We should believe everything the govt tells us: YES or NO?

[240 is Back]

Take a stance, people.

Answer, then explain your position.

[militarymuscle69]

Take a stance, people.

Answer, then explain your position.

how can anyone trust everything the government says? Both sides are scoundrels for the most part.

[240 is Back]

how can anyone trust everything the government says? Both sides are scoundrels for the most part.

My follow-up question will be to ask those who say "No" the following question:

What is the biggest thing you believe the govt would lie about, and why do you believe that is the cutoff?

In other words, would some people in power steal $1000 and lie about it?  $10,000?  At what number would their conscious stop them?

[youandme]

No, once a man has power his conscious knows no boundries.

[Straw Man]

google the The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment and you'll know  my answer

[militarymuscle69]

My follow-up question will be to ask those who say "No" the following question:

What is the biggest thing you believe the govt would lie about, and why do you believe that is the cutoff?

In other words, would some people in power steal $1000 and lie about it?  $10,000?  At what number would their conscious stop them?

If you ask me, every time they take money from a Lobbiest, they are stealing.

[240 is Back]

Next question -

Would those in power allow ONE MAN to die if it meant his death would provide the justification for actions leading to world energy supremacy?   In other words, would they let one innocent man die, if it meant it would put them in a position to remain a superpower?

Yes or No?

[Straw Man]

Next question -

Would those in power allow ONE MAN to die if it meant his death would provide the justification for actions leading to world energy supremacy?   In other words, would they let one innocent man die, if it meant it would put them in a position to remain a superpower?

Yes or No?

are you kidding?

[240 is Back]

are you kidding?

Dude, they have sworn to protect us.  The law says that even for $50 trillion in oil (well, currently that value, but it will rise), they wouldn't let one man die.

mm69 and beach bum, I await your answers.

[beatmaster]

never!!!

[240 is Back]

never!!!

I agree.  The law is the law, and our leaders would follow it no matter what.

mm69 and beach bum, wouldn't you agree?

[Straw Man]

Dude, they have sworn to protect us.  The law says that even for $50 trillion in oil (well, currently that value, but it will rise), they wouldn't let one man die.

mm69 and beach bum, I await your answers.

you posed the question as "those in power" which I assume is the current administration. 

Do you think they give a shit about ONE human or ten, one hundred, etc...  How many died in Katrina while Bush strummed a guitar not to mention certain CT's surrounding 9-11

[OzmO]

NO, you shouldn't believe everything anybody tells you,  even your mom.

[Purge_WTF]

  The Republicans seem to think "yes" these days.

[Cavalier22]

no

but neither should we believe everything that the media tells us.

[240 is Back]

no

but neither should we believe everything that the media tells us.

Media changes their focus based upon public opinion.  After 9/11 and anthrax, Bush walked on water and NO ONE questioned him.  After iraq mess, they criticize everything he does.

Prob is, people who get mad about the hard left bias today, weren't so upset with the hard right bias from 01 to 03.

[militarymuscle69]

Next question -

Would those in power allow ONE MAN to die if it meant his death would provide the justification for actions leading to world energy supremacy?   In other words, would they let one innocent man die, if it meant it would put them in a position to remain a superpower?

Yes or No?

Hello, we fight wars to remain a superpower..and I'm not talking about just oil...we sacrifice lives to remain the big dog on the porch everyday.

[Hugo Chavez]

actually you're pretty good to go if you take the opposite of what the gov says to be closer to reality.  It most often turns out that way.

[240 is Back]

Hello, we fight wars to remain a superpower..and I'm not talking about just oil...we sacrifice lives to remain the big dog on the porch everyday.

Would they let TWO innocent people die, if it meant taking control of the world's greatest resource, and remaining the largest superpower?

[militarymuscle69]

Would they let TWO innocent people die, if it meant taking control of the world's greatest resource, and remaining the largest superpower?

they didn't kill thousands in 9/11 to get oil....stop with the fishing expedition

[240 is Back]

they didn't kill thousands in 9/11 to get oil....stop with the fishing expedition

Who said "kill"?

The premise of this thread was "let innocents die".

And, no offense, but just like everyone else, neither you nor me have the answers to this one.  For EITHER of us to believe we know everyhting about 9/11 is fcking asinine. 

[militarymuscle69]

Who said "kill"?

The premise of this thread was "let innocents die".

And, no offense, but just like everyone else, neither you nor me have the answers to this one.  For EITHER of us to believe we know everyhting about 9/11 is fcking asinine. 

Intelligent americans "know" the government wouldn't "let innocent people die" for oil....

[240 is Back]

Intelligent americans "know" the government wouldn't "let innocent people die" for oil....

If this is truly your position and your belief, I am not sure you and I will ever reach anything near a consensus on this topic.

Good day mate.

[militarymuscle69]

If this is truly your position and your belief, I am not sure you and I will ever reach anything near a consensus on this topic.

Good day mate.

No shit dummy....we can't reach a consensus on anything because you don't want to hear both sides of the story on any topic.

[240 is Back]

No shit dummy....we can't reach a consensus on anything because you don't want to hear both sides of the story on any topic.

well, you resort to name calling immediately.  Which shows you're frustrated. 

Okay, both sides.  Let's do it!

My side:  All world govts are utilitarian govts.  They do what is of the greatest value for the greatest # of people. 

7000 people die daily in america from various causes.  If letting 3,000 more die on 9/11/01 meant that the US would get the world and domestic blank check to secure oil and position in the most valuable region on earth - checking the Rus and China advances for at least another 20+ years while keeping our fuel dependency checked, and 300 mil people would live safer better lives because of it, I think they would do it. 

That is one side.  Please tell me why it's unrealisitic.