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Man Sues IBM for $5 Million After Being Fired for Visiting Adult Chat Room at Work
Saturday, February 17, 2007


WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. —  A man who was fired by IBM for visiting an adult chat room during the workday is suing the company for $5 million, claiming he is an Internet addict who deserves treatment and sympathy rather than dismissal.

James Pacenza, 58, of upstate Montgomery, says he visits chat rooms as treatment for traumatic stress incurred in 1969 when he saw his best friend killed during an Army patrol in Vietnam.

In papers filed in federal court in White Plains, Pacenza said the stress caused him to become "a sex addict, and with the development of the Internet, an Internet addict." He claimed protection under the American with Disabilities Act.

His lawyer, Michael Diederich, says Pacenza never visited pornographic sites at work, violated no written IBM rule and did not surf the Internet any more or any differently than other employees. He also says age discrimination contributed to IBM's actions. Pacenza, 55 at the time, had 19 years of IBM service and said he could have retired in one more year.

International Business Machines Corp. has asked Judge Stephen Robinson for a summary judgment, saying its policy against surfing to sexual sites is clear. It also claims Pacenza was told he could lose his job after an incident four months earlier, which Pacenza denies.

"Plaintiff was discharged by IBM because he visited an Internet chat room for a sexual experience during work after he had been previously warned," the company said.

IBM also said sexual behavior disorders are specifically excluded from the ADA. It denied any age discrimination.

If it goes to trial later this year, the case could affect how employers regulate Internet use that is not work-related, or how Internet overuse is categorized medically. Stanford University issued a nationwide study last year in which up to 14 percent of computer users reported neglecting work, school, families, food and sleep to use the Internet.

The study's director, Dr. Elias Aboujaoude, said then that he was most concerned about the numbers of people who hid their nonessential Internet use or used the Internet to escape a negative mood, much in the same way that alcoholics might.

"In a sense, they're using the Internet to 'self-medicate,"' he said.

Until he was fired on May 29, 2003, Pacenza was making $65,000 (euro49,546) a year operating a machine at an IBM plant in East Fishkill that makes computer chips. The machine measures the thickness of silicon wafers.

Several times during the day, machine operators are idle for five to 10 minutes as the tool does its work.

It was during such down time on May 28, 2003, that Pacenza logged onto a chat room from a computer at his work station.

Diederich says Pacenza had returned that day from a visit to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington and logged onto a site called ChatAvenue and then to an adult chat room.

Pacenza, who has a wife and two children, said using the Internet at work was encouraged by IBM and served as "a form of self-medication" for post-traumatic stress disorder. He said he tried to stay away from chat rooms at work, but that day, "I felt I needed the interactive engagement of chat talk to divert my attention from my thoughts of Vietnam and death."

"I was tempting myself to perhaps become involved in some titillating conversation," he said in court papers.

Pacenza said he was called away before he got involved in any online conversation. But he apparently did not log off, and when another worker went to Pacenza's station, he saw some chat entries, including a vulgar reference to a sexual act.

He reported his discovery to his boss, who consulted with a superior and fired Pacenza the next day. Pacenza was escorted out of the building.

Pacenza says he would have understood if IBM had disciplined him for taking an unauthorized break, but firing him was far in excess of any punishment deserved.

He argues that other IBM workers with worse offenses have been disciplined less severely — including a couple who had sex on a desk and were transferred rather than sacked.

"Engaging in sexual intercourse on an IBM desk is potentially more disruptive of the workplace than is a brief visit to a computer chat room resulting in words on a monitor," Pacenza said. IBM spokesman Fred McNeese, a spokesman for Armonk-based IBM, would not comment.

Pacenza claims the company decided on dismissal only after improperly viewing his medical records, including psychiatric treatment, after the incident.

"In IBM management's eyes, plaintiff has an undesirable and self-professed record of psychological disability related to his Vietnam War combat experience," his papers claim.

Diederich says IBM workers who have drug or alcohol problems are taken into programs to help them, and Pacenza should have been offered the same. Instead, he said, Pacenza was told there were no programs for sex addiction or other psychological illnesses. He said Pacenza was also denied an appeal.

Diederich, who said he spent a year in Iraq as an Army lawyer, also argued that "A military combat veteran, if anyone, should be afforded a second chance, the benefit of doubt and afforded reasonable accommodation for combat-related disability."

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Re: Man Sues IBM for $5 Million After Being Fired for Visiting Adult Chat Room
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2007, 11:43:05 AM »
He broke company policy at his job.

Fire him.  Nothing else to say.  If he had a medical condition from his past, he should have let the company know.  Sounds like this is just another liberal way of not taking responsibility for one's action.  Giving it coverage like this only seems to legitimize what most would consider a "cockamamie" case.

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2007, 12:14:10 PM »
I'm speechless.   :o

Man Sues IBM for $5 Million After Being Fired for Visiting Adult Chat Room at Work
Saturday, February 17, 2007


WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. —  A man who was fired by IBM for visiting an adult chat room during the workday is suing the company for $5 million, claiming he is an Internet addict who deserves treatment and sympathy rather than dismissal.

James Pacenza, 58, of upstate Montgomery, says he visits chat rooms as treatment for traumatic stress incurred in 1969 when he saw his best friend killed during an Army patrol in Vietnam.


Yeah, sympathy for chatting with little boys on company time.

If he was stressed from Vietnam, then he should have taken up dope or alcohol.  ;)

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Re: Man Sues IBM for $5 Million After Being Fired for Visiting Adult Chat Room
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2007, 12:17:32 PM »
"Plaintiff was discharged by IBM because he visited an Internet chat room for a sexual experience during work after he had been previously warned," the company said.


he was warned.  nuff said
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2007, 12:34:00 PM »
He broke company policy at his job.

Fire him.  Nothing else to say.  If he had a medical condition from his past, he should have let the company know.  Sounds like this is just another liberal way of not taking responsibility for one's action.  Giving it coverage like this only seems to legitimize what most would consider a "cockamamie" case.

Oh Puleaze Rob, ...how is this "liberal"? The guy got fired 1 yr before retirement. He wants his job back as well as all the benfits he's accrued through the years. How does that make him liberal. It's self-interest plain & simple. no politics about it. Stop cowtowing to bullies.
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Re: Man Sues IBM for $5 Million After Being Fired for Visiting Adult Chat Room
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2007, 02:06:00 PM »
Oh Puleaze Rob, ...how is this "liberal"? The guy got fired 1 yr before retirement. He wants his job back as well as all the benfits he's accrued through the years. How does that make him liberal. It's self-interest plain & simple. no politics about it. Stop cowtowing to bullies.

IMO, whining about being fired, after you were caught and warned before, is BS.  He signed the company agreement.  I love posting on getbig, but in the past when I had part time jobs, I wouldn't go near the place because I knew the consequences.  And those were only part-time jobs.  If I had my retirement riding on it, and I'd already been warned, no way would I visit the place.

Plus, this was a sex board.  And he didn't deny he was breaking company policy - he denied responsibility cause he was an addict. 

Bullshit.  I have addict blood in me and half my family is drunks and junkies.  I understand addiciton very clearly.  You don't get up and go to work and sneak a wank while talking dirty to a housewife in cali because you NEED to.  You do it because you WANT to.  This guy made a choice to break company rules.  If his addiction was that bad, he could have stayed home and done it.  ESPECIALLY after he was warned. 

He signed a contract (pension) and he broke it.  Happens with cops, teachers, and anyone else.


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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2007, 02:35:54 PM »
IMO, whining about being fired, after you were caught and warned before, is BS.  He signed the company agreement.  I love posting on getbig, but in the past when I had part time jobs, I wouldn't go near the place because I knew the consequences.  And those were only part-time jobs.  If I had my retirement riding on it, and I'd already been warned, no way would I visit the place.

Plus, this was a sex board.  And he didn't deny he was breaking company policy - he denied responsibility cause he was an addict. 

Bullshit.  I have addict blood in me and half my family is drunks and junkies.  I understand addiciton very clearly.  You don't get up and go to work and sneak a wank while talking dirty to a housewife in cali because you NEED to.  You do it because you WANT to.  This guy made a choice to break company rules.  If his addiction was that bad, he could have stayed home and done it.  ESPECIALLY after he was warned. 

He signed a contract (pension) and he broke it.  Happens with cops, teachers, and anyone else.


TRUE, TRUE, TRUE, TRUE, & TRUE!

He screwed up, and is trying to do what he can to not have to face the music. ALL AGREED!

I'm not arguing the guy never screwed up, or that he trying to get out of taking responsibility for his errors. I'm simply saying it's in his own selfish self-interest to get out of taking responsibility for his error.

The original question I posed to you was 'how does this make him Liberal'?

You made the accusation, ...now back it up.

I think you've been bullied so much on these boards because of your 911 beliefs and your displeasure with Bush and the direction your party has taken, that you're going out of your way to prove to the bullys that you ain't no liberal <spit> by calling the next coward you encounter a "Liberal".

See guys, I'm not one of those dirty Liberals. Infact, ...I'd pull out my glock and shoot ever frikkin liberal I see right between the eyes.  <heaves chest and does tarzan yell here>  ::)
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2007, 02:46:49 PM »
sorry - liberal as in, loose interpretation of rules and addiciton to benefit oneself/excuse behavior and keep pension and resort to lawsuit if not.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2007, 07:42:24 PM »
sorry - liberal as in, loose interpretation of rules and addiciton to benefit oneself/excuse behavior and keep pension and resort to lawsuit if not.

Does that mean W is a liberal... cause he sure ain't no republican?  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2007, 07:45:21 PM »
Does that mean W is a liberal... cause he sure ain't no republican?  ;D


I dont know what W is, but I agree with you that he certainly has little in common with the party of Barry Goldwater.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2007, 07:50:14 PM »
...the party of Barry Goldwater.


for those youngsters who don't know....


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Centrist and libertarian views

By the 1980s, with Ronald Reagan as president and the growing involvement of the religious right in conservative politics, Goldwater's libertarian views on personal issues were revealed, which he believed were an integral part of true conservativism. Goldwater viewed abortion as a matter of personal choice, not intended for government intervention. He did not believe that abortion was murder if the baby had not taken the breath of life as said in the King James version of Genesis, chapter 2, verse 7: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." He received this teaching under Pastor R.B. Thieme of Houston, at the Christian Fundamentalist church Berachah.[citation needed] He was also not against homosexuals in the military.

As a passionate defender of personal liberty, he saw the religious right's views as an encroachment on personal privacy and individual liberties. In his 1980 Senate reelection campaign, Goldwater won support from religious conservatives but in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way".[12] Goldwater also disagreed with the Reagan administration on certain aspects of foreign policy (e.g. he opposed the decision to mine Nicaraguan harbors). Notwithstanding his prior differences with Dwight Eisenhower, Goldwater in a 1986 interview rated him the best of the seven Presidents with whom he had served.

After his retirement in 1987, Goldwater described the conservative Arizona Governor Evan Mecham as “hardheaded” and called on him to resign, and two years later stated that the Republican Party had been taken over by a “bunch of kooks.” In a 1994 interview with the Washington Post the retired senator said,
“    When you say “radical right” today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.    ”

Goldwater also had harsh words for his onetime political protege, President Reagan, particularly after the Iran-Contra Affair became public in 1986. Journalist Robert MacNeil, a friend of Goldwater's from the 1964 Presidential campaign, recalled interviewing him in his office shortly afterward. "He was sitting in his office with his hands on his cane...and he said to me, 'Well, aren't you going to ask me about the Iran arms sales?' It had just been announced that the Reagan administration had sold arms to Iran. And I said, 'Well, if I asked you, what would you say?' He said, 'I'd say it's the goddamn stupidest foreign policy blunder this country's ever made!'"[13]

Some of Goldwater's statements in the 1990s aggravated many social conservatives. He endorsed Democrat Karan English in an Arizona congressional race, urged Republicans to lay off Clinton over the Whitewater scandal, and criticized the military's ban on homosexuals: “Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.” He also said, “You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.” In 1996 he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans: “We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?” In response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, “Every good Christian should be concerned,” Goldwater retorted: “I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.”
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2007, 07:56:26 PM »

I dont know what W is, but I agree with you that he certainly has little in common with the party of Barry Goldwater.

Little? Try nothing... Goldwater is turning in his grave right now.

Oh, and this guy worked for IBM. IBM has internet usage policies and he knew what he was doing.

He got caught fucking off and now he's trying to make some bank out of it... IBM will win this one easy and if they don't... he can appeal til the end of time, IBM will never pay out a cent.

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2007, 07:58:17 PM »

I dont know what W is, but I agree with you that he certainly has little in common with the party of Barry Goldwater.

Goldwater was a good man.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2007, 08:10:56 PM »
Goldwater was a good man.


Mark this date on the calendar....   for the first time ever, I agree with pyramid-chick!  :D
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2007, 08:17:35 PM »
Little? Try nothing... Goldwater is turning in his grave right now.

Oh, and this guy worked for IBM. IBM has internet usage policies and he knew what he was doing.

He got caught fucking off and now he's trying to make some bank out of it... IBM will win this one easy and if they don't... he can appeal til the end of time, IBM will never pay out a cent.

Yep. 

And bad enough the guy got fired for being a dope, now he let the whole world know how dumb he is. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 09:27:36 AM »

Mark this date on the calendar....   for the first time ever, I agree with pyramid-chick!  :D

Stop calling me that!  >:(

Goatboy, this isn't the first time we've been in agreement. That's why I'm always laughing at you.
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 02:36:33 PM »
:-*

It is kinda humorous though... at least it's not "Amway" or "Mary Kay"

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2007, 07:55:32 PM »
It is kinda humorous though... at least it's not "Amway" or "Mary Kay"


Eeeeeeeeeek!

You wouldn't catch me dead or alive near either one of those organizations.  :-X
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