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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2007, 03:36:09 PM »
I am sure you will now try to put it in your articles since I raised your concisousness to this issue.

This seems to be the trend lately as I see alot of my pontifications showing up in many publications.


At least I am making your job easier.  Hopefully, you won`t put a spin on this like you do almost everything else.



are you aware that this term is pejorative (unless you happen to be a pontiff that is)?

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2007, 03:42:12 PM »
Cool study how about you look up some more, and get back to us on the thermic effect of food?
I have already discussed the meaningless of it:

WHY THE THERMIC EFFECT OF FOOD IS MEANINGLESS!!!!!!!!! for the 98435890435834 time.

Protein has a Thermic effect of about 15% wheras carbohydrates are around 10% as studies indicate.

What this represents is the calories burned through digestion.  There is not a significant variance to even matter.

Lets say one takes in 300 grams of carbs or 1200 calories.  10 percent burned is going to be 120 calories.

Now lets compare 300 grams of protein or 1200 calories.  180 calories are going to be burned in digestion.

The variance of 60 calories means nothing.  Typing on the computer for an hour also burns 60 calories.

Hope this helps you guys. 
 
 

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2007, 03:56:15 PM »
sumowrestlers are well known to just eat one meal a day, it helps them build up adipose-tissue.

keith speak on this.

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2007, 04:15:10 PM »

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2007, 04:35:42 PM »
Multiple meals are not very beneficial as all evidence indicates.

WRONG! This study did not measure metabolic rate  - but did give CRUDE measurements of body fat (minor change) and a significant NEGATIVE change in cardiac risks factors (lipids and blood pressure) - so perhaps you save a 0.5% of body fat but reduce lifespan by increasing risk of heart disease and stoke...not smart!
Also they used BIA to measure body fat - it is highly inaccurate compared to DXA (DEXA). The change they observed is within the error range for BIA testing!

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2007, 08:38:06 PM »
Multiple meals are not very beneficial as all evidence indicates.

In terms of weight loss/maintenance - no - that's old news.  The British Journal of Nutrition has reported on various studies since the early 80's.  However, there are several other reasons multiple meals are beneficial.
example:


Nibbling Versus Gorging: Prolonged Carbohydrate Absorption
by Tanya Zilberter, PhD

"Recently, the health benefits of so-called " nibbling versus gorging" phenomenon, when starchy meals are eaten frequently but in smaller amounts, is broadly discussed."

The beneficial effects of prolonged carbohydrate absorption are observed even with the same carbohydrate form: since 1930s, it is well known to diabetics and their doctors that when glucose is sipped slowly rather than gulped, less insulin is needed to control blood glucose concentrations.

Effects of Meal Frequency Increase

An average American eats an average 3.12 meals a day. Is it enough? How does meal timing affect one's body weight and general health? How does it influence one's appetite and muscle mass?

Ever thought what makes you start and finish eating? Right, hunger makes you start and feeling full makes you stop. But how about breakfast? They say it's the most important part of your meal plan and you eat it just for the sake of it. How about snacking, should you have snacks? How often? Don't we take for granted that skipping breakfasts and having two square meals a day is bad for you? Bad for what exactly? Let's see if there's any rationale behind.

Studies have demonstrated that a good breakfast is usually associated with an improvement in mental tasks performance later in the morning, while lunch does exactly the opposite, plus it has rather negative effects on mood. Late in the afternoon, meals appear to have a positive effect on tasks involving sustained attention or memory. (British Journal of Nutrition. 77 Suppl 1:S105-18, 1997)

Recently, researchers in Johannesburg, South Africa, reported that frequent meals reduced appetite by 27%! This is how they figured it out. One group of healthy overweight men had a big breakfast, then next meal only after 5 hours when they had nothing to eat. Another group ate the same amount of same food but divided in 5 hourly meals. Guess who ate more when after these 5 hours they had an "all you can eat" meal? Yes, the gorgers did. What's more, compared to them, the nibblers had much more favorable insulin and blood glucose profiles. (International Journal of Obesity & Related Metabolic Disorders. 23(11):1151-9, 1999).

These favorable blood readings can explain the fact that more frequent meals can be protective against cardiovascular diseases. For example, in the Department of Vascular Surgery, Charing Cross Hospital, London, doctors investigated how habitual meal frequency influenced atherosclerosis. After they made the necessary adjustment for 120 patients' age, sex, smoking, diabetes, blood pressure, and body mass index, the odds for peripheral arterial disease among those eating between meals (grazing) compared with those who did not, was 1:2. (Journal of Cardiovascular Risk. 6(1):19-22, 1999)

Now, how about weight loss? Scandinavian researchers reported that competitive boxers who tried to lose weight by reducing their calorie intake, lost same amount of body weight, but it was mostly lean body mass loss in those who had their ration in two square meals compared with those who had 6 meals a day. (Scandinavian Journal of Medicine & Science in Sports. 6(5):265-72, 1996)

To tell you the truth, while dieticians and nutritionists seem to adopt the "nibbling versus gorging" model of daily meal planning, not all doctors agree with it. Many diet reviewers concluded that there's no sufficient long term studies proving the benefits of "nibbling". For example, Nutrition Research Group, University of Surrey, UK, did not confirm that nibbling is beneficial in reducing the concentrations of lipid and hormones on the long run. (European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 50(8):491-7, 1996).

It is interesting, that intake of more than two cups of coffee a day had a protective effect against cancer (Nutrition & Cancer. 30(3):182-5, 1998) thus providing a simple measure to counterpart the negative effect while keeping the possible benefits of frequent meals.

The benefits of carbohydrate control by reducing portion and increasing frequencies of meals.
# Lower total cholesterol levels in clinical experiments
# Lower total cholesterol levels in population studies
# Cholesterol synthesis was reduced
# Low-density lipoprotein (ldl) cholesterol ("bad" cholesterol) reduction
# Lower levels of apolipoprotein b ("very bad" stuff)
# Reduced insulin secretion
# The lower insulin levels
# Depressed glucose levels
# Increased bile acid secretion
# Suppressed free fatty acids levels
# Reduced serum uric acid levels (risk factor for coronary heart disease)
# Increased urinary uric acid excretion
# Reduced adipose tissue enzyme levels
# Reduced fluctuations in satiety

Sources

Bertelsen J, Christiansen C, Thomsen C et al. (1993) Effect of meal frequency on blood glucose, insulin, and free fatty acids in NIDDM subjects. Diabetes Care 16:3-7.

Jenkins DJA, Wolever TMS, Taylor RH et al. (1980) Rate of digestion of foods and post-prandial glycaemia in normal and diabetic subjects. British Medical Journal 2:14-17.

Jenkins DJA, Wolever TMS, Ocana AM, Vuksan V, Cunanne SC and Jenkins MJA (1990) Metabolic effects of reducing rate of glucose ingestion by single bolus versus continuous sipping. Diabetes 39:775-781.

Jones PJH, Leitch CA and Pederson RA (1993) Meal frequency effects of plasma hormone concentrations and cholesterol synthesis in humans. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 57:868-874.
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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2007, 08:48:35 PM »
The perfect diet for my occasional all-day, half the night bout of binge drinking followed by a cheeseburger and fries.

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2007, 08:57:16 PM »
Adam wouldn't common sense tell you that that body can only process a certain amount of calories at a given time before turning the rest into waste matter?

so with that said wouldn't it be make sense to spead out your calories to make more effiecient use of it?

if you consume 2,000 in one sitting how much of that is the body able to actually use?
as compared to 4 meals of 500 cals
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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2007, 08:58:21 PM »
don't worry Princess L, once he searches google and finds some text to copy and paste he will respond to you
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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2007, 09:00:54 PM »
Adam wouldn't common sense tell you that that body can only process a certain amount of calories at a given time before turning the rest into waste matter?

so with that said wouldn't it be make sense to spead out your calories to make more effiecient use of it?

if you consume 2,000 in one sitting how much of that is the body able to actually use?
as compared to 4 meals of 500 cals
That rate is not yet known and moreover, largely dependent upon need.

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2007, 09:13:43 PM »
I do not count meals per se`.


Usually I have 2 times that I eat.  

My first time eating is around 300-600 calories or so.  Lately, I have been eating gazpacho for these calories.
My final time eating around 1100-1300 calories.  This is usually a recipe from a Food Network Chef, whatever I want, and ALWAYS 2-3 glasses of Red Wine.


For instance yesterday I had 2 bowls of Gazpacho,

Then before I went to bed, I had Bobby Flay`s Macaroni and Cheese Carbonara which contains Whole Milk, and 5 Different kinds of cheeses.  With this recipe, he beat the most recognized Macaroni and cheese chef in America.  This is THE BEST you can get.

With that, I also had a slice of Paula Deen`s, Better than Sex Cake. Very good!!!  I drank my 3 glasses of wine with this meal.





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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2007, 09:28:33 PM »

I still haven't made up my mind on whether to take TA seriously or not ???


If he's really just here to stir everyone up and piss you guys off..............then he's an artist!!  ;D
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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2007, 09:36:34 PM »
I don't understand all of the mystic ideals on eating. If you are consuming nutrients at one one meal and one meal only, guess what happens? Your body speeds up the rate of utilization of nutrients. After a certain point, your body goes on cycle and knows it is not getting fed for 24 hours, and it simply becomes more efficient at absorption through digestion.

If a person ate a shitload of protein 6 times a day, the body is not nearly as efficient as it woulb be if you ate that protein once. I am not saying that you should eat like this, but it does not go more in more absorbed. Consuming exess amounts of anything is either wasted or turned to fat. A body that has it's carb/pro/fat needs meant will not use 1/1 millionth more than it needs.

But by all means, continue eating 6 meals and 3-500 grams of protein.

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2007, 08:55:21 AM »
I don't understand all of the mystic ideals on eating. If you are consuming nutrients at one one meal and one meal only, guess what happens? Your body speeds up the rate of utilization of nutrients. After a certain point, your body goes on cycle and knows it is not getting fed for 24 hours, and it simply becomes more efficient at absorption through digestion.

If a person ate a shitload of protein 6 times a day, the body is not nearly as efficient as it woulb be if you ate that protein once. I am not saying that you should eat like this, but it does not go more in more absorbed. Consuming exess amounts of anything is either wasted or turned to fat. A body that has it's carb/pro/fat needs meant will not use 1/1 millionth more than it needs.

But by all means, continue eating 6 meals and 3-500 grams of protein.

Thanks, I will, considering the first two years of working out I ate 2-3 times per day max and saw little results in way of muscle mass gain, only moderate (newbie) strength gains. But when I switched to eating 4-5 meals at roughly 40-60 grms of protein per meal I saw exponentially more strength, muscle, etc....WITH A PROGRESSIVE DECREASE IN BODYFAT % to this day!! Yes I am natural and have been BB for 12 years this June. Hows that for effieciency?  ;)

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2007, 12:03:09 PM »
I do not count meals per se`.


Usually I have 2 times that I eat. 

My first time eating is around 300-600 calories or so.  Lately, I have been eating gazpacho for these calories.
My final time eating around 1100-1300 calories.  This is usually a recipe from a Food Network Chef, whatever I want, and ALWAYS 2-3 glasses of Red Wine.


For instance yesterday I had 2 bowls of Gazpacho,

Then before I went to bed, I had Bobby Flay`s Macaroni and Cheese Carbonara which contains Whole Milk, and 5 Different kinds of cheeses.  With this recipe, he beat the most recognized Macaroni and cheese chef in America.  This is THE BEST you can get.

With that, I also had a slice of Paula Deen`s, Better than Sex Cake. Very good!!!  I drank my 3 glasses of wine with this meal.





What happened to your preference for Oreos, Krispy Kremes, Ben & Jerrys and McDonald's Cheeseburgers?

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2007, 12:12:10 PM »
Adonis, thanks for the post and I am glad you a posting studies that use human clinical data to prove a theory rather than animals. But this quote from these esteemed scientists is really too preposterous to let slide.

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A diet with less meal frequency can improve the health and extend the lifespan of laboratory animals, but its effect on humans has never been tested.


hahahaha Oh brother what amazing science, My God how did they do it?  ::). I wonder how much of our tax dollars were spent overfeeding laboratory animals. Of course a caged animal with barely enough room to move about, never getting out, isolated from any contact is going to benefit from one meal a day rather than frequent meals. They cant move, they cant exercise, some aren't even given enough room to stretch their legs. Using that as a basis for a human study? what bullshit government fraud. This is where your tax dollars are going people.

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2007, 12:35:02 PM »
I still haven't made up my mind on whether to take TA seriously or not ???


If he's really just here to stir everyone up and piss you guys off..............then he's an artist!!  ;D
Maybe i'm the only one he doesn't get to, i just ignore him because all this one meal a day nonsense is utter bullshit.
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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2007, 07:09:01 PM »
Never read just the abstracts.  There are a lot of reasons to take this with a grain of salt.  The total sample size was 15, with 6 dropouts (5/6 droputs were from the one meal group).  The sample itself was said to be homogenous (no fatties, probably no bodybuilders). 

But my main issue with this is the following: Typically, the 6-meals a day or whatever diet is reccomended to avoid overfeeding on certain meals (i.e. dinner).  This particular research did not allow that.  The one-meal a day diet had an average energy intake of 2364kcal, the 3-meal had an average energy intake of 2429kcal; the authors state "It is interesting that body weight and body fat decreased in the 1 meal/d diet, which may be partially explained by a slight deficit of 65 kcal in daily energy intake. This change in body composition may also be influenced by the effect that eating patterns could have on metabolic activity." 

Another problem is the high dropout rate for the one-meal group:
"Complete data were analyzed and are presented for 15 subjects. In the 3 meal/d diet arm, 1 subject withdrew because of food dislikes. During the 1 meal/d diet, 5 subjects withdrew because of scheduling conflicts and health problems unrelated to the study. Only 1 of the 5 subjects withdrew specifically becauseof an unwillingness to consume the 1 meal/d diet."

That sounds fishy to me.  What are the odds that 5 people have scheduling conflicts with eating one meal a day and none of those that had to show up 3x a day had scheduling conflicts?  IMO, it sounds like a lot of the one-mealers quit for reasons other than scheduling conflicts.  Maybe they were gaining weight and knew it and said "fuck this."

I wouldn't rule this whole thing out, but the really small sample size and the homogeneity really work against taking this too seriously.  They'll probably try to replicate it again with a larger sample, but this one had a very high dropout rate.  But take a look at the number of authors listed on this article...there's about as many authors as there are study participants!  Who wants tenure?

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2007, 08:10:10 PM »
don't worry Princess L, once he searches google and finds some text to copy and paste he will respond to you

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2007, 08:11:36 PM »
What happened to your preference for Oreos, Krispy Kremes, Ben & Jerrys and McDonald's Cheeseburgers?

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How about the McDonald's diet he was supposed to do?

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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2007, 08:49:27 PM »
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Re: NEW STUDY! REDUCE Meal Frequency=Reduction in Fat mass,Cortisol
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2007, 08:59:35 PM »
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