War rallies over the weekend

[militarymuscle69]

Suprised I haven't seen anyone talk about the fact that 30,000+ war SUPPORTERS showed up as opposed to 10,000+ ANTI WAR fools.

[240 is Back]

Suprised I haven't seen anyone talk about the fact that 30,000+ war SUPPORTERS showed up as opposed to 10,000+ ANTI WAR fools.

too bad EVERY POLL TAKEN IN THE LAST 3 YEARS shows the opposite.

Also, who put on this rally?

[militarymuscle69]

too bad EVERY POLL TAKEN IN THE LAST 3 YEARS shows the opposite.

Also, who put on this rally?

It was 2 rallies. One Anti with Cindy Sheehan and Mrs. Clinton leading the charge. The other I'm not sure who organized it, but the hope was to have a anti rally like the Vietnam rallies with hundreds of thousands of people. This si still the first time I can remember such a turnout in favor of the war

[gymforlord]

It was 2 rallies. One Anti with Cindy Sheehan and Mrs. Clinton leading the charge. The other I'm not sure who organized it, but the hope was to have a anti rally like the Vietnam rallies with hundreds of thousands of people. This si still the first time I can remember such a turnout in favor of the war

I hadn't heard about them much-no.

[militarymuscle69]

I hadn't heard about them much-no.

You would have to watch FOX, I mean you can't expect main stream media to carry something like that

[240 is Back]

You would have to watch FOX, I mean you can't expect main stream media to carry something like that

so you're saying mainstream media isn't honest?

[gymforlord]

You would have to watch FOX, I mean you can't expect main stream media to carry something like that

Oh, I know-LOL! I had a bunch of stuff to do last nioght so missed! Good to hear from U!

[gymforlord]

so you're saying mainstream media isn't honest?

I don't think ANY media-mainstream or otherwise-is totally 100% honest really.

[Dos Equis]

Suprised I haven't seen anyone talk about the fact that 30,000+ war SUPPORTERS showed up as opposed to 10,000+ ANTI WAR fools.

I didn't hear.  The media avoids positive news about the war like the plague.  You can bet that if those numbers were reversed, it would have been front page news on CNN.    

[240 is Back]

I didn't hear.  The media avoids positive news about the war like the plague.  You can bet that if those numbers were reversed, it would have been front page news on CNN.    

the majority of the nation is against the war.  Period.

There are many polls which show this, and no polls which show otherwise.  One rally is no way to measure public support.  If you believe one rally shows the % of americans supporting it, but all those polls do not, you are a low grade subject who doesn't understand polling.

[gymforlord]

the majority of the nation is against the war.  Period.

There are many polls which show this, and no polls which show otherwise.  One rally is no way to measure public support.  If you believe one rally shows the % of americans supporting it, but all those polls do not, you are a low grade subject who doesn't understand polling.

I actually DO beleive that-BUT, I also think that a lot of those folk are also following the trend of the moment (like anything political). They are the same folk who were so Pro-War & now they are Anti-War because it is just more acceptable to be that way at the moment.

[Dos Equis]

The media drives public opinion.  The media dictates what we talk about.  I believe there is an ongoing concerted effort by outlets like CNN to report negative news, downplay or ignore positive news, and promote anti-war sentiment.  It is patently obvious.   

[240 is Back]

The media drives public opinion.  The media dictates what we talk about.  I believe there is an ongoing concerted effort by outlets like CNN to report negative news, downplay or ignore positive news, and promote anti-war sentiment.  It is patently obvious.   

Just like 2001 to 2004 were overwhelmingly pro-war reporting?

It's common knowledge that the media reports to how people feel.  If 75% of Americans supported Bush and his surge, then 75% of the media would report that way.

However, since polls show only 25% of America supports the surge, only 25% of the news outlet (FOX) covers that.

[OzmO]

Just like 2001 to 2004 were overwhelmingly pro-war reporting?

It's common knowledge that the media reports to how people feel.  If 75% of Americans supported Bush and his surge, then 75% of the media would report that way.

However, since polls show only 25% of America supports the surge, only 25% of the news outlet (FOX) covers that.

Makes sense to me. 

Who's responsible for Americans not wanting to support the war?  the reality of it or the news coverage?

[240 is Back]

Who's responsible for Americans not wanting to support the war?  the reality of it or the news coverage?

Media absolutely follows public opinion.  They ignored every oddity and question following 9/11 because the vast majority of americans didn't want ot hear it.

Today, they focus on the misdeeds of the White House, and the failure of the war.

If they're wrong, tell us   But the fact of the matter is, every week it's another scandal from those crooks, and the war is shite.  We're losing, sadly.

[OzmO]

Media absolutely follows public opinion.  They ignored every oddity and question following 9/11 because the vast majority of americans didn't want ot hear it.

Today, they focus on the misdeeds of the White House, and the failure of the war.

If they're wrong, tell us   But the fact of the matter is, every week it's another scandal from those crooks, and the war is shite.  We're losing, sadly.

So in other words the media is influence by it's viewers?  Not the Liberals?

[240 is Back]

So in other words the media is influence by it's viewers?  Not the Liberals?

the 'liberal' media was EXTREMELY supportive of Bush follow 9/11.  He got a free pass for reading 'my pet goat' instead of acting.  The completely dropped the reports of missiles, explosions, and other oddities with the 9/11 events.  The press also never mentioned the US/Taliban oil pipeline negotiations which failed right before 9/11 - HUGE in the war decision, right?

The media was, if anything, far-right after 911, when the population was far-right.  Your neotaints here forget that.  THey say "most of media is far left" but won't admit just how nice the repubs had things until 2004, when guess what, people tired of the war and almost put Kerry into office.

[youandme]

The media was, if anything, far-right after 911, when the population was far-right.  Your neotaints here forget that.  THey say "most of media is far left" but won't admit just how nice the repubs had things until 2004, when guess what, people tired of the war and almost put Kerry into office.

Also through the help of glorified country western stars cons were spreading like wildfire.

[militarymuscle69]

the majority of the nation is against the war.  Period.

There are many polls which show this, and no polls which show otherwise.  One rally is no way to measure public support.  If you believe one rally shows the % of americans supporting it, but all those polls do not, you are a low grade subject who doesn't understand polling.

You don't understand polling, and if having 30,000 feet on the ground, as opposed to 10,000 isn't just as accurate as a poll....LOL why even try to talk to such a Hater

[240 is Back]

You don't understand polling, and if having 30,000 feet on the ground, as opposed to 10,000 isn't just as accurate as a poll....LOL why even try to talk to such a Hater

I do understand polling.  I'm an MBA who took some advanced stats and logistics courses. 

Again, I invite you to tell us why the polls are inaccurate, scientifically.  I don't want to hear "my friend said that...".  Please back up your statement.

[militarymuscle69]

I do understand polling.  I'm an MBA who took some advanced stats and logistics courses. 

Again, I invite you to tell us why the polls are inaccurate, scientifically.  I don't want to hear "my friend said that...".  Please back up your statement.

wow MBA!!! I stand corrected. Basically middle americans don't participate in Polls, so they are left polling the coasts which is more liberal.

[rockyfortune]

most war supporters don't support the war but the troops fighting the war...at least..that's what the polls suggest....

i wouldn't say they are supporting war per se...just the boys fighting it...

[240 is Back]

wow MBA!!! I stand corrected. Basically middle americans don't participate in Polls, so they are left polling the coasts which is more liberal.

WOW, that is a huge statement which will discredit every major polling firm in America!

Before I call Zogby and tell them to close their doors, can you back up your claim?

(They usually go out of their way to poll groups of people from various demogrpahic groups in order to be assured they have an accurate sample within a specific %.)

Also, can you explain why these "liberal coast" residents were so Pro-Bush and Pro-War in 2001-2, but are not now.  Not sure you can argue this one...

[240 is Back]

Suprised I haven't seen anyone talk about the fact that 30,000+ war SUPPORTERS showed up as opposed to 10,000+ ANTI WAR fools.

I can't help but laugh at this one.  You're dodging bullets to defend a lie you were sold by a smooth recruiter.  You sure you see the fool in the room?

[Tre]

The media avoids positive news about the war like the plague.

Saddam was forcibly removed from office.  A lot of people viewed that as a positive thing.  This obviously got a lot of media coverage.

Of course, being an American, I would rather have seen him voted out of office in a fair election, but what the hell do I know about democracy?