Countries that allow homosexual people to serve openly in thier military

[OzmO]

you asshole, for the 8th time. There are gays yes. No commanders don't know

You don't deal with anger well do you?

They don't know or they can't prove it?

For example:  we all know OJ did it, but we couldn't prove it.

Yes or no?

[militarymuscle69]

You don't deal with anger well do you?

They don't know or they can't prove it?

For example:  we all know OJ did it, but we couldn't prove it.

Yes or no?

I don't KNOW OJ did it, neither do you. You Assume. The CCs don't KNOW there are gays

get to your fucking point..oh that's right you can't make a point so you will keep asking the same BS

[OzmO]

I don't KNOW OJ did it, neither do you. You Assume. The CCs don't KNOW there are gays

get to your fucking point..oh that's right you can't make a point so you will keep asking the same BS

So they have no clue?

So they HAVE no idea if a person is gay or not?

Do they think there are no gays at all?

How do you know if some is?


May point is this,  they know, you know, it's common knowledge.

that's what don;t ask don't tell does.....it allows gays to be in the military and you and other poeple/commanders know they are there.


So back to to YOUR assertion:  We are a conservative country with a conservative military best int he world........ and you have pointed out that there are gays in our military and we know about it!


Whether it's open or not, is a matter of title only.

Very little difference from the countries i listed.


BTW  calm down.

take some deep breaths.

Thanks for participating.   

[Dos Equis]

Is this like a contest to see who can insult each other the most?  It's a draw!   

[240 is Back]

You don't KNOW that OJ did it?

If you had to bet the rent check either way, which would you say?

[militarymuscle69]

You don't KNOW that OJ did it?

If you had to bet the rent check either way, which would you say?

I would bet yes, but I don't KNOW

[OzmO]

Is this like a contest to see who can insult each other the most?  It's a draw!   

actually we kind of stopped insulting each other a while ago,  but he's getting upset because of facts he's provided andi keep asking about them.

 

[militarymuscle69]

So they have no clue?

So they HAVE no idea if a person is gay or not?

Do they think there are no gays at all?

How do you know if some is?


May point is this,  they know, you know, it's common knowledge.

that's what don;t ask don't tell does.....it allows gays to be in the military and you and other poeple/commanders know they are there.


So back to to YOUR assertion:  We are a conservative country with a conservative military best int he world........ and you have pointed out that there are gays in our military and we know about it!


Whether it's open or not, is a matter of title only.

Very little difference from the countries i listed.


BTW  calm down.

take some deep breaths.

Thanks for participating.   

This is my last post and then I am done debating with someone as ignorant as you.

Your argument was that if other countries can have openly gay members why can't we. So don't try and call it just a title now. Your point is wrong. Don't try to change the argument to become right. You have never been right in anything you post. You are ignorant, and a child. I am done with this.

[OzmO]

This is my last post and then I am done debating with someone as ignorant as you.

Your argument was that if other countries can have openly gay members why can't we. So don't try and call it just a title now. Your point is wrong. Don't try to change the argument to become right. You have never been right in anything you post. You are ignorant, and a child. I am done with this.

hahahahahahha


thanks once more for your participation.   

GAME-SET-MATCH


Have fun running around arbitrarily calling women Sluts.  Maybe you should call your mom and ask her about what it means to be a gentlemen.

Re-read the military code and ask yourself if you are morally correct in not reporting a gay co-corker and then ask your self how much of hypocrite you are as you find out why people on this board call you a bigot.

go on telling your self your commanders don't know their are gay people in the military and deny we'd be any different if it was an open policy.  If it makes you sleep better at night good for you.

then look at other gay people in the military and deny their existence while cradling the "no open gays" policy and the UCMJ you cherish so much.

you are a pathetic piece of waste.

[240 is Back]

I would bet yes, but I don't KNOW

ya can't KNOW much in this world.

We attribute credibility to some people who tell us things, and it's sometimes true, sometimes not.  500 years ago, most people on earth KNEW the earth was flat and the Sun revolved around the earth.  Today, millions of people KNOW a lot of things that are gonna be shown as lies by history.

[OzmO]

ya can't KNOW much in this world.

We attribute credibility to some people who tell us things, and it's sometimes true, sometimes not.  500 years ago, most people on earth KNEW the earth was flat and the Sun revolved around the earth.  Today, millions of people KNOW a lot of things that are gonna be shown as lies by history.

ain't that the truth.   

[24KT]

Stop the spin, the military doesn't accept gays. And even this dude. If I ever saw him kiss some dude, or listen to him talk about it. I would have to out him and he knows that.

According to the current policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" you're obligated to report him now. afterall, ...he told you didn't he?

Common sense tells you that a conservative military in a conservative country will not accept gays.

We are the best military in the world because we hold our service members to the highest moral standards.

You consider the prisoner abuses at Abu Graib as having the highest moral standards? Resorting to torture is having the highest moral standards? Ignoring the rape of female personnel in Iraq is having the highest moral standards.

What then does common sense tell us about a conservative military that would condone & gloss over the rape of it's own personnel, while condemning sex between 2 consenting adults?

Highest moral standards my ass! You'll fill your ranks taking convicted felons, drug dealers and other criminals gladly, but balk at an honest upstanding law abiding gay person who wants to serve his/her country honourably?

The fact is, you've been the most powerful military because of the amount of money your country spends on it, and because of your technology. But as you're learning very quickly, more money & superior technology does not a victory make.

[militarymuscle69]

According to the current policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" you're obligated to report him now. afterall, ...he told you didn't he?

You consider the prisoner abuses at Abu Graib as having the highest moral standards? Resorting to torture is having the highest moral standards? Ignoring the rape of female personnel in Iraq is having the highest moral standards.

What then does common sense tell us about a conservative military that would condone & gloss over the rape of it's own personnel, while condemning sex between 2 consenting adults?

Highest moral standards my ass! You'll fill your ranks taking convicted felons, drug dealers and other criminals gladly, but balk at an honest upstanding law abiding gay person who wants to serve his/her country honourably?

The fact is, you've been the most powerful military because of the amount of money your country spends on it, and because of your technology. But as you're learning very quickly, more money & superior technology does not a victory make.

Look you dumb fucking canadian. All your arguments here support my claims. The Military does have the highest moral standards. That is why all of the people you just mentioned are no longer in the military. Show me where they "glossed" pver a rape. And the military doesn't take felons or drug dealers we kick out people that use drugs in the service. You know nothing about what you are talking about. We are winning tha war. You just have no clue.

[240 is Back]

We are winning tha war. You just have no clue.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA

monster neotainted delusion.

[24KT]

Look you dumb fucking canadian. All your arguments here support my claims. The Military does have the highest moral standards. That is why all of the people you just mentioned are no longer in the military. Show me where they "glossed" pver a rape.

http://www.suzanneswift.org

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military/print.html

And the military doesn't take felons or drug dealers we kick out people that use drugs in the service.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/02/waivers/print.html

You know nothing about what you are talking about. We are winning tha war. You just have no clue.

Keep telling yourself that.

[militarymuscle69]

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

monster neotainted delusion.

You tell me how we are losing oh great one

[militarymuscle69]

http://www.suzanneswift.org

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military/print.html
 

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/02/waivers/print.html


Keep telling yourself that.

Looks like she didn't win her case huh? Maybe more to the story then, oh no wait it has to be a male conspiracy. And oh wow, one former drug dealer joins the Army. We must kick out people on a daily basis for failing drug tests to cover it up. You don't know shit about the US military.

[Dos Equis]

You tell me how we are losing oh great one

Sounds like some people want us to lose.  They're even willing to rewrite history to say we we "lost."  The primary objective when the war began was removing Saddam.  That has been done. 

[militarymuscle69]

Sounds like some people want us to lose.  They're even willing to rewrite history to say we we "lost."  The primary objective when the war began was removing Saddam.  That has been done. 

They are pussies, they aren't patriots, they aren't willing to wait until a war is won. They are the desert storm generation that wants a war over in 30 days.

[tu_holmes]

Sounds like some people want us to lose.  They're even willing to rewrite history to say we we "lost."  The primary objective when the war began was removing Saddam.  That has been done. 

I don't think anyone wants the US military to lose... I know I don't.

I am however, realistic in the fact that this is a fight which we can not win... You see, I am very honest that there is no way WE can outlast THEM... This is THEIR home, not ours, and realistically, we can not possibly care as much about that area as they do... That's why they will ultimately be left alone.

Notice I do not say they will win... We will destroy them... we already have, but the reality is much like the British decided that the "Colonies" weren't worth the trouble.

We too will come to the realization that Iraq is not worth the trouble and we will leave.

[Dos Equis]

I don't think anyone wants the US military to lose... I know I don't.

I am however, realistic in the fact that this is a fight which we can not win... You see, I am very honest that there is no way WE can outlast THEM... This is THEIR home, not ours, and realistically, we can not possibly care as much about that area as they do... That's why they will ultimately be left alone.

Notice I do not say they will win... We will destroy them... we already have, but the reality is much like the British decided that the "Colonies" weren't worth the trouble.

We too will come to the realization that Iraq is not worth the trouble and we will leave.

I think there are plenty of people who want us to lose.  So far, Ribo is the only person honest enough to say this. 

Unless you rewrite history, we are not losing this war.  What we're failing to do is help stabilize certain parts of the country, which we didn't effectively plan for. 

[tu_holmes]

I think there are plenty of people who want us to lose.  So far, Ribo is the only person honest enough to say this. 

Unless you rewrite history, we are not losing this war.  What we're failing to do is help stabilize certain parts of the country, which we didn't effectively plan for. 

Perhaps your verbage is more closely accurate to what is happening... I simply considered the stabilization an extension of our "War"... I'm guessing you do not.

That's fair enough... I do not think we (The US Military) will ever be able to stablize the region as it's not up to us... it us entirely up to the Iraqi people. Plus, the longer we are there, the more excuse it gives the insurgency in the first place. As I said, they will always out last US.

Their people will ultimately decide whether or not things continue to blow up... That's really why I want our guys home... They are fighting a mission that they ultimately can not truly win. You can not beat them "at home".

[Dos Equis]

Perhaps your verbage is more closely accurate to what is happening... I simply considered the stabilization an extension of our "War"... I'm guessing you do not.

That's fair enough... I do not think we (The US Military) will ever be able to stablize the region as it's not up to us... it us entirely up to the Iraqi people. Plus, the longer we are there, the more excuse it gives the insurgency in the first place. As I said, they will always out last US.

Their people will ultimately decide whether or not things continue to blow up... That's really why I want our guys home... They are fighting a mission that they ultimately can not truly win. You can not beat them "at home".

I think we had several objectives going into the war, with the primary objective being the removal of Saddam.  I don't think we will ever completely stabilize the region and I don't think victory or defeat should be judged this way.  A new government is in place, which is a success.  I doubt this new government will ever have a time when pockets of resistance do not commit acts of terrorism.  I don't think either the U.S. or the new Iraqi government will ever be able to completely wipe all those guys out.

I want our men and women to come home too.   

[militarymuscle69]

I think we had several objectives going into the war, with the primary objective being the removal of Saddam.  I don't think we will ever completely stabilize the region and I don't think victory or defeat should be judged this way.  A new government is in place, which is a success.  I doubt this new government will ever have a time when pockets of resistance do not commit acts of terrorism.  I don't think either the U.S. or the new Iraqi government will ever be able to completely wipe all those guys out.

I want our men and women to come home too.   

I don't usually like tu_holmes but I am enjoying the educated debating goign on between you to. Nice change

[tu_holmes]

I don't usually like tu_holmes but I am enjoying the educated debating goign on between you to. Nice change

What? No Love? I can't imagine why... I'm quite even keeled... I just tend to not like Bush and his "Cronies".

It was not always this way... I voted for the guy in 2K... I just thought he was the best for the job at the time. I feel that my thoughts were incorrect though. Hindsight being 20/20 and all that.