ive been at this an awful long time ( 30 years this year) and i still go into the gym each day with the same enthusiasm as i did in 1977 when i picked up my first barbell in my dads basement....back then i used textbook form....lol!

hope you decide to check out "raising the bar 2" when my brother gets done the editing process and puts it out there. should be soon.

thanks again...that post meant alot to me.

www.davepulcinella.com.

Hey, man, that was my pleasure. I only stated the thruth. Our SPORT needs a heck of a lot more good examples like yours to elevate its reputation again. The daily grind and strugle to put in the hard work in the gym and at the dinner table, all the while maintaining a steady job and raise a family. This is not for those who just want it, but for those who actually can do it.

Once again, it was my pleasure!

[slaveboy1980]

lol just because i point out that your form is fucked up?..and it doesnt help to call it baloooba rows...just a "post fabrication" to justify using the whole weight stack...

[Pollux]

My camera was drawn to her like a magnet!

As it should be.

[slaveboy1980]

As it should be.

i wanna sodomize her

[gatomjp]

lol just because i point out that your form is fucked up?..and it doesnt help to call it baloooba rows...just a "post fabrication" to justify using the whole weight stack...

If you had read the thread you'd know you were talking to the filmmaker, not the bodybuilder. It's not MY form we're talking about and besides... anyone who complains of "ego lifting" usually means to say " hey, that guy can lift more weight than me!"

[slaveboy1980]

If you had read the thread you'd know you were talking to the filmmaker, not the bodybuilder. It's not MY form we're talking about and besides... anyone who complains of "ego lifting" usually means to say " hey, that guy can lift more weight than me!"

no it doesnt, it means if i watch 100 clips on youtube..99 will contain bad form..thats what it means

[Steve Pulcinella]

I still don't know how bodybuilding in any way has anything to do with "form". Just like it has nothing to do with health and wellness. Isn't it about taking your physique the extreme? This ain't no fucking early morning workout TV show with some skinny girl showing you how to breath properly while she presses two 8lb dumbbells with perfect form.

[gatomjp]

Just a few points from both sides:

Yes, Dave's form is the shits.  Pretty well every pro trains with some level of bad form, but those modified row-pulldowns are up there with Bertil Fox's dumbbell curls lol!  However, Dave is a bodybuilder so other than what he looks like on contest day the rest doesn't matter.  My concern would be injuries, but he is probably like Bertil in that he has joints of steel and is able to train like this.  My next concern would be productivity.  Would he grow more with better form?  Perhaps, but after 30 years of training I seem to think he has things figured out.  Was the DVD supposed to be a training DVD or a documentary?  If it was supposed to be a documentary like the first one, the form doesn't matter since it's simply supposed to recount Dave's training.  If it's being marketed as a training DVD, then better form would be more appropriate.

As for the DVD, this is exactly the type of thing bodybuilding needs and the same can be said of the Raising the Bar I.  I was excited to see a DVD come out that wasn't another training or contest DVD like 99% of them.  This was refreshing and something severely lacking in the bodybuilding world.  I'm not the only one who has these sentiments.  My review of the first DVD is here:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/raisingthebardvdreview.html

If part II is as good as part I, I recommend for everyone to get it.  I would also like a review copy of the DVD, and I would like to pay $0. 

Thanks. 

There is NO WAY you are going to have to pay for this DVD Matt! You have been one of our biggest supporters and will be one of the first to get a (complimentary!) copy of RTB2.

It's funny, a few people who watched the original RTB said that they wanted to see more workout footage next time and so I posted this clip for them and because I was really happy with the way it came out. I now regret posting this particular clip as the first example of RTB2. I didn't mean to give the impression that RTB2 is a training video and unfortunately it is being taken that way. It is a documentary, as Dave said. The next clip I show will be a better representation of what we are trying to do.

Thanks again for your support!

[slaveboy1980]

I still don't know how bodybuilding in any way has anything to do with "form". Just like it has nothing to do with health and wellness. Isn't it about taking your physique the extreme? This ain't no fucking early morning workout TV show with some skinny girl showing you how to breath properly while she presses two 8lb dumbbells with perfect form.

lol i agree with that...lifting shouldnt be pussy lifting..some exercises its ok to cheat more than in others...(squats no..db curls its ok to use some body english)..im not saying lift slow and controlled like a pussy with small pink 6lbs db but that clip was too much cheating..and more of a lower back exercise

[gatomjp]

I'd like to give kudos to Martin Bailey who is composing music for this project. That's his piece you hear in the background and it was composed specifically for this scene and works great IMO!

[gatomjp]

lol i agree with that...lifting shouldnt be pussy lifting..some exercises its ok to cheat more than in others...(squats no..db curls its ok to use some body english)..im not saying lift slow and controlled like a pussy with small pink 6lbs db but that clip was too much cheating..and more of a lower back exercise

Skim through the thread (don't need to read it!) and check out the pix of Dave and see if you don't think that his methods, as unorthodox as they might seem, yield results. Isn't results what it's all about?

[slaveboy1980]

you have to try to film that chick again