'broncaid'

[Bast000]

what's with people using that in place of ephedra?  Is it cheaper than ephedra? 

[ManBearPig...]

you can go to your nearest pharmacy and pick it up.  and it's bronkaid.

[Bast000]

you can go to your nearest pharmacy and pick it up.  and it's bronkaid.

Ahh with a 'k' ..I see, I bet Mr. Magoo supplements with Kock.

[Benny B]

Thanks to GH15 Walgreens and CVS are going to start wondering what's going on with all the meatheads going in and asking for this product. 
They usually keep it in the pharmacy area or behind the front counter, and you have to sign for it and show ID in order to make the purchase.

[Bast000]

bronkaid contains:

    *  25 mg ephedrine sulfate
    * 400 mg guaifenesin


And these inactive ingredients:

    * croscarmellose sodium
    * hydroxypropyl methylcellulose
    * magnesium stearate
    * magnesium trisilicate
    * microcrystalline cellulose
    * polyethylene glycol
    * povidone and starch



I don't know that you should be taking all those ingredients longterm.

[Croatch]

Yes, much cheaper than Vasopro.  Vasopro is roughly 65 cents a pill.  Bronkaid is 20 cents.

[Bast000]

Yes, much cheaper than Vasopro.  Vasopro is roughly 65 cents a pill.  Bronkaid is 20 cents.

Ahh, that's cheaper than ephedra supplements.

[pobrecito]

Bast, you had no problem taking pro-hormones, and you are worried about ephedrine ? 

[Bast000]

Bast, you had no problem taking pro-hormones, and you are worried about ephedrine ? 

i'm not worried.  I take ephedrine

[pobrecito]

i'm not worried.  I take ephedrine

do you train calves? 

[Mr. Intenseone]

i'm not worried.  I take ephedrine

This is the very short version but to the point........

1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.

2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.

3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.

I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.

I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.

[Bast000]

This is the very short version but to the point........

1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.

2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.

3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.

I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.

I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.

True.  But only if you take them beyond moderation.  I take them maybe a cap twice a week, and only for 6 weeks out of the entire year. 

[Croatch]

1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.

I must be the acception to the rule.  That's never happened to me, but I've never been low on carbs with ephedrine.  Still, doubtful.

[pobrecito]

This is the very short version but to the point........

1. All stimulants eventually become DEPRESSENTS and will cause you to lose energy, especially when you're on low carbs.

2. If someone is on Ephedrine or any other stimulant the usual first effects are weight loss due to water and some fat, but as time goes on the constant release and (the main factor in all of this) OVERPRODUCTION OF INSULIN will stop a persons body from burning fat and if the carb consumption is too high will cause you to INCREASE fat and will not keep BURNING fat, if you understand how insulin works, you should know this, this is how ephedra has a reverse effect.

3. You said you have been taking ephedrine for 15 years, my guess is it's more of an addiction and does more harm than good, if someone is dependant on stimulants it usually because of low seratonin levels that causes the craving for the stimulants and when low on carbs, you crave carbs.

I reguards to the GH Gut theories that have been speculated, I've heard things from excess carb loading to enlarged organs due to excessive GH to visceral fat, but the one conclusion that I think I have and it makes sense is the overproduction of insulin and some of the main factors in bodybuilding that causes this is stimulants and carb loading both of which will cause and over production of insulin and will cause bloating in the stomach.

I have a TON more on this subject, but I gotta go back to work.

This is complete bullshit.

I have reviewed of 40 peer-reviewed journals on ephedrine and none have mentioned this.

[Mr. Intenseone]

This is complete bullshit.

I have reviewed of 40 peer-reviewed journals on ephedrine and none have mentioned this.

Then your reading the wrong journals, this is elementry to a Doctor who has diabetics as patients, why do you think they tell their patients to follow low carb diets and either cut out or reduce caffine and other stimulants?

[pobrecito]

Then your reading the wrong journals, this is elementry to a Doctor who has diabetics as patients and patients!

Show me the articles.

If there was an issue this significant (as you claim) then it would be all over ANY article pertaining to the health effects of ephedrine (and there have been many of these articles published). I am not trying to fight you, I am always open to learn more. So please show me the article(s) you base your claim on.

[pobrecito]

I also want to mention, that what you are claiming appears to be well out of the realm of possibility for the amounts bodybuilders use.

Stimulation of the beta cells of the pancreas to produce more insulin is a hallmark response of the sympathetic NS stimulation.

What you are proposing is a constitutive overproduction of insulin over basal levels, however, this is simply not going to happen when you are using a drug that only has a half life of 3-4 hours!

Similarly, look at asthma medications such as clenbuterol and albuterol. Both are far more potent than ephedrine and have much longer half-lifes. There does not appear to be an issue with the use of these drugs and damage to the pancreas, resulting in permanent insulin abnormalities.

[Captain Equipoise]

I don't know about you guys, but here (Canada) you just gotta find a shady Indian/Pakistani owned health food store.. they keep the original 25mg Ephedrine HCL behind the counters   just grabbed 3 bottles for summer..

100 tabs @ 25mg for $25 , can't go wrong!

[toolarge4u]

Then your reading the wrong journals, this is elementry to a Doctor who has diabetics as patients, why do you think they tell their patients to follow low carb diets and either cut out or reduce caffine and other stimulants?

your a fucking idiot, show one article then. The 70's called, they want there toothpick legs back

[Slintowin]

I pretty much just stay with vasapro

[Naked4Jesus]

bronkaid contains:

    *  25 mg ephedrine sulfate
    * 400 mg guaifenesin


And these inactive ingredients:

    * croscarmellose sodium
    * hydroxypropyl methylcellulose
    * magnesium stearate
    * magnesium trisilicate
    * microcrystalline cellulose
    * polyethylene glycol
    * povidone and starch



I don't know that you should be taking all those ingredients longterm.

What's the difference between ephedrine sulfate and ephedrine HCL?  Does one have any advantage over the other?

[Mr. Cortisol]

i loves me some ECA.  what national chains carry bronkaid, and is it a pain in the ass to buy there?

[Colossus_1986]

I pretty much just stay with vasapro

this is the shit. end of story!

[XFACTOR]

I don't know about you guys, but here (Canada) you just gotta find a shady Indian/Pakistani owned health food store.. they keep the original 25mg Ephedrine HCL behind the counters   just grabbed 3 bottles for summer..

100 tabs @ 25mg for $25 , can't go wrong!

Does this raise your heart rate significantly?   I don't want my blood pressure or heart rate too elevated.  I don't know who would

[Naked4Jesus]

Wouldn't Primatene be better:

Ingredients:
Active Ingredients: Ephedrine Hcl (USP 12.5 mg) (Bronchodilator), Guaifenesin (USP 200mg) (Expectorant)

Inactive Ingredients: Crospovidone, D&C Yellow 10 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow 6 Aluminum Lake, Magnesium Stearate, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Providone, Silicon Dioxide.

It's dosed a bit lower at 12.5 but you can get 60 tabls for 9.99 so even though you may take two at a time it's gonna work out to about .33 per tab.