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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2007, 09:34:51 AM »
They never gave one.  Our good friends the Germans and the Israelis told us that day.  Also, that day, The head of the FBI made an emergency trip to Crawford TX with lights blaring to deliver a top secret document to Bush.  Condi accepted it, but never read it.

That's right.  She said she passed it on, Rummy said he never go it.  Neither did Ashcroft.  They pointed fingers on it, then dropped it.

So...to review...
The head of the FBI flies on an emergency trip to the Presiden't home with highly secret info (the same day germany tells us about a massive upcoming attack).  The president and his Nat'l Security Advisor do not even read it.  bush tells the FBI "You've covered your ass, alright?"

Shortly after that, the Hollywood, FL branch of the FBI which was following a suspicious Atta was "called off" - their branch was ordered off the case by executive order.



Are the pieces starting to fit together?

Nah, I truly don't believe any of that.  Sure haven't heard anything about it in the paper, the TV news......
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2007, 09:37:14 AM »
Nah, I truly don't believe any of that.  Sure haven't heard anything about it in the paper, the TV news......

Stop watching American TV or reading American newspapers. You can read right?  ;)
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2007, 09:41:48 AM »
Stop watching American TV or reading American newspapers. You can read right?  ;)
Sure, except for 4 syllable words or bigger.
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2007, 09:50:57 AM »
Time to run home and grab my lunch and nab a NOONER from my baby!
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2007, 10:09:37 AM »
Nah, I truly don't believe any of that.  Sure haven't heard anything about it in the paper, the TV news......

Classic.

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2007, 10:40:48 AM »
The republican party will right itself..unlike dems, Ribo we don't cut and run, we will try and change things and make it better.

I hope they do it before 08, because I would hate to see Hillary running the country. 

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2007, 10:46:42 AM »
Classic.

dude, if that was all true in the way you make it sound, bush would have been lynched by now.  u twist facts as much as anyone here to suit your agenda. 
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2007, 10:51:16 AM »
I hope they do it before 08, because I would hate to see Hillary running the country. 

Truth be told... so would I. Don't get me wrong... I think she's a very competent woman.
That's what scares me. She's good enough to right the many domestic issues and lull American's into a state of contented complacency... while at the same time executing shady grand agendas for the real powers that be without anyone catching on. The good thing about GW is he's so incompetent, it's easy to catch wind of his dirty shit... but Hilary.... she'd pull it off... and by the time you figured it out... it would be too late.

You'd have to watch that woman like a hawk, ...and I don't think the vast public cares enough for themselves to do it. They want to leave it all up to big brother who may not always have their interests at heart.
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 10:52:36 AM »
Truth be told... so would I. Don't get me wrong... I think she's a very competent woman.
That's what scares me. She's good enough to right the many domestic issues and lull American's into a state of contented complacency... while at the same time executive shady grand agendas for the real powers that be without anyone catching on. The good thing about GW is he's so incompetent, it's easy to catch wind of his dirty shit... but Hilary.... she'd pull it off... and by the time you figured it out... it would be too late.

You'd have to watch that woman like a hawk, ...and I don't think the vast public cares enough for themselves to do it. They want to leave it all up to big brother who may not always have their interests at heart.

World!  Just you wait!  just wait til our president is ON THE RAG!  heads will fall i tell ya!!
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2007, 10:54:24 AM »
World!  Just you wait!  just wait til our president is ON THE RAG!  heads will fall i tell ya!!

I could be wrong, ...but I don't think hilary has to worry about that anymore.
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2007, 10:54:30 AM »
Truth be told... so would I. Don't get me wrong... I think she's a very competent woman.
That's what scares me. She's good enough to right the many domestic issues and lull American's into a state of contented complacency... while at the same time executive shady grand agendas for the real powers that be without anyone catching on. The good thing about GW is he's so incompetent, it's easy to catch wind of his dirty shit... but Hilary.... she'd pull it off... and by the time you figured it out... it would be too late.

You'd have to watch that woman like a hawk, ...and I don't think the vast public cares enough for themselves to do it. They want to leave it all up to big brother who may not always have their interests at heart.

I disagree.  She would be terrible for the country because she is too far to the left.  I think she would also spearhead an attempt by the federal government to reach deeper into the pockets of millions of Americans.  

She's also not very likeable.  

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2007, 11:05:14 AM »
What does her likeability have to do with competency on the job?
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2007, 11:10:28 AM »
What does her likeability have to do with competency on the job?

Not much I guess but sure has a lot to do with her not being electable.
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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2007, 06:56:30 PM »
This is by no means a defensive argument for Republicans but what have the uber rich elite Democrats done for the poor and common man? Not a damn thing.

I totally agree with you. If there's one comon thread amongst all überrich is that they have one common goal: To not lose their dinero. If it means voting and/or running for office as a republican, or democrat, they have no (ethical or moral) dilemas doing so, because their main goal is to maintain and increase what they have in their pockets.

Having said this, yes, the democrats have also the same (financial) goals, which is to get and maintain power. Although they do not wipe their asses with our Constitution,  invade 15 (innocent) countries or torture half of a country's population in the process.

My 2 cents.

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2007, 07:32:07 PM »
You do understand the rich people are the ones that HIRE the poor folks.  Tax the rich to death and no jobs for the poor folk.
Remember the rich pay over 90% of the tax money collected every year, what ya want from them, 100% and give the middle class and lower class a free ride?  Remember, the greeter at Wal-Mart never hired anyone...

Look buddy, noone is talking about taxing the rich to death. At this point in time is just a matter of getting them to pay taxes period. Half of those fiscal paradises, like the Cayman Islands or Bermuda, exist because US corporations do not want to pay taxes. Many people would be surprised, even irated, about the fact that Enron did not pay taxes for years on end. And very few corporations actually pay their fair share to the IRS. Whatever they pay usually goes to charities, PR stuff to let the public know they down wit the po' folk, or the IRS. Although they get it all back via municipal, state and federal tax breaks. 

I work in the financial services industry and, although I'm not an expert, I can attest to how funny it is, come April, to see all these rich cocksuckers bending over backwards moving income distributions from US to foreign accounts so they get hit with NRA taxes (and hence lower their taxes,) only to move them back to the US accounts a couple of months after, away from the ever-present IRS. I see shit like this happen all the time. I mean, "Sacs" or not, it is a well known fact.

I do find you comment that the rich hire the poor a little disturbing though. Not because it's not true, but because it is not about that at all. What we're talking about here is how ethical or moral it is to have the rich "reap" the majority of the benefits and the poor, or middle class (since 85% of the middle class is but a fistfull of dollars away from being po',) get only the crumbs. "Trickle down economics" Bush calls it. I do not find it fair that the top 10% of the population own 3/4 of the stuff and that their idea of sharing is nothing but to show us how patriotic they are and how emotionally moved they are when a 9/11 takes place. Buuuuuuulllllshit!!

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2007, 07:53:53 PM »
By the way, I'm in no way an expert in the subject, nor am I smarter or dumber than anyone here, but the idea that the rich pay for everything here is so illusory it is just, at best, moronic idiocy.

I mean, our life has been fiscalized to such an extreme that you can't do much without being taxed: Buy milk? Sales tax. Piss on the street? $50 ticket. Buy a house? Property taxes and God knows what else. Go to the hospital to see your wife give birth: ½ kidney and sales tax. I mean, it goes on and on, and on...

Hey, someone's gotta pay for all those rockets and bombs being thrown in Irak killing Irakis and US servicemen (human tax) so that we can get the cheapest oil around so that our corporations can be the most competitive around (and they are so because of this double whammy: Low energy prices and zero taxes; and some can't even get their game straight under such favorable circumstances and even turn against their own population: Enron in California).

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2007, 02:41:21 AM »
Guess you never heard of Civil Rights, Worker Protection laws, Welfare for the needy, etc.  :-\ 

There were a lot of Repubicans in the civil rights movement and as far as welfare goes? LOL.... just another drug for drug addicts. Teach a man to fish, AE. Don't keep tossing him fish.

Additionally, the high taxes to support those programs are paid by everyone to inlcude the poor who have little disposible income as it is. I'm not even talking about income taxes here. Taxes on food, gas, utilities, registration fees, etc. They all whittle away at what little they already have. You want to empower people and give control back to us and not the government? Give control of the purse back to the people and not the government and the bankers they serve.

When "champions" of the poor live like rock stars and get $400.00 hair cuts or refuse to answser simple questions about the legality of income taxes it (which fvck all of us) it puts all politicians in a bad light.


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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2007, 03:47:37 AM »
What does her likeability have to do with competency on the job?

JE, unfortunately...... perception is everything in politics.


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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2007, 07:27:03 PM »
There were a lot of Repubicans in the civil rights movement and as far as welfare goes? LOL.... just another drug for drug addicts. Teach a man to fish, AE. Don't keep tossing him fish.

Additionally, the high taxes to support those programs are paid by everyone to inlcude the poor who have little disposible income as it is. I'm not even talking about income taxes here. Taxes on food, gas, utilities, registration fees, etc. They all whittle away at what little they already have. You want to empower people and give control back to us and not the government? Give control of the purse back to the people and not the government and the bankers they serve.

When "champions" of the poor live like rock stars and get $400.00 hair cuts or refuse to answser simple questions about the legality of income taxes it (which fvck all of us) it puts all politicians in a bad light.



Ahhhh, but you see, "social" (wefare) programs are not expensive at all. In fact, the Welfare program of the 80s cost as much as 30 days of the Irak war (or the equivalent of what that big fuck who ought to be prosecuted and hung, Kenneth Star, spent on forcing Clinton to say that he got his pecker "spit shined",) and it helped A LOT of AMERICANS!!!!!. At one point, all of a sudden, it became a friction point between both parties and before you knew it there were self-appointed "experts" on the 10 o'clock shows talking about what a fiscal black hole the program was (a total and shameless lie!,) and how Puerto Ricans and Mexicans were having kids by the truckload so that they wouldn't have to work, and all of a sudden all these Republican rats started getting elected all over the friggin place.

And what was the 1st thing they did as soon as they sat at the office? Toss all social programs in the garbage, lower property taxes, give more tax breaks to the local businesses and buy 500 busses to start "shipping" the poor (aka "disenfranchised") to the state jails, where, coincidentally, there are no rich men.

And, OF COURSE, the media was instrumental, at least in New York, in the dismantling of most social programs.

It is a fact... I ain't making this stuff up.   

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2007, 08:39:22 PM »
Ahhhh, but you see, "social" (wefare) programs are not expensive at all. In fact, the Welfare program of the 80s cost as much as 30 days of the Irak war (or the equivalent of what that big fuck who ought to be prosecuted and hung, Kenneth Star, spent on forcing Clinton to say that he got his pecker "spit shined",) and it helped A LOT of AMERICANS!!!!!. At one point, all of a sudden, it became a friction point between both parties and before you knew it there were self-appointed "experts" on the 10 o'clock shows talking about what a fiscal black hole the program was (a total and shameless lie!,) and how Puerto Ricans and Mexicans were having kids by the truckload so that they wouldn't have to work, and all of a sudden all these Republican rats started getting elected all over the friggin place.

And what was the 1st thing they did as soon as they sat at the office? Toss all social programs in the garbage, lower property taxes, give more tax breaks to the local businesses and buy 500 busses to start "shipping" the poor (aka "disenfranchised") to the state jails, where, coincidentally, there are no rich men.

And, OF COURSE, the media was instrumental, at least in New York, in the dismantling of most social programs.

It is a fact... I ain't making this stuff up.   

And what happened in New York when a  lot of those social programs went away? The economy blossomed and people got jobs.

See the unfortunate thing is that social programs are not just spent on those that need them and are incapable of work. They are wasted on lazy slugs that would rather have 10 kids and sit on their fat asses. I saw this day in and day out living in a small farming town in northern Maine. It's easy to sit around and do nothing when the government takes care of everything.

When people are not taxed into poverty they have more income at their disposal to spend as they see fit. A man's wages are HIS property NOT the governments. Like it or not the rich in this country create the business and the jobs for the middle class (and poor).

Bottom line is that YES social programs are expensive - they rob working people of their hard earned wages and the poor of their dignity.




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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2007, 09:18:45 PM »
After watching the Libs self-destruct by they're own idiocy since "taking over" ::).......I'm more of a Republican than ever. I think having the Libs in power is the best thing that could have happend to the Republican party...hahahahah!!

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2007, 01:49:01 PM »
After watching the Libs self-destruct by they're own idiocy since "taking over" ::).......I'm more of a Republican than ever. I think having the Libs in power is the best thing that could have happend to the Republican party...hahahahah!!

I still consider myself a conservative republican.....even after the last "abortioned" 6 yrs.

Most intelligent, honest, responsible republicans, realize the current GOP sucks HUGE di*k. We'll just wait for the Dems to self destruct like we did.

Sometimes, change is for the better. This is one instance.

Remember, you can't make chicken salad .........out of chickenshit. That's Bush's current dilemma.

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2007, 02:45:43 PM »
And what happened in New York when a  lot of those social programs went away? The economy blossomed and people got jobs.

No, the economy was pretty much the same: great. I mean, income gaps between the ultrarich and the middle classes grew larger and Donald Trump, who had filed bankrupcy, all of a sudden got all his buildings back, including the "Dump" Tower.

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See the unfortunate thing is that social programs are not just spent on those that need them and are incapable of work. They are wasted on lazy slugs that would rather have 10 kids and sit on their fat asses. I saw this day in and day out living in a small farming town in northern Maine. It's easy to sit around and do nothing when the government takes care of everything.

And, of course, it is ok to extrapolate what you've experienced in nothern Maine to the rest of the US and its poor population. You "saw" people "sitting" around doing nothing because the government takes care of everything, while you, GOD, pay more and more taxes.

Never mind the fact that every year more and more American families join the ranks of the working poor, although by your line of logic they ought to get up and go to work for $250 a week while their rent alone is $350.00.

Years ago, when your father was twenty-something, all you had to do, had you NOT a college degree, was to show up at a union meeting and you'd get a job on the spot. A job that'd allow you to buy a house, a car, get married and have children in less than 2 years. You try doing that now!

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When people are not taxed into poverty they have more income at their disposal to spend as they see fit. A man's wages are HIS property NOT the governments.

But, see, that's exactly what I'm saying! I'm with you on that! The problem is that when the ones who collect this money mainly use it to give it to the rich, via wars, tax breaks or tax refunds; I do have a problem with that! 

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Like it or not the rich in this country create the business and the jobs for the middle class (and poor).

I'm not saying otherwise! What I'm saying is that if I pay 30% of my salary in taxes, they have an obligation to pay 30% too. The problem is THEY DON'T!!!!!!! I can't say it any clearer.

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Bottom line is that YES social programs are expensive - they rob working people of their hard earned wages and the poor of their dignity.

And what do you call the 2 trillion dollars the invasion of Iraq has cost us? Chump change? I mean, it seems as though you'd rather give 800,000 dollars to each Iraqui than 2,000 to someone in Maine sitting in their ass. You're a real patriot buddy!

Do you concur?

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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2007, 02:58:32 PM »
[...]Most intelligent, honest, responsible republicans, realize the current GOP sucks HUGE di*k.[...]

Democrats feel the same way. Although OUR leaders get their HUGE dicks sucked.

That is the difference: you're gay, we're not.

Now, give your women to us.


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Re: So You're Still A Republican?
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2007, 03:12:31 PM »
Democrats feel the same way. Although OUR leaders get their HUGE dicks sucked.



If I remember correctly, Gennifer Flowers said Bill Clinton was "quite small, but had good oral skills"

And Barney Frank doesn't count!!  :-*