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Oops, they did it again
« on: April 13, 2007, 08:10:14 AM »
Political advisers to President Bush may have improperly used their Republican National Committee e-mail accounts to conduct official government business, and some communications that are required to be preserved under federal law may be lost as a result, White House officials said Wednesday. - New York Times, April 12, 2007

A secret FBI intelligence unit helped detain a group of war protesters in a downtown Washington parking garage in April 2002 and interrogated some of them on videotape about their political and religious beliefs, newly uncovered documents and interviews show. For years, law enforcement authorities suggested it never happened. The FBI and D.C. police said they had no records of such an incident. - Washington Post, April 3, 2007

In DOJ documents that were publicly posted by the House Judiciary Committee, there is a gap from mid-November to early December in e-mails and other memos, which was a critical period as the White House and Justice Department reviewed, then approved, which U.S. attorneys would be fired while also developing a political and communications strategy for countering any fallout from the firings. - The Politico, March 24, 2007

The disclosure that the Pentagon had lost a potentially important piece of evidence in one of the U.S. government's highest-profile terrorism cases was met with claims of incredulity by some defense lawyers and human-rights groups monitoring the case. "This is the kind of thing you hear when you're litigating cases in Egypt or Morocco or Karachi," said John Sifton, a lawyer with Human Rights Watch, one of a number of groups that has criticized the U.S. government's treatment of Padilla. "It is simply not credible that they would have lost this tape. The administration has shown repeatedly they are more interested in covering up abuses than getting to the bottom of whether people were abused." - Newsweek, February 27, 2007

[Federal Emergency Management Agency Michael] Brown's comments about the president surfaced in a transcript of an Aug. 29, 2005, videoconference call produced by Bush administration officials today after they initially told Congress that no such document existed. - Newsweek, March 1, 2006

The White House failed to archive some e-mails in accordance with normal procedures in 2003, according to a letter from a special prosecutor investigating the leak of a CIA operative's identity. - New York Sun, February 2, 2006

Key documents are missing from the batch of newly declassified documents the White House released this week on its policies on torture and the treatment of prisoners, critics say. Absent are any memos to and from the FBI and CIA and any documents dated after April 2003. No documents address the State Department's concern over the Bush administration's interpretation of the Geneva Conventions. - NPR, June 24, 2004

The Pentagon sought Sunday to explain why some 2,000 pages were missing from a congressional copy of a classified report detailing the alleged acts of abuse by soldiers against Iraqi inmates at Abu Ghraib prison.  - USA Today, May 24, 2004

Documents that should have been written to explain gaps in President Bush's Texas Air National Guard service are missing from the military records released about his service in 1972 and 1973, according to regulations and outside experts. - Associated Press, September 5, 2004

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<< As an attorney who deals with subpoenas and requests for electronic documents on a regular basis, I can tell you that if a private entity--particularly one subject to legally mandated record keeping requirements--were to inform government investigators seeking such documents that they had been "mishandled" and were now "lost," that entity would immediately find itself in a world of hurt and would be lucky if it survived the aftermath.

No amount of talking would be enough to convince the authorities that there was an innocent explanation for the missing documents. They would be absolutely convinced that the "mishandled" documents were intentionally destroyed in order to cover up wrongdoing. >>


And that is particularly true if -- as is true for the Bush administration -- the party claiming to have "lost" or "mishandled" such key evidence had a long history of making such claims repeatedly with the effect of blocking investigations. And the presumption of corrupt intent would be stronger still if, as in the case of the Bush administration, one of the party's highest officials was recently found guilty of multiple counts of obstruction of justice and false statements for lying to FBI investigators and to a federal grand jury.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=%2Fopinion%2Fgreenwald%2F2007%2F04%2F12%2Flost_documents%2F

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 08:15:32 AM »
Pathetic.


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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 08:20:01 AM »
Pathetic.

The board righties seem to have only 3 options here...

1. < crickets >

2. Claiming that this is not a criminal pattern of behavior - but merely continuous endemic extreme incompetence

3. Ignoring the facts and attacking me instead

I'm betting on #3.  :)

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 08:28:23 AM »
The board righties seem to have only 3 options here...

1. < crickets >

2. Claiming that this is not a criminal pattern of behavior - but merely continuous endemic extreme incompetence

3. Ignoring the facts and attacking me instead

I'm betting on #3.  :)
Why does your post need to be made just for a response?  Post it and let people come to conclusions.  Without more evidence it wouldn't be wise to make up one's mind.  Loser.  Hahaha...I did number 2 and 3 just for fun.  ;D
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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 08:31:26 AM »
Incompetence is the ultimate scapegoat.

People who use it to explain statistically near-impossible series of events are douchebags.

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 08:32:40 AM »
Incompetence is the ultimate scapegoat.

People who use it to explain statistically near-impossible series of events are douchebags.
But assumption is also the mother of all fcukups.  Let's leave it at that so it doesn't get personal.  My migraines tell me not to get angry or be mean right now.
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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 08:33:52 AM »
Post it and let people come to conclusions.

It makes the inevitable "Why don't you go live in Iran?" lameness from the other side of the aisle more amusing when I call it in advance.  :)

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 08:36:13 AM »
It makes the inevitable "Why don't you go live in Iran?" lameness from the other side of the aisle more amusing when I call it in advance.  :)
I agree to an extent on that but that is a simple retort and shows lack of thought.  I like to have valid arguments.
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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 08:36:35 AM »
Yikes, I almost forgot #4...!

4. Clinton! [or, in this case: Sandy Berger!]

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 08:37:57 AM »
I like to have valid arguments.

Don't we all?  :)

OK, righties! Bring on those valid arguments!

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 08:41:08 AM »
Don't we all?  :)

OK, righties! Bring on those valid arguments!

1. It is convenient but possible.  Anything is possible.  Occam's Razor is not always right.
2. I'd like to see more evidence.
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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 08:49:59 AM »
I'd like to see more evidence.

So would I. So would Patrick Leahy. So would John Conyers. So would Henry Waxman. And so, I'm sure, did Patrick Fitzgerald.

But for some unfathomable reason, that evidence just seems to keep turning up missing.   ::)

Look, I'm only preaching to the choir here. You think I expect to persuade the likes of mm69 by a presentation of evidence:)

Anyone who hasn't long since recognized the Bush junta as a nakedly criminal enterprise is, quite frankly, of a dim-wittedness that makes it a waste of time to try reasoning with them.

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Re: Oops, they did it again
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 09:16:10 AM »
So would I. So would Patrick Leahy. So would John Conyers. So would Henry Waxman. And so, I'm sure, did Patrick Fitzgerald.

But for some unfathomable reason, that evidence just seems to keep turning up missing.   ::)

Look, I'm only preaching to the choir here. You think I expect to persuade the likes of mm69 by a presentation of evidence:)

Anyone who hasn't long since recognized the Bush junta as a nakedly criminal enterprise is, quite frankly, of a dim-wittedness that makes it a waste of time to try reasoning with them.

I don't always agree with everything you say Ribo but you certainly do have a way with words. And it seems like lately your posts have been getting even more entertaining.