Author Topic: 240 and I need help (Read 4797 times)

militarymuscle69 · « **on:** March 23, 2007, 11:08:01 AM »

Conversation from the other day about Bush's response to Katrina

Enigma: "MM....the guard should have been posted on the storm perimeter, waiting to rush food and water in. No excuses for the feds on that.

MM69: I'll concede that, but who controls the guard

What would people answer...

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:11:22 AM »

How much have you had to drink today $:-\$

Cavalier22 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:15:18 AM »

at the end of the day, the local govt, the state govt, and the people themselves need to take responsibility. the governor refused bush's request for aid days before Katrina broke but people never seem to remember that.

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:17:02 AM »

As soon as a Natural Disaster hits more than one State it's a responsibility of the Federal Government.

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:17:59 AM »

Quote from: Benfun7 on March 23, 2007, 11:17:02 AM

As soon as a Natural Disaster hits more than one State it's a responsibility of the Federal Government.

the federal government doesn't have that power.....

240 is Back · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:27:42 AM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:17:59 AM

the federal government doesn't have that power.....

Hi, FEMA.

240 is Back · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:29:00 AM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:17:59 AM

the federal government doesn't have that power.....

Federal Emergency Management Agency

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:39:18 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 11:29:00 AM

Federal Emergency Management Agency

Now FEMA controls the guard?

240 is Back · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:43:21 AM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:39:18 AM

Now FEMA controls the guard?

Ben: As soon as a Natural Disaster hits more than one State it's a responsibility of the Federal Government.

You: the federal government doesn't have that power.....

I then interjected with FEMA, which is a federeal agency that coordinates efforts with state and local level agencies and their resources to solve crisii.

mm69, you're obviously very embarassed about your oil misstep yesterday, and its' very clear I'm in your head. Settle down dude.

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:46:00 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 11:43:21 AM

Ben: As soon as a Natural Disaster hits more than one State it's a responsibility of the Federal Government.

You: the federal government doesn't have that power.....

I then interjected with FEMA, which is a federeal agency that coordinates efforts with state and local level agencies and their resources to solve crisii.

mm69, you're obviously very embarassed about your oil misstep yesterday, and its' very clear I'm in your head. Settle down dude.

MM69: I'll concede that, but who controls the guard

Ben: As soon as a Natural Disaster hits more than one State it's a responsibility of the Federal Government.

MM69: the federal government doesn't have that power.....

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:47:25 AM »

so 240 what happened to your claim that the Pres runs the guard, that bill didn't get passed...so you clearly didn't know who controlled the guard....Hmmm and I thought it was the tense of my question that confused you....

240 is Back · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:50:08 AM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:47:25 AM

so 240 what happened to your claim that the Pres runs the guard, that bill didn't get passed...so you clearly didn't know who controlled the guard....Hmmm and I thought it was the tense of my question that confused you....

this morning you agreed that bush had the power NOW, but that state had it THEN.

So were you wrong this morning and right now?

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:52:45 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 11:50:08 AM

this morning you agreed that bush had the power NOW, but that state had it THEN.

So were you wrong this morning and right now?

LOL I never said that Bush had power...hence the reason I researched it..so now you are going to try and spin this to me...come on Pussy admit you were wrong and then lied about being confused by the "tense" of my question...

240 is Back · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2007, 11:58:33 AM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:52:45 AM

LOL I never said that Bush had power...hence the reason I researched it..so now you are going to try and spin this to me...come on Pussy admit you were wrong and then lied about being confused by the "tense" of my question...

Ironic that you call me a pussy.

You must know pussy. You know math?

Perhaps you can explain why 130,000 is not greater than 2,000.

Pussy.

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:00:00 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 11:58:33 AM

Ironic that you call me a pussy.

You must know pussy. You know math?

Perhaps you can explain why 130,000 is not greater than 2,000.

Pussy.

How are you trying to change the subject now?

240 is Back · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:18:38 PM »

man, this issue is old. i didn't know the 'bush taking contorl of the guard' issue was still in the pipeline. i definitely knew that state ran it during katrina.

militarymuscle69 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:24:06 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 23, 2007, 12:18:38 PM

man, this issue is old. i didn't know the 'bush taking contorl of the guard' issue was still in the pipeline. i definitely knew that state ran it during katrina.

works for me

Dos Equis · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2007, 03:51:21 PM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:08:01 AM

Conversation from the other day about Bush's response to Katrina

Enigma: "MM....the guard should have been posted on the storm perimeter, waiting to rush food and water in. No excuses for the feds on that.

MM69: I'll concede that, but who controls the guard

What would people answer...

Sounds like 240 didn't fare too well. I guess if you're to attack someone and call them stupid, while claiming to know "the facts," you better actually have the facts straight.

Tre · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2007, 03:57:29 PM »

There was a lot of bureaucratic BS during that crisis, but the reports of the STATE police not allowing aid trucks to pass are true, well...that still begs the question of why the federal authorities didn't step in and see to it that people got fresh water to drink.

If we were talking about a Boy Scout jamboree in a dire emergency, do you think the water would've gotten to the people who needed it?

Kids dying in Iraq to make Bush's friends rich beyond belief (all being financed by the American people, of course) and we can't deliver water to an American city??

I told them that their best move would've been to declare themselves a part of a foreign country and then the aid would've been there in 24 hours or less.

OzmO · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2007, 05:06:15 PM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:08:01 AM

Conversation from the other day about Bush's response to Katrina

Enigma: "MM....the guard should have been posted on the storm perimeter, waiting to rush food and water in. No excuses for the feds on that.

MM69: I'll concede that, but who controls the guard

What would people answer...

As far as i can tell: YES, but he has to declare Marshall law first.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Bush_Seeks_New_Power_Over_Guard_999.html

the item about the Bush controlling the guard is part of the 2007 defense authorization bill

wikapedia reports it singed by BUSH in October of 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._5122_(2006)

So we are arguing over "tense" now Grin

I pitty the fool trying to mess with my "tense"! Kiss

The Enigma · « **Reply #20 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:49:03 PM »

Quote from: militarymuscle69 on March 23, 2007, 11:17:59 AM

the federal government doesn't have that power.....

The federal government doesn't have the power??

Who do you suppose is sending our "National Guard" troops to Iraq........the Governors??

Please........don't be silly.

Wombat · « **Reply #21 on:** March 23, 2007, 09:31:17 PM »

Bush will declare Marshall Law and then you will have your answer..Its coming

240 is Back · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2007, 09:42:01 PM »

I don't think so.

I know there is always that option available to him if things got messy here, but the higher powers would lose a shitload of money. Our already teetering economy and RE market would collapse. And Bush/cheney would stop earning, personally.

I remember reading these same things 15 years ago. I think the threat is always there, but the economy would just collapse and tax dollars would end since people would stop going to work.

Now, if a rummy or silverstein deathbed confession video were to hit youtube and the world suddenly found out about 911 and people got violent, then yes, it would happen. But I think opportunisitic senators who knew all along would get in front of it and lead the charge for the show trials, appeasing the masses as they watched the fall guys on CourtTV.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2007, 09:51:16 PM »

Quote from: The Enigma on March 23, 2007, 06:49:03 PM

The federal government doesn't have the power??

Who do you suppose is sending our "National Guard" troops to Iraq........the Governors??

Please........don't be silly.

National guard troops can be "federalized" (made part of the regular army under federal control), but once you do that, you can't use them for law enforcement domestically due to posse comatatus.

National Guard troops responding to disasters within the United States are under the control of state governors, not the President.

OzmO · « **Reply #24 on:** March 24, 2007, 09:27:12 AM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on March 23, 2007, 09:51:16 PM

National guard troops can be "federalized" (made part of the regular army under federal control), but once you do that, you can't use them for law enforcement domestically due to posse comatatus.

National Guard troops responding to disasters within the United States are under the control of state governors, not the President.

the governors control can be taken away with one act: Marshall Law.