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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2007, 06:46:38 PM »
No, thank you.  :)

Instead, please respond to my simple request to dispute the definition offered by my commonly-referenced [and linked] source - rather than trying to create a smokescreen with your obscure [and unlinked] one.

Thank you, a simple admission of error would not go a stray, however.

Here's my link, read away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2007, 06:48:53 PM »
Just on that note, I'll take on any challengers for The Cage on this topic (babies = parasites).
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2007, 06:57:17 PM »
Thank you, a simple admission of error would not go a stray, however.

Here's my link, read away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite

Ah, Bruce - don't ever change. Your intellectual dishonesty is what makes this place special.

Er, you rely on Wikipedia for your indictment of world leaders?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=124201.msg1776183#msg1776183

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2007, 07:00:03 PM »
There is a ton of information stating both sides of the parasite issue. The most logical one at least to me is that a fetus isn't a "perfect parasite" because it's not an invader. This point can be argued either way without any clear winner.

Exactly how nutrients are exchanged between mother and fetus is not understood. In the past it was viewed as a host-parasite relationship, with the fetus in the role of the parasite, taking whatever nourishment it required from the host mother. But recent research has shown that the fetus is not a perfect parasite. The fetus is sometimes more affected than the mother by lack of nourishment, and there is a relationship between maternal weight gain and growth and development of the fetus.

http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/articles/pregnancy/eating4two/index.php

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2007, 07:01:03 PM »
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2007, 07:04:13 PM »
Ah, Bruce - don't ever change. Your intellectual dishonesty is what makes this place special.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=124201.msg1776183#msg1776183


Oh joy, you claim I display 'intellectual dishonesty' and then you link those two posts together.  Just so you know - I don't use my Encyclopaedia Britannica to develop views regarding the Bush Administration’s Iraq Doctrine, either.  Nor have I ever referred to a dictionary when contemplating the Venezuelan Socialist regime.

Get that?
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2007, 07:08:33 PM »
Oh joy, you claim I display 'intellectual dishonesty' and then you link those two posts together.  Just so you know - I don't use my Encyclopaedia Britannica to develop views regarding the Bush Administration’s Iraq Doctrine, either.  Nor have I ever referred to a dictionary when contemplating the Venezuelan Socialist regime.

Get that?


bruce, your arguing with someone who used a dictionary to show his belief in what he believes is human life. 

you would get more intellect from debating a stop sign. 

HTH    ;D
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2007, 07:10:10 PM »
bruce, your arguing with someone who used a dictionary to show his belief in what he believes is human life. 

you would get more intellect from debating a stop sign. 

HTH    ;D

You mean I can't look up 'abortion' in Webster's and then be able to define who gets killed and who doesn't?  Curse this world, and its shades of grey!
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2007, 07:37:44 PM »
Am I the only one on this site who supports abortion? Too many God-fearing douche bags on this board.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2007, 07:39:56 PM »
Am I the only one on this site who supports abortion? Too many God-fearing douche bags on this board.
BF, you're mother knew your future greatness and knew the almighty SF would strike her down in a hail of gun fire should should use that coat hanger.
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2007, 07:40:19 PM »
Am I the only one on this site who supports abortion? Too many God-fearing douche bags on this board.

Why on earth would you 'support' killing a child?  You might accept it, or understand it, but support?

And as for your 'God-fearing' comment, I'm agnostic, so you surely can't be talking about me.
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2007, 07:53:27 PM »
BF, you're mother knew your future greatness and knew the almighty SF would strike her down in a hail of gun fire should should use that coat hanger.

hahahahahaha yes!

Why on earth would you 'support' killing a child?  You might accept it, or understand it, but support?

And as for your 'God-fearing' comment, I'm agnostic, so you surely can't be talking about me.

I'm talking about you people who feel it's alright to tell women what they can and can't do with their body. I'd venture to say that an early child embryo/fetus is about as much of a human as a plant reproducing.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2007, 07:56:01 PM »
I'm talking about you people who feel it's alright to tell women what they can and can't do with their body. I'd venture to say that an early child embryo/fetus is about as much of a human as a plant reproducing.

You compare human children in the womb to a plant; I do not.  A woman's body ceases to be solely hers when another's begins growing within it.
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2007, 07:58:34 PM »
You compare human children in the womb to a plant; I do not.  A woman's body ceases to be solely hers when another's begins growing within it.

It's still not yours.  ;)

I compare the fact that fetus has absolutely no cognitive ability and isn't much more sophisticated than a plant embryo at that point in time.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2007, 08:01:19 PM »
It's still not yours.  ;)

As I've said, a child is the property of no-one - you cannot possess a human being.

It's odd that you would question who a child belongs to in an attempt to justify killing it, as if this makes the decision more reasonable.

But to clarify, no women are currently carrying my children.
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2007, 08:34:52 PM »
See BF is torn by the fact that penis puffers like DA and Bluto exist as a reason people have abortions.  Don't worry BF, they were bastard children that were meant to grow up in the slums of Calcutta but their mothers sat on the toilet seat before Teh Shadow's did.   ;D
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2007, 08:40:39 PM »
See BF is torn by the fact that penis puffers like DA and Bluto exist as a reason people have abortions.  Don't worry BF, they were bastard children that were meant to grow up in the slums of Calcutta but their mothers sat on the toilet seat before Teh Shadow's did.   ;D

hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was fucking gold.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2007, 12:48:31 AM »
It's not, but thanks for clearing up for me that you are another member not to take seriously on this debate.



The foster is a parasite.

That is a fact, not debatable. I don't understand why you're giving ribo shit for mentioning it? ???

Now, that a lot of us use the term parasite in different situations, always in a negative manner, that has nothing to do with how the term was used in this instance.

Look up parasite in any dictionary.


Lets discuss the topic at hand instead:

My stance on death penalty is clear: As long as there are innocent people on death row I don't think it's even up for discussion(a few days back, BB posted an article showing how 14 persons were cleared off death row from a project effort).

Because if you kill a man, and he is later found innocent, you cannot "un-kill" him.

As for death penalty in general: There is no evidence of death penalty having any benefits in crime fighting, as countries with death penalties to the letter have higher crime rates than countries without it.

So why have death penalty if it doesn't have any benefits?

The only sentencing that should be used are those that are most effective in keeping crime rates low and as few people as possible in prison IMO.

How that sentencing exactly should be, I don't know about. But I know that there should not be any consideration for the victims need for revenge. That is just ineffective and unrational.

You sometimes see slogans "Let him rott in prison" or how the general public is concerned with criminals having too good time in prison.

That's missing the point.

I think what should worry people, is that most people who goes to prison, returns to criminality when they get out.

And instead of locking everyone up forever, do whatever is needed to turn these persons into straight model citizens. ASAP.

If that means boot camp 24/7, then boot camp it is. Or if it means isolation cells, then that's what they should be put in. Or even if it means a relaxed form of imprisonment.

Whatever it takes, it has to be done.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2007, 07:06:35 AM »
Oh brother.. I think everyone can distinguish a fetus from a fully formed human being.


I'll offer up like I did in the other post. If our line is drawn where they can't sustain themselves. What about the week old babies that are thrown in dumpsters and the moms are charged with murder. Why is it different than abortion? All the arguments presented by cardio, camel jockey and others are contradictive.
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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2007, 07:22:43 AM »
The foster is a parasite.

That is a fact, not debatable. I don't understand why you're giving ribo shit for mentioning it? ???

Now, that a lot of us use the term parasite in different situations, always in a negative manner, that has nothing to do with how the term was used in this instance.

Look up parasite in any dictionary.

That's not Bruce's style.  :)

Of course he could have made a simple regrouping statement like: "While Ribo's use of the term might have a narrow biological validity, its frequently perjorative connotations in everyday discussion were offensive to me and the many others who take the sanctity of life very seriously."  Disposes in the introductory clause with the sticky matter of his having erroneously shot his mouth off, then puts the adversary back on the defensive by implying that they don't value human life. Neat, huh?  :)

But Bush has never acknowledged a mistake, so why should Bruce?  So out comes the smokescreen. Only in this case, Bruce reached for the Wikipedia - having forgotten that he had been against it before he had been for it.   :)

Ah, I love the smell of self-ownage in the morning!  ;D

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2007, 07:32:22 AM »
As many of us have said... we do not consider something that looks like this -----> .  a baby.  If  you walked past a dump and came upon a three day old baby and (.), and could only save one, which one would you choose?  You know perfectly well what the answer is.

At this point in time, pretty much every civilized country in the world has endorsed the laws that guarantee a woman's freedom and individuality.  Unfortunately, US women may find this law that ensures them autonomy over their bodies and destinies at risk in the future.  If that happens, the ones with financial means will simply go to Canada to have abortions.  The rest will just be screwed.  Since there are over 1,000,000 abortions performed in the US every year, looks like at least half of those will end up being born into poverty, neglectful homes, to unfit mothers... or will simply get funneled into the welfare system... sounds like a plan!

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2007, 07:36:36 AM »
That's not Bruce's style.  :)

Of course he could have made a simple regrouping statement like: "While Ribo's use of the term might have a narrow biological validity, its frequently perjorative connotations in everyday discussion were offensive to me and the many others who take the sanctity of life very seriously."  Disposes in the introductory clause with the sticky matter of his having erroneously shot his mouth off, then puts the adversary back on the defensive by implying that they don't value human life. Neat, huh?  :)

But Bush has never acknowledged a mistake, so why should Bruce?  So out comes the smokescreen. Only in this case, Bruce reached for the Wikipedia - having forgotten that he had been against it before he had been for it.   :)

Ah, I love the smell of self-ownage in the morning!  ;D

Not that I ever want to defend bruce but there is information out there that the mother/fetus relationship isn't a true parasitism. I agree that by any dictionary definition it is but I think so many people are offended by the accusation that a trend to discredit it was started.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2007, 07:40:45 AM »
Not that I ever want to defend bruce but there is information out there that the mother/fetus relationship isn't a true parasitism. I agree that by any dictionary definition it is but I think so many people are offended by the accusation that a trend to discredit it was started.

I think that conversation was pursued by those whose opinions on abortion were calmly, dispassionately and reasonably annhilated on another thread.   ;)

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2007, 07:42:11 AM »
At this point in time, pretty much every civilized country in the world has endorsed the laws that guarantee a woman's freedom and individuality.

What does that have to do with the United States?  :)

We're still fighting against the theory of evolution, for God's sake.

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Re: To branch off of MM69's thread
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2007, 07:48:13 AM »
What does that have to do with the United States?  :)

We're still fighting against the theory of evolution, for God's sake.

Lol, so far you're still among the civilized! I hope reason perseveres...