To branch off of MM69's thread

[militarymuscle69]

What does that have to do with the United States? 

We're still fighting against the theory of evolution, for God's sake.

Things have evolved, however they were created by a intelligent source

[BRUCE]

Not that I ever want to defend bruce but there is information out there that the mother/fetus relationship isn't a true parasitism. I agree that by any dictionary definition it is but I think so many people are offended by the accusation that a trend to discredit it was started.

 Thank you, I think if anyone read the information I provided it would be made clear to them that a human baby is not a parasite.

Again, I will take anyone to The Cage on this one; RN has already forgone this opportunity and decided to use his time here acting foolishly (e.g. 'self-ownage').

I'll take the high road on this one, guys.

[ribonucleic]

Again, I will take anyone to The Cage on this one; RN has already forgone this opportunity and decided to use his time here acting foolishly (e.g. 'self-ownage').

Foolish or not, documenting your hypocrisy concerning Wikipedia sources brought a little sunshine into my day. 

I don't know what this "Cage" you keep beckoning people into is used for. But I'm sorry, Bruce - I don't swing that way.

[BRUCE]

Foolish or not, documenting your hypocrisy concerning Wikipedia sources brought a little sunshine into my day. 

I don't know what this "Cage" you keep beckoning people into is used for. But I'm sorry, Bruce - I don't swing that way.

I posted on your little 'gotcha' Wikipedia claim, RN - do you have any response to that, or am I to assume you have been significantly persuaded of your inaccuracy?

The Cage, contrary to your homoerotic fantasy, is a forum for intelligent debate with an essay-style approach.  I shall be facing down the might of Debussey in gladiatorial battle in this very theatre.

[Camel Jockey]

As many of us have said... we do not consider something that looks like this -----> .  a baby.  If  you walked past a dump and came upon a three day old baby and (.)

That's what mm69 can't understand. He's comparing a comglomerate of forming cells to a fully formed macro oraganism.

[muscleforlife]

Fetus/parasite...

I went to the exhibit "Bodies" when it came to NYC.

It was fascinating to say the least, exposing the muscles, ligaments, tendons, veins, blood vessels, organs of the human body.  Some posed in real life action.
These were real people who had died, their bodies were preserved to be displayed to show the human body.

The embryos were jars in liquid, some of them were a few weeks old and no bigger than my pinky finger.

It does make one think about where life begins.
I still am pro choice.

Sandra

[BRUCE]

Fetus/parasite...

I went to the exhibit "Bodies" when it came to NYC.

It was fascinating to say the least, exposing the muscles, ligaments, tendons, veins, blood vessels, organs of the human body.  Some posed in real life action.
These were real people who had died, their bodies were preserved to be displayed to show the human body.

The embryos were jars in liquid, some of them were a few weeks old and no bigger than my pinky finger.

It does make one think about where life begins.
I still am pro choice.

Sandra

The foetus/parasite argument piqued my interest because of the tendencies of some within this debate to dehumanise what is essentially a human baby.  For me, it's worth debating.

Thanks for your post, Sandra.

[Camel Jockey]

Things have evolved, however they were created by a intelligent source

Oh brother..   What evidence do you have of this "intelligent source"? We know things evolved from not only natural selection, but also fossil records and simple observations. We do not know whether an "intelligent source" created anything or not, or whether an "intelligent source" even exists..

I see you decided to take a page out mightmouse's book.  

[ribonucleic]

I posted on your little 'gotcha' Wikipedia claim, RN - do you have any response to that, or am I to assume you have been significantly persuaded of your inaccuracy?

Are you referring to.... ?

Oh joy, you claim I display 'intellectual dishonesty' and then you link those two posts together.  Just so you know - I don't use my Encyclopaedia Britannica to develop views regarding the Bush Administration’s Iraq Doctrine, either.  Nor have I ever referred to a dictionary when contemplating the Venezuelan Socialist regime.

If so, the reason I didn't reply earlier was because I had no idea what you were talking about. 

I supported my straightforward use of the word "parasitic" by referring to a commonly used American dictionary. When you disagreed with that usage, I invited you to dispute the dictionary definition. Obviously unable to do so,  you instead tried to defend your convoluted use of the word by referring to a Wikipedia article - despite your having sneered at that source in one of our earlier jousts.

Are you going to claim that Wikipedia is sneerable when discussing politics but gospel when discussing science? 

[Camel Jockey]

The embryos were jars in liquid, some of them were a few weeks old and no bigger than my pinky finger.

It does make one think about where life begins.
I still am pro choice.

Sandra

HAHAHA and to think these pople think something the size of a pinky has the same rights as a fully formed human being.  

[muscleforlife]

Until I saw that exhibit, I really ddn't give a growing fetus much thought in the first few weeks.  I am a mother, so it is one thing to emotionally connect versus physically seeing your belly grow and the first kick.

Seeing the . form into a finger size being in a jar was eye opening.

Sandra

[BRUCE]

Are you referring to.... ?

If so, the reason I didn't reply earlier was because I had no idea what you were talking about. 

I supported my straightforward use of the word "parasitic" by referring to a commonly used American dictionary. When you disagreed with that usage, I invited you to dispute the dictionary definition. Obviously unable to do so,  you instead tried to defend your convoluted use of the word by referring to a Wikipedia article - despite your having sneered at that source in one of our earlier jousts.

Are you going to claim that Wikipedia is sneerable when discussing politics but gospel when discussing science? 

The quote you put from me above your diatribe answers your own inquiry.  Try reading it.

[ribonucleic]

Try reading it.

Did. Twice. Still made no sense. 

[BRUCE]

Did. Twice. Still made no sense. 

If I could take this mind and give its fortitude to your own, in an attempt to enlighten you, I would.

Until this enters the realms of possibility, you'll just have to live in brow-furrowed uncertainty.

[ribonucleic]

If I could take this mind and give its fortitude to your own, in an attempt to enlighten you, I would.

Until this enters the realms of possibility, you'll just have to live in brow-furrowed uncertainty.

I'll give Bruce his well-deserved rest. 

Can anyone else translate "I don't use my Encyclopaedia Britannica to develop views regarding the Bush Administration’s Iraq Doctrine, either.  Nor have I ever referred to a dictionary when contemplating the Venezuelan Socialist regime." into something resembling a point?

[BRUCE]

I'll give Bruce his well-deserved rest. 

Thank you.

[militarymuscle69]

Oh brother..   What evidence do you have of this "intelligent source"? We know things evolved from not only natural selection, but also fossil records and simple observations. We do not know whether an "intelligent source" created anything or not, or whether an "intelligent source" even exists..

I see you decided to take a page out mightmouse's book.  

No me and mightymouse aren't on the same page. I consider myself a creationevolutionist. LOL I am a religious person but don't take the bible litterally I think the bible as alot of symbolism in it (especially the end of the world scenario) Anyway, when I look around I can't help but think of how complex everything is and how everything has it's place in the world and it seems to me that there would have to be some sort of intelligence used in the design of things. Did the whole world begin with Adam and Eve and the whole 7 day deal (look out for the lightning striking me down) I don't know. Obviously science proves the dinosaurs right? Were adam and eve here during that? I'll ask the big man when I get to heaven. In the end I just don't buy the Big Bang theory.