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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2007, 01:19:23 PM »
what liberties of your did he impact?

It doesn't matter whether he was successful.  His intent was clear, because he verbalized it.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2007, 01:20:29 PM »
What individual liberties was he trying to take away? 

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2007, 01:34:28 PM »
It doesn't matter whether he was successful.  His intent was clear, because he verbalized it.


So you have hatred for a person because of his thoughts?

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2007, 01:36:33 PM »
What individual liberties was he trying to take away? 
The right to privacy btn a pregnant woman and her doctor.

The right of liberty and pursuit of happiness by homosexuals.

Really the entire 4th amendment was anathema to the man.

As was:  Jerry Falwell v. Larry Flynt: THE FIRST AMENDMENT ON TRIAL

http://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Falwell-Larry-Flynt-AMENDMENT/dp/0252061519

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2007, 01:41:05 PM »
The right to privacy btn a pregnant woman and her doctor.

The right of liberty and pursuit of happiness by homosexuals.

Really the entire 4th amendment was anathema to the man.

As was:  Jerry Falwell v. Larry Flynt: THE FIRST AMENDMENT ON TRIAL

http://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Falwell-Larry-Flynt-AMENDMENT/dp/0252061519

So . . . you mean:

1.  Abortion.

2.  State sanctioned homosexual marriage.

3.  Fourth Amendment?  What did he have to say about unreasonable searches and seizures? 

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2007, 02:10:30 PM »
So . . . you mean:

1.  Abortion.

2.  State sanctioned homosexual marriage.

3.  Fourth Amendment?  What did he have to say about unreasonable searches and seizures? 
He also wanted to ban alcohol.  Take that as crush to our liberties.

Sorry about the mistake--I meant the 14th Amendment and not the 4th (although I'd like to see his stance on privacy implicit in the 4th A).  I'm trying to multitask and I'm not proofreading the posts again.

The 14thA deals w/ equal protection/due process/civil rights.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2007, 02:13:39 PM »
You can't deny he was a bigot... I mean, you can love God and all, but he was still a bigot.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2007, 03:39:36 PM »
the ACLU is scum and truly the works of the devil.

Joe is against civil liberties in America.  That's the republican party for ya!
Stick out your tongue.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2007, 04:04:36 PM »
He also wanted to ban alcohol.  Take that as crush to our liberties.

Sorry about the mistake--I meant the 14th Amendment and not the 4th (although I'd like to see his stance on privacy implicit in the 4th A).  I'm trying to multitask and I'm not proofreading the posts again.

The 14thA deals w/ equal protection/due process/civil rights.

You can't mess with a man's guns or his beer.   :)

What 14th Amendment rights was he trying to take away? 

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2007, 05:08:49 PM »
You can't deny he was a bigot... I mean, you can love God and all, but he was still a bigot.

Sure they can, these are the same apologists that deny Bush has done anything wrong.

Head in the sand is a beautiful way to navigate life.

Falwell hated people that were different than he was, his actions and words speak volumes.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2007, 05:23:13 PM »
Did he have a heart attack after discovering his name was on the DC Madam's client list?

...or was he struck by lightening?  ???
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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2007, 09:10:12 PM »
Joe is against civil liberties in America.  That's the republican party for ya!

Hahahaha the aclu is a BS organization, it's a freaking joke!

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2007, 01:40:56 AM »
So you have hatred for a person because of his thoughts?

Are you saying that he should *not* have been taken at his word(s)?

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2007, 06:48:42 AM »
You can't mess with a man's guns or his beer.   :)

What 14th Amendment rights was he trying to take away? 
Falwell was against equal rights for women.  Falwell supported segregation for a good part of his life.  Falwell opposed any rights for homosexuals:  he favored discriminatory laws. 

It's a free country.  He could do all the railing he wanted...and he did.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2007, 08:12:39 AM »
Are you saying that he should *not* have been taken at his word(s)?

First I am only saying that I don't understand hate, but for arguments sake you said you had hate because he infringed on your rights, I asked which ones and you said none but he was trying to. I guess thoughts was a wrong term to use but how can you hate someone that really had zero impact on your life? He was just another radical christian. Serious man, I don't have hate for even radical muslims so I just don't understand.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2007, 08:40:13 AM »
Hahahaha the aclu is a BS organization, it's a freaking joke!

So you're saying you want a stronger organization to defend civil liberties in the U.S.? 
Stick out your tongue.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2007, 08:59:13 AM »
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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2007, 09:04:40 AM »
Falwell was against equal rights for women.  Falwell supported segregation for a good part of his life.  Falwell opposed any rights for homosexuals:  he favored discriminatory laws. 

It's a free country.  He could do all the railing he wanted...and he did.

How was he against equal rights for women? 

He supported segregation for part of his life.  To his credit, he came around on that issue. 

He didn't support making homosexuals a suspect class like race.  And if I'm not mistaken, pretty much every court that has issued an opinion on that issue agreed with Falwell that homosexuals are not a suspect class, so he wasn't advocating taking away rights under the 14th Amendment, because those rights don't exist (according to the courts). 

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2007, 10:01:26 AM »
How was he against equal rights for women? 

He supported segregation for part of his life.  To his credit, he came around on that issue. 

He didn't support making homosexuals a suspect class like race.  And if I'm not mistaken, pretty much every court that has issued an opinion on that issue agreed with Falwell that homosexuals are not a suspect class, so he wasn't advocating taking away rights under the 14th Amendment, because those rights don't exist (according to the courts). 
He wanted to keep women out of the armed forces when the question arose. 

Just b/c a court may find that homosexuality is not a suspect class under a d/p or e/p analysis doesn't mean that they don't have 14thA rights.  That just refers to the level of scrutiny the Court will use in determining the constitutionality of the legislation on review.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2007, 10:27:26 AM »
Joe is against civil liberties in America.  That's the republican party for ya!

Sam, Mr Lib/Joe voted for Bill "blue dress" Clinton.

Mr Lib is now a dreaded "Repug", much like Rush "admitted felon" Limbaugh.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2007, 10:34:10 AM »
He wanted to keep women out of the armed forces when the question arose. 

Just b/c a court may not find that homosexuality is not a suspect class under a d/p or e/p analysis doesn't mean that they don't have 14thA rights.  That just refers to the level of scrutiny the Court will use in determining the constitutionality of the legislation on review.

There was a question about women serving in the armed forces?  I know about the issue of women in combat, but I don't recall a big debate (in my lifetime) about women serving in the armed forces. 

Homosexuals, bisexuals, cross-dressers, etc. already have due process and equal protection of the laws under the 14th Amendment.  If a homosexual man is arrested, he gets the same due process as a heterosexual man.  If a bisexual woman wants to get married, she can marry a man (unless she lives in Massachusetts) like any other woman.  What Falwell opposed was creating a new protected class of people, equating them race, etc.  Courts have refused to do this.   

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2007, 11:14:32 AM »
There was a question about women serving in the armed forces?  I know about the issue of women in combat, but I don't recall a big debate (in my lifetime) about women serving in the armed forces. 

Homosexuals, bisexuals, cross-dressers, etc. already have due process and equal protection of the laws under the 14th Amendment.  If a homosexual man is arrested, he gets the same due process as a heterosexual man.  If a bisexual woman wants to get married, she can marry a man (unless she lives in Massachusetts) like any other woman.  What Falwell opposed was creating a new protected class of people, equating them race, etc.  Courts have refused to do this.   

You are correct sir.  Women serving in combat was the issue of the day. 

Come on Beach Bum.  Does this sound like a man only interested in the judicial vicissitudes of suspect classes?

July 1984: Falwell is forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle.   During a TV debate in Sacramento, Falwell denied calling the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches “brute beasts” and “a vile and Satanic system” that will “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.” When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could produce it. Sloan did so, Falwell refused to pay and Sloan successfully sued. Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an additional $2,875 in sanctions and court fees.


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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2007, 11:29:42 AM »
You are correct sir.  Women serving in combat was the issue of the day. 

Come on Beach Bum.  Does this sound like a man only interested in the judicial vicissitudes of suspect classes?

July 1984: Falwell is forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle.   During a TV debate in Sacramento, Falwell denied calling the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches “brute beasts” and “a vile and Satanic system” that will “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.” When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could produce it. Sloan did so, Falwell refused to pay and Sloan successfully sued. Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an additional $2,875 in sanctions and court fees.



Decker there are two different issues here:

1.  How the law deals with homosexuals, bisexuals, cross-dressers, etc.  On this issue, I think we're talking about things like the 14th Amendment.

2.  Religious objections to homosexuality.  I think the 20-plus-year-old quote you referenced relates to his religious objections to homosexuality. 

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2007, 11:51:22 AM »
I love the smell of dead demagogue in the morning.  ;D