Are the Adonis Principles right for Matt C?

[McFarland]

He's actually suggesting that he would gain 25lbs of added muscle seeing how he's 180lbs now which would be around 165 with some decent cuts and in the end he will end up at 190lbs with the same defiintion.  Matt has been 200lbs before so with a bulking process along with gear 220lbs ain't that far off but at that weight he'd be up around 20%+ bf

Well I wanna know if it's gonna take Matt another year, or 3 more months before he can see his abs again and people perceive him as a person that carries an appreciable amount of muscle at a relatively low bodyfat level.  If Matt C knows he's gonna look and feel like shit for the next year before it starts to pay off, I'm not so sure of how stoked he's gonna be about taking this stuff seriously.      

[McFarland]

5'9 5'10 5'11 is a wet dream height for a bodybuilder,,
he can gain 40lb first cycle with no problems 10-12 weeks,,look at him carefully he already look like a smaller version of a bodybuilder,,,bodybuilding is not all size,,look at frank zane he was 190 sometimes less,,its not all in the size,,it is in the quality of muscle you carry,,

when i look at someone i look at the shape of their body,,the structure of their face,,adipose tissue and overall fat,,,
mattc already look in part like a juicer in his best pictures,,you know a cycle or 2 kinda oral juicer,,so if he really goes on the gear he will look like what he already look like but simply bigger,,biggger muscles,,,bigger muscles = lower bodyfat%,,,his muscles will mature faster and grow easier,,,its as simply as that

now,,if he already been 200lb then maybe he should wait,,,but you dont get any younger by waiting,,if you think of competing or if you think of taking your body to new levels,,age 24-26 is a very very very good age,,,age 30 is kinda old,,,

timing is everything

Would the first cycle you're referring to have to involve gh, insulin, more than 1500mg's of combined androgens/anabolics per week, or any combination thereof?  I'm not sure Matt C's gonna spring for that right out of the gate.  Actually, I'm not even sure he could benefit from that much this early on.  What are your thoughts on this, gh15?  Again, no disrespect intended, but what will be the sacrifices involved with Matt following your advice to achieve those types of gains?  From a realistic standpoint.           

[davidpaul]

Would the first cycle you're referring to have to involve gh, insulin, more than 1500mg's of combined androgens/anabolics per week, or any combination thereof? 

   


 id say yes.

[bmacsys]

Chicks dig muscle!!

Best way to figure out gh15's identity: which pro bodybuilders have genius level IQs (over 131)?  Not many, so that narrows it down!

Also,,, the whole multiple comma thing is BS,, just to try to throw people off. 

I will believe that gh15 is foreign, but a foreigner with a VERY good grasp of English...too good to actually come across as a foreigner. 

A genius IQ is 145 to 164. High genius is 165 to 180. Highest genius 180 to 200. Over 200 is unmeasurable.

[saucetradomous]

Well I wanna know if it's gonna take Matt another year, or 3 more months before he can see his abs again and people perceive him as a person that carries an appreciable amount of muscle at a relatively low bodyfat level.  If Matt C knows he's gonna look and feel like shit for the next year before it starts to pay off, I'm not so sure of how stoked he's gonna be about taking this stuff seriously.      

He really needs to start doing something eh?
I really don't think it would make much of a difference if he started jucing now as opposed to waiting until he puts on that extra 15-20lbs.  

Matt you've already built a base and you have nothing to lose.  You got your website as a secondary source of income to buy your gear and I'm sure you have connections by now.  I think your still stuck in the moral dillema and just don't want to admit it

[bmacsys]

gh15 = successful businessman (seller of gear).

Yup, he sold Steve Reeves his gear.

[gh15]

Would the first cycle you're referring to have to involve gh, insulin, more than 1500mg's of combined androgens/anabolics per week, or any combination thereof?  I'm not sure Matt C's gonna spring for that right out of the gate.  Actually, I'm not even sure he could benefit from that much this early on.  What are your thoughts on this, gh15?  Again, no disrespect intended, but what will be the sacrifices involved with Matt following your advice to achieve those types of gains?  From a realistic standpoint.           

nah brother mac

dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate

he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,

dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week

make sure you get legit products,,

no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,

[McFarland]

He really needs to start doing something eh?
I really don't think it would make much of a difference if he started jucing now as opposed to waiting until he puts on that extra 15-20lbs.  

Matt you've already built a base and you have nothing to lose.  You got your website as a secondary source of income to buy your gear and I'm sure you have connections by now.  I think your still stuck in the moral dillema and just don't want to admit it

Well like I said, I'm simply wondering if he'd be best served by working from here in a caloric deficit or surplus.  That's the bottom line.  What I'm saying is that he took the next 3 months to get really lean, then it seems to me that he would grow just as fast from there regardless, and probably at an even more accelerated rate.  Plus, he'd look better for the rest of his bodybuilding pursuits, from now on.      

[The True Adonis]

The bottom line is,

I am willing to take MATT C, down to his best possible NATURAL form.

What he does after that, is up to him.

But I can garauntee his result.

[scubaculture]

about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential)

 

[The True Adonis]

A year dick brains.

You don`t put on 10 lbs of muscle as a natural in a year.

The Natural Human body is not capable of doing that year after year.

[McFarland]

nah brother mac

dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate

he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,

dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week

make sure you get legit products,,

no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,

OK, I'm still listening, as I always do...so how clean should he be eating in order to do this?  I don't know how you wanna quantify that, but maybe in terms of grams of protein/carbs per day or just how many clean vs. how many dirty meals per week, considering that a typical clean meal would be 75-100 grams of oatmeal, rice or potatoes and I'm assuming 40-55 grams of high-quality protein.  And again, how long before anyone can appreciate his abs showing from when he starts this cycle?    

[The True Adonis]

Protein Synthesis does NOT stop in a caloric deficit by the way.

[ripitupbaby]

TA, is the info about your formula in chase's thread?  where is it posted?

[Unbiased]

Based on those numbers, which I fully believe, in Gold's Venice you'd be one of the strongest people currently training there.  Mike O' Hearn goes up to 585 or so on at least a semi-regular basis, although I'm not sure for how many reps...5-6 would sound about right.  I consider him the strongest, most consistent lifter in the gym.  Given your stats, I'd say he's just a little taller than you, and probably about the same body

[ripitupbaby]

That's what I'm saying here too Mcfarland, Squadfather is making a pretty hefty strength claim there even though he is downplaying it a lot.There is not a lot of natueral trainers that get 550 for reps, that is quite strong. So being that he's the first person to jump on anyone even remotely claiming a good lift i jumped on him, what's he special or something?

hahahaha  YES.   

[tweeter]

Matt C, I highly recommend that you begin using the Adonis Principles. You will not be disappointed.

[The True Adonis]

Lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?

As I said.

PROTEIN SYNTHESIS DOES NOT SHUT OFF IN A CALORIC DEFICIT.

[Palpatine Q]

nah brother mac

dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate

he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,

dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week

make sure you get legit products,,

no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,

Hey GH.  A question.

I'm not fishing for compliments here but looking at me, what would you recommend cycle wise?

I get thick as hell real easy but tend to hold water and have to watch my BF. My metabolism is what I call HONEST. if I eat clean, I look phenomenal but if i eat crap it shows instantly.

I often wonder what my body is capable of chemically and before it's too late I might gear up seriously just to see the results and get it on film (and maybe the stage).

[Palpatine Q]

Groink,

Off topic but there was a thread where gh15 was asked what fitness/figure girls are like personality wise, which got deleted for some reason.  In it you said you were with a girl who was so arrogant that she would stand in front of the mirror and say "Damn I'm perfect" and someone asked you "Well, was she perfect or what?  "

Well, was she?

On the outside......Yes.

5'8", about 135 lbs.

REAL 38 d's, legs up to her neck, great ass

Black hair green eyes perfect features flawless skin.

BUT...on the inside, she was the most narcissistic,self centered, downright MEAN person I've come across in a while.

For me to say that is saying something, because I'm not exactly Mr. Humble myself.

[Mr. Intenseone]

TA when are you going to actually unveil this formula with any of your case studies?

Like I said before, he's full of crap, he has no "formula" and what he seems to not include in his junk food "diet" is the nutritional value when it comes to eating clean, there is very little value in eating shit foods!

[wolfgang187]

I will tell you in instant message.

I don`t need all these people stealing the crux of my diet.

Who the hell wants to eat fast food and trans fats all day long, somebody on the Adonis nutrition principles.

[wolfgang187]

YES BUT THE ADONIS NUTRITION PRINCIPLES HAVE GOTTEN TO HER.  AS I HAVE POSTED IN THE PICTURE ABOVE.

[MisterMagoo]

That's what I'm saying here too Mcfarland, Squadfather is making a pretty hefty strength claim there even though he is downplaying it a lot.There is not a lot of natueral trainers that get 550 for reps, that is quite strong. So being that he's the first person to jump on anyone even remotely claiming a good lift i jumped on him, what's he special or something?

it's odd to find someone who out-squats their deadlift without gear. in fact i don't know of anyone who falls into that category. SF and i have roughly the same pull (545-ish) and he outsquats me by at least 100. i generally get 405 for 3 and 455 for 1 on a good day.

[Count Grishnackh]

Like I said before, he's full of crap, he has no "formula" and what he seems to not include in his junk food "diet" is the nutritional value when it comes to eating clean, there is very little value in eating shit foods!

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