US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran

[Nordic Superman]

America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

The operations are controversial because they involve dealing with movements that resort to terrorist methods in pursuit of their grievances against the Iranian regime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=UUAVXPRLGDJOHQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/02/25/wiran25.xml

Not exactly the approache I would undertake.

[24KT]

America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

The operations are controversial because they involve dealing with movements that resort to terrorist methods in pursuit of their grievances against the Iranian regime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=UUAVXPRLGDJOHQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/02/25/wiran25.xml

Not exactly the approache I would undertake.

And you find this surprising how?

When George Bush gave his speech at the start of the "War on Terror" very few believed him when he said the US would no longer fund and support terrorist groups. They didn't stop then, ...they've been doing it throughout the entire Iraq war, ...and they're not about to stop now.

[Nordic Superman]

I'm not suprised. Whatever it takes I say.

[Camel Jockey]

I'm not suprised. Whatever it takes I say.

So you supporting fighting terror with terror? The US should not have to stoop to this level..

[24KT]

This is what has started so many messes to begin with. When will they learn? The blowback is a bitch!

[Nordic Superman]

So you supporting fighting terror with terror? The US should not have to stoop to this level..

No, but how can you argue a delusional Canadian nymphomaniac who believes she's infallible?

[240 is Back]

I'm not suprised. Whatever it takes I say.

LOL!  You endorse terror, as long as it's us doing it!  HA!

[Nordic Superman]

LOL!  You endorse terror, as long as it's us doing it!  HA!

  Note my post above homo.

[BRUCE]

LOL!  You endorse terror, as long as it's us doing it!  HA!

Terror is dispicable whoever is doing it, I have serious doubts on this story, however.

[Hedgehog]

This is what has started so many messes to begin with. When will they learn? The blowback is a bitch!

Incredibly, but I find myself agreeing with this post of yours.

-Hedge

[240 is Back]

Note my post above ####.

Where you said "not exactly the approach I'd take"?

Are you condemning those actions?

[240 is Back]

Terror is dispicable whoever is doing it, I have serious doubts on this story, however.

Do you believe that in the past, America has funded "disruptive" groups in other nations to undermine their governments' ability to control the place?

[BRUCE]

Do you believe that in the past, America has funded "disruptive" groups in other nations to undermine their governments' ability to control the place?

I don't know, I should hope they haven't funded terrorist organisations though.

[240 is Back]

I don't know, I should hope they haven't funded terrorist organisations though.

If someone told you they funded resistance groups which committed terrorist acts, would you believe that?

[BRUCE]

If someone told you they funded resistance groups which committed terrorist acts, would you believe that?

Depends on who told me and what evidence they had.

[240 is Back]

Depends on who told me and what evidence they had.

Is it so hard to answer?  Do you, under any circumstances, endorse terrorism?

[Hedgehog]

Is it so hard to answer?  Do you, under any circumstances, endorse terrorism?

Look 240 or Bust, he's stated it depends on the credibility of the source and the evidence.

I think most of us could agree with that.

What does that has to do with endorsing terrorism?

-Hedge

[BRUCE]

Is it so hard to answer?  Do you, under any circumstances, endorse terrorism?

No, it's not hard to answer at all, consider how you phrased the question if you don't like my response.

I abhor terror regardless of the perpetrator, it's the epitome of cowardice - I do not, however, agree that the US has ever engaged in such activity.

[BRUCE]

Look 240 or Bust, he's stated it depends on the credibility of the source and the evidence.

I think most of us could agree with that.

What does that has to do with endorsing terrorism?

-Hedge

Thanks Hedge, that's what I was trying to get at.

[Hedgehog]

No, it's not hard to answer at all, consider how you phrased the question if you don't like my response.

I abhor terror regardless of the perpetrator, it's the epitome of cowardice - I do not, however, agree that the US has ever engaged in such activity.

Great post.

I do however think that USA on numerous occasions have supported acts of terrorism.

Look at the support of Contras during the 80's, eg.

-Hedge

[BRUCE]

Great post.

I do however think that USA on numerous occasions have supported acts of terrorism.

Look at the support of Contras during the 80's, eg.

-Hedge

I'm not sure, Hedge, it's a whole lot of information to consider and I honestly have no idea if the US has supported terrorist groups in adminstrations gone by.

I'd like to think that the current administration certainly doesn't assist terror, based on what I know and what I've seen.  As you know, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories that point the finger at the US government.

[240 is Back]

This is where Bruce acts uber-naive.

"We would NEVER knowingly help bad guys.  They did it without us knowing".

I expect something like that, just like "No one in America thought Saddam would use chem agents that we gave his universities during war to hurt his enemies".

it's a waste of time.  Bruce has a mindset that we do the right thing morally.  I'm under the impression we do very bad thigns when it's for the greater good.  he will invent scenarios and possibilities to explain away any list of things.  So it's pointless.

[BRUCE]

This is where Bruce acts uber-naive.

"We would NEVER knowingly help bad guys.  They did it without us knowing".

I expect something like that, just like "No one in America thought Saddam would use chem agents that we gave his universities during war to hurt his enemies".

it's a waste of time.  Bruce has a mindset that we do the right thing morally.  I'm under the impression we do very bad thigns when it's for the greater good.  he will invent scenarios and possibilities to explain away any list of things.  So it's pointless.

Is there any danger of you not making up quotes on my behalf and then using them in argument?

If I am indeed the mindless pro-US zombie you make me out to be (I'm not), then you are surely my opposite.

[240 is Back]

Is there any danger of you not making up quotes on my behalf and then using them in argument?

If I am indeed the mindless pro-US zombie you make me out to be (I'm not), then you are surely my opposite.

I didn't make up quotes.  I said i expected something like that.  Read.

And I love the USA.  But for the sake of discussions of history, I see no need to candycoat everything and create this fallacy of "we never meant for anything bad to happen - we was foooled."

I mean come on dude.  the argument you made that no one in the US knew saddam would take dangerous shit from his own universities, after we delivered them, while he was fighting a war at home and next door.

it's laughable.

I love the USA and I would stand in my yard with a rifle and fight off foreign aggressor.  I back her right or wrong.  But I am at least honest about the history of things.  And people who believe we became numero uno without getting a little dirt on our hands are, IMHO, dumb shits.  HTH.

[BRUCE]

I didn't make up quotes.  I said i expected something like that.  Read.

I did, and you didn't.

I mean come on dude.  the argument you made that no one in the US knew saddam would take dangerous shit from his own universities, after we delivered them, while he was fighting a war at home and next door.

it's laughable.

And you're the one that said the US gave Saddam WMD including anthrax and mustard gas - a claim you have absolutely no evidence to support.  I, on the other hand, gave the board UN and US Senate information to consider, proving this not to be the case.  If you'd like to debate me on the topic again, I'd be more than happy to show you up once again.