the all time best martial artist

[Option D]

Who would you guys consider the all time best martial artist. Like who is the Michael jordan of MMA?

[Fury]

Fedor I suppose.

[Option D]

Fedor I suppose.

not bruce lee...would fedor kick bruces ass?

[Fury]

not bruce lee...would fedor kick bruces ass?

How did I know that you were going to post Bruce Lee. And yes, Fedor by death.

[Scimowser]

Mark Kerr in his prime, i dont think Fedor has ever fought anyone of that caliber all in. Would be one hell of a fight

[Option D]

How did I know that you were going to post Bruce Lee. And yes, Fedor by death.

LOL i dont know much about it but thats the biggest name.
it has to be cool to be considered the greatest ass kicker of all time

[Option D]

what about this dude
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira...he dont knock nobody though.

[americanbulldog]

Mark Kerr in his prime, i dont think Fedor has ever fought anyone of that caliber all in. Would be one hell of a fight

Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE-Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16  
 Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32-The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15  
 Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE-Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26  
 Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00  
 Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE-Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00  
 Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE-Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00  
 NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE-Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52  
 Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54  
 Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE-Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33  
 Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11  
 Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003-Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02  
 Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09  
 Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Choke) PRIDE 26-Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17  
 Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania-Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 N/A  
 Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25-Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00  
 Win Heath Herring TKO (Cut) PRIDE 23-Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00  
 Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21-Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00  
 Win Chris Haseman TKO (Lost Points) Rings-World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50  
 Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings-World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10  
 Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings-World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00  
 Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings-10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00  
 Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings-World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47  
 Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Rings Russia-Russia vs Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03  
 Loss Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Cut) Rings-King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17  
 Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings-King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00  
 Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings-Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12  
 Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Choke) Rings-Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24  

Let me see.....Fujita beat Kerr when he was near the top of his game.  Fedor punked Herring, made Big Nog look human, beat current K1 champ Semmy Schlit, Coleman 2X, Randleman, Mirko.  That isn't any real competition....

By contrast this is Kerr's record.  

 Loss Mike Whitehead TKO (Strikes) IFL-World Championship Semifinals 11/2/2006 1 2:40  
 Loss Yoshihisa Yamamoto TKO (Strikes) PRIDE 27-Inferno 2/1/2004 1 0:40  
 Loss Heath Herring TKO (Knees) PRIDE 15-Raging Rumble 7/29/2001 2 4:56  
 Loss Igor Vovchanchyn Decision PRIDE 12-Cold Fury 12/9/2000 3 5:00  
 Win Igor Borisov Submission (Neck Crank) PRIDE 10-Return of the Warriors 8/27/2000 1 2:06  
 Loss Kazuyuki Fujita Decision PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Finals 5/1/2000 1 15:00  
 Win Enson Inoue  Decision PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Opening Round 1/30/2000 1 15:00  
 NC Igor Vovchanchyn No Contest PRIDE 7-PRIDE 7 9/12/1999 N/A  
 Win Nobuhiko Takada Submission (Kimura) PRIDE 6-PRIDE 6 7/4/1999 1 3:04  
 Win Hugo Duarte TKO PRIDE 4-PRIDE 4 10/11/1998 3 2:32  
 Win Pedro Otavio Submission (Armlock) PRIDE 3-PRIDE 3 6/24/1998 1 2:13  
 Win Branco Cikatic Disqualification (Grabbing the Ropes) PRIDE 2-PRIDE 2 3/15/1998 1 2:14  
 Win Dwayne Cason Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 15-Collision Course 10/17/1997 1 0:53  
 Win Greg Stott KO (Knee to the Head) UFC 15-Collision Course 10/17/1997 1 0:17  
 Win Dan Bobish Submission (Chin to the Eye) UFC 14-Showdown 7/27/1997 1 1:38  
 Win Moti Horenstein TKO UFC 14-Showdown 7/27/1997 1 2:22  
 Win Fabio Gurgel Decision (Unanimous) WVC 3-World Vale Tudo Championship 3 1/19/1997 1 30:00  
 Win Mestre Hulk DQ (Crawling out of the Ring) WVC 3-World Vale Tudo Championship 3 1/19/1997 1 2:21  
 Win Paul Varelans TKO (Strikes) WVC 3-World Vale Tudo Championship 3 1/19/1997 1 2:06  

His biggest wins were against Fabio Gurgel, Hugo Duarte (whom Tank destroyed), an overmatched Enson.  But he lost to Fujita, and Herring who are common opponents.  Fedor is MUCH BETTER than Kerr.  And in fact is the most influential martial artist this century.  He is well rounded, and athletically superior to all others.  

[Scimowser]

i take it you havent seen the smashing machine? Saying that with your ignorance you probably have. Between 97-99 Kerr was untouchable. He was committed to fighting and he hadnt sunk to the depths of despair he did when that bitch sunk her claws in as deep as she could.

When he first trained with Bas he was the best fighter in the world, when he lost the passion and let the drugs take hold he became a no mark. He doesnt have the heart for it anymore, but im talking about when you had him at his best. Im talking about when you could kick to the face, use your head, basically anything goes. He had no remorse or hesitation and would smash you through the floor to win. Kerr certainly had the power to make an impression on Fedor, it could have been one of the defining fights in MMA

But remember, this is all theoretical

[americanbulldog]

I have, I saw it when it was originally released.  I even have all of his ADCC fights.  This is when he was at the top of his game.  But...Kerr never fought top competition.  Igor beat him TWICE.  This was during his "Specimen" days.  The same Igor that Coleman beat in the 2000 GP.  The same Igor that Mirko KOed.  I have actually trained at BHJJC with Master Vinicius.  Kerr was tough, but not in the same league as Fedor.  Fedor has and is beating the top competition of HIS day.  Something that Kerr didn't do. 

[sandycoosworth]

lol ... kerr was untouchable till he ran into top level comptition then he was a bitch

you normally know your shit schmoe, but you are so far off its laughable on this!

fedor by a landslide

[Bluto]

http://www.martialartsmuseum.com/magazine/magazineindex.htm

[realkarateblackbelt]

Fedor. Judo olympic medalist, world sambo champ, and more.

[torquemada]

In true Vale Tudo, Kerr was tough in his prime, but no one touches Fedor...

[Thin Lizzy]

Obviously Fedor

In the lighter divs, GSP seems way better than anyone his weight and, at 26, he's just hitting his prime.

[Petrucci]

Rickson Gracie i would say...best martial artis, with greatest history...(Not the best MMa fighter...)

[Scimowser]

When Igor beat him you could see he wasnt mentally tough enough to be fighting him. Remember, Igor was touted as one of the best fighters in the world back then and Kerr just didnt have the stability or the drive to take him on. Hes gone downhill from around 99 and will never get back what he had. When we see Fedor hit top gear he will eclipse anything we have seen in the fight game

[dootle]

in mma, mark kerr could have been everything fedor is now(maybe more)..drugs(especially opiate addiction) will suck the life out of anyone(and mark was a bigtime junky)..if fedor started booting dope like kerr was(is), we would see the same decline from him(and you all would be talking the same shit about him)..
 as far as martial artists, bruce lee was the all time best(pound for pound)..

[americanbulldog]

When Igor beat him you could see he wasnt mentally tough enough to be fighting him. Remember, Igor was touted as one of the best fighters in the world back then and Kerr just didnt have the stability or the drive to take him on. Hes gone downhill from around 99 and will never get back what he had. When we see Fedor hit top gear he will eclipse anything we have seen in the fight game

First time Kerr fought Igor Sept 1999.  He was undefeated, and riding a high of publicity.  The problem is he never fought anyone outside of Hugo Duarte, Pedro Octavio, and Fabio Gurgel.  In his fight with Gurgel, he was able to use headbutts.  He was a great wrestler with decent standup skills, decent jits skills.  Fedor is able to beat strikers in the striking range (Mirko), wrestlers by sub, AND he has fought the top competition of his day.  No comparision.  I could compare the 2006 Steelers to the Pats, IF BEN didn't ride a bike, didn't have to get an emergency apendectomy, didn't get another concussion, if Troy didn't get another concussion......

[Your MAAAAaaaa]

Mark Kerr in his prime, i dont think Fedor has ever fought anyone of that caliber all in. Would be one hell of a fight

No way Fedor would have mauled him too.


Whtaever goes in front of him gets beat simple as!

ta ta

[Bluto]

Since you all agree on Fedor make it - the all time  2ND  best martial artist 

[Fury]

Since you all agree on Fedor make it - the all time  2ND  best martial artist 

That's a good question.

[Your MAAAAaaaa]

it is a good question and arguements could be made for a few fighters.

I'll have a think, but I am sure it will end in a disagreement! lol


ta ta

[Bluto]

I'm still thinking 

[Fury]

I'm still thinking 

hahaha, me too. Can't really decide who should be #2 from the group I'm thinking of. Leaning towards Wandy to be honest but I'm probably forgetting some people I can't think of right now.