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MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« on: May 19, 2007, 07:45:56 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18742328/site/newsweek/

A Multivitamin Mystery
A new study from the National Cancer Institute suggests a link between heavy use of multivitamins and increased risk for prostate cancer.

By Alexandra Gekas
Newsweek
Updated: 2:14 p.m. ET May 18, 2007
May 18, 2007 - Millions of Americans take multivitamins as part of their daily regimen and assume that they are getting some health benefits. But a recent study by the National Cancer Institute found that men who consume too many multivitamins might be upping their risk of a particularly aggressive form of prostate cancer, especially men with a family history of the disease. NEWSWEEK's Alexandra Gekas spoke with Dr. Michael Leitzmann, senior author of the study.
NEWSWEEK: What was the goal of the study?Dr. Michael Leitzmann: To assess the association between the use of multivitamins and prostate-cancer risk. About 35 percent of U.S. adults use multivitamins on a regular basis.

What motivated the study? Was there previous evidence that multivitamins might increase the risk of prostate cancer?
The little data available to us indicated that there might be a positive association between multivitamin use and prostate cancer. We're basically the third study. An American Cancer Society study and a French trial both seemed to indicate that if prostate cancer was pre-clinically present in the body, that in those men, the use of multivitamins could possibly have an adverse effect. This was just speculation, so we went into our data and found that there's no association with overall prostate cancer. And when we split the men with organ-confined prostate cancer there was also no association, which was reassuring because that means the vitamins don't do anything in terms of harm for most cases. But when we looked at men with advanced prostate cancer, when the cancer had metastasized beyond the organ itself, we found that the risk of developing that type of cancer increased by one third with excessive multivitamin use. Then we had a third group that died of prostate cancer and among those men we saw that the risk had actually doubled with excessive multivitamin use. So it appeared that the multivitamin use was not affecting the early stages and it was not affecting the moderate disease but it was affecting the advanced or aggressive disease.

An epidemiological study like this one doesn't prove cause and effect. How confident are you that there really is a causal relationship?
In a study that is designed like ours, there is no basis for concluding that there is a causal relation. So what we did was observe an association. A rigorous study would assign people certain doses of vitamins and then give a control group a different type or a placebo, which our study didn't do. So if you ask me point blank, our study cannot establish causality. It just raises concern, enough concern to publish because of the perceived health benefits of multivitamins. People think they are doing themselves good, but in the best case nothing happens and in the worst case it actually causes harm. So our study should be seen as raising concern and prompting further research.


So are there any men who should not be taking multivitamins, perhaps if they have a strong family history of prostate cancer?

My advice would be that people adhere to manufacturers’ recommendations in terms of these vitamins and not exceed the recommended daily allowance (RDA) by a factor of five- or tenfold, because I think that's probably what's happening. People are exceeding the RDA by quite a bit. What we're talking about here is excessive intake, in multiples of the RDA, and it's not just one vitamin, but multiple vitamins. For the people with family history the risk from excessive use was slightly higher than those without family history, but again it was only for people who were excessively using multivitamins. So even for people with a family history there is no reason to change anything or advise them against using multivitamins. But caution is warranted for the subset that is using multivitamins in excessive doses.


At excessive levels of intake, antioxidants can become harmful pro-oxidants. Is something similar going on with multivitamins?
It's not unthinkable that if you drastically increase the level of one single item that it may have an adverse effect on the body's function or inhibit the absorption of another substance. There are hints that it effects this balance. For example we know that beta carotene, which is a corotinoid, has about 600 isoforms, in other words there is not just one type. There are many forms which are very similar but differ in small respects. It appears that the whole spectrum might be important for the body's health, so if you grab one of those and you multiply the body's consumption manyfold, without the other kinds, who knows if the others aren't equally important. These multivitamins contain synthetic substances that have been isolated and are not in their natural forms, as in fruits and vegetables, which contain all their isoforms. So it might be the combination of having an isolated substance and administering it in ultra-high doses with unexplored effects. We don't know what that does to the body.

You specifically mention selenium, zinc and beta carotene. Is part of the problem that people are taking those supplements in addition to the multivitamins?
It always goes back to this basic notion, people do this because they think it's good for them. But what people are taking needs to be addressed carefully. There's a notion that selenium might protect against prostate cancer. There's a whole literature on the possible beneficial effects of these substances on cancer, and specifically prostate cancer, and that is probably true. But additional research is needed in parsing down what is the actual dosage and what is the relationship between the actual dosages. Can you actually overdose? Not like a drug overdose but a chronic overdose or excessive use or over-supplementation.

So from your evidence, what do you recommend people take away from this study?
I think it's wise to adhere to the RDA of multivitamins and I would be cautious to exceed the RDA by any magnitude. Taking a multivitamin for insurance, there's nothing to suggest that's bad for you. I think it would be safe to say that. But I would caution against the excessive use of multivitamins until more research comes. In our study the bottom line is not the multivitamins, per se, what we're worried about is unknown consequences of excessive uses of these substances.

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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007, 07:46:27 PM »
wow  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 07:48:04 PM »
DAMN!!!!

This is very bad news. All this time I didnt see True Adonis posting, I thought he was dead. Now we have to see his font >:(

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2007, 07:51:19 PM »
DAMN!!!!

This is very bad news. All this time I didnt see True Adonis posting, I thought he was dead. Now we have to see his font >:(

hahahaha  ;D

I don't mind if he post once a week like he does now tho

but no more than that  8)

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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 07:56:18 PM »
disgusted just saved this thread ;D
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2007, 08:06:03 PM »
Well, maybe indirectly, but we need to give props to Jessica too.  ;D
I liked her first pic better
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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2007, 08:06:52 PM »
your saying that heavy/excessive use of any thing is bad? clever

so eating 20 cups of broccoli a day isnt the wisest thing to do either? ::)

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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2007, 08:07:19 PM »
Let me guess, Wyeth, the makers of Centrum, funded that study

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2007, 08:13:14 PM »
I liked her first pic better

So do I but Ron does not like naked girls on this board.  :-[

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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2007, 08:19:41 PM »
So do I but Ron does not like naked girls on this board.  :-[
things that make you go hmmmmm........
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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2007, 08:22:38 PM »
things that make you go hmmmmm........


What are you talking about?


It's perfectly normal for guys who spend all their free time photographing half-naked men to be opposed to naked pics of hot chicks.   ;D
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2007, 08:24:57 PM »
But then again, I'm willing to die for you bitches.  :o
brings a tear to my eye, my one eye ;)
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2007, 08:28:22 PM »
But then again, I'm willing to die for you bitches.  :o

She's hot but needs to have that furry little mole lasered off her lip.  The lip on her face that is..  ;D

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2007, 08:29:24 PM »
She's hot but needs to have that furry little mole lasered off her lip.  The lip on her face that is..  ;D

Why do you think that she is posing nude bro? Money for the procedure.  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2007, 08:30:57 PM »
She's hot but needs to have that furry little mole lasered off her lip.  The lip on her face that is..  ;D
hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out >:(
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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2007, 09:46:08 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18742328/site/newsweek/

A Multivitamin Mystery
A new study from the National Cancer Institute suggests a link between heavy use of multivitamins and increased risk for prostate cancer.

By Alexandra Gekas
Newsweek
Updated: 2:14 p.m. ET May 18, 2007
May 18, 2007 - Millions of Americans take multivitamins as part of their daily regimen and assume that they are getting some health benefits. But a recent study by the National Cancer Institute found that men who consume too many multivitamins might be upping their risk of a particularly aggressive form of prostate cancer, especially men with a family history of the disease. NEWSWEEK's Alexandra Gekas spoke with Dr. Michael Leitzmann, senior author of the study.
NEWSWEEK: What was the goal of the study?Dr. Michael Leitzmann: To assess the association between the use of multivitamins and prostate-cancer risk. About 35 percent of U.S. adults use multivitamins on a regular basis.

What motivated the study? Was there previous evidence that multivitamins might increase the risk of prostate cancer?
The little data available to us indicated that there might be a positive association between multivitamin use and prostate cancer. We're basically the third study. An American Cancer Society study and a French trial both seemed to indicate that if prostate cancer was pre-clinically present in the body, that in those men, the use of multivitamins could possibly have an adverse effect. This was just speculation, so we went into our data and found that there's no association with overall prostate cancer. And when we split the men with organ-confined prostate cancer there was also no association, which was reassuring because that means the vitamins don't do anything in terms of harm for most cases. But when we looked at men with advanced prostate cancer, when the cancer had metastasized beyond the organ itself, we found that the risk of developing that type of cancer increased by one third with excessive multivitamin use. Then we had a third group that died of prostate cancer and among those men we saw that the risk had actually doubled with excessive multivitamin use. So it appeared that the multivitamin use was not affecting the early stages and it was not affecting the moderate disease but it was affecting the advanced or aggressive disease.

An epidemiological study like this one doesn't prove cause and effect. How confident are you that there really is a causal relationship?
In a study that is designed like ours, there is no basis for concluding that there is a causal relation. So what we did was observe an association. A rigorous study would assign people certain doses of vitamins and then give a control group a different type or a placebo, which our study didn't do. So if you ask me point blank, our study cannot establish causality. It just raises concern, enough concern to publish because of the perceived health benefits of multivitamins. People think they are doing themselves good, but in the best case nothing happens and in the worst case it actually causes harm. So our study should be seen as raising concern and prompting further research.


So are there any men who should not be taking multivitamins, perhaps if they have a strong family history of prostate cancer?

My advice would be that people adhere to manufacturers’ recommendations in terms of these vitamins and not exceed the recommended daily allowance (RDA) by a factor of five- or tenfold, because I think that's probably what's happening. People are exceeding the RDA by quite a bit. What we're talking about here is excessive intake, in multiples of the RDA, and it's not just one vitamin, but multiple vitamins. For the people with family history the risk from excessive use was slightly higher than those without family history, but again it was only for people who were excessively using multivitamins. So even for people with a family history there is no reason to change anything or advise them against using multivitamins. But caution is warranted for the subset that is using multivitamins in excessive doses.


At excessive levels of intake, antioxidants can become harmful pro-oxidants. Is something similar going on with multivitamins?
It's not unthinkable that if you drastically increase the level of one single item that it may have an adverse effect on the body's function or inhibit the absorption of another substance. There are hints that it effects this balance. For example we know that beta carotene, which is a corotinoid, has about 600 isoforms, in other words there is not just one type. There are many forms which are very similar but differ in small respects. It appears that the whole spectrum might be important for the body's health, so if you grab one of those and you multiply the body's consumption manyfold, without the other kinds, who knows if the others aren't equally important. These multivitamins contain synthetic substances that have been isolated and are not in their natural forms, as in fruits and vegetables, which contain all their isoforms. So it might be the combination of having an isolated substance and administering it in ultra-high doses with unexplored effects. We don't know what that does to the body.

You specifically mention selenium, zinc and beta carotene. Is part of the problem that people are taking those supplements in addition to the multivitamins?
It always goes back to this basic notion, people do this because they think it's good for them. But what people are taking needs to be addressed carefully. There's a notion that selenium might protect against prostate cancer. There's a whole literature on the possible beneficial effects of these substances on cancer, and specifically prostate cancer, and that is probably true. But additional research is needed in parsing down what is the actual dosage and what is the relationship between the actual dosages. Can you actually overdose? Not like a drug overdose but a chronic overdose or excessive use or over-supplementation.

So from your evidence, what do you recommend people take away from this study?
I think it's wise to adhere to the RDA of multivitamins and I would be cautious to exceed the RDA by any magnitude. Taking a multivitamin for insurance, there's nothing to suggest that's bad for you. I think it would be safe to say that. But I would caution against the excessive use of multivitamins until more research comes. In our study the bottom line is not the multivitamins, per se, what we're worried about is unknown consequences of excessive uses of these substances.


Yeah, thanks for that, but I'll take my chances. If I took the advice from every ya hoo who told me this or that caused cancer I'd of starvation before I would die of cancer!

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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2007, 10:50:28 PM »
Hey!!!  Look who it is !??  The King of the cut and paste !!!!

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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2007, 11:30:31 PM »
so when the bottle of MV says take two a day, don't take 10. boy, thanks for the fucking news flash there, walter cronkite. ::)

in other news, that girl's hot as hell from the waist down.

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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2007, 11:44:18 PM »
she has a way of hiding her poop-hole - do u have any pics that show her pooter????

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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2007, 05:10:44 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18742328/site/newsweek/

A Multivitamin Mystery
A new study from the National Cancer Institute suggests a link between heavy use of multivitamins and increased risk for prostate cancer.

By Alexandra Gekas
Newsweek
Updated: 2:14 p.m. ET May 18, 2007
May 18, 2007 - Millions of Americans take multivitamins as part of their daily regimen and assume that they are getting some health benefits. But a recent study by the National Cancer Institute found that men who consume too many multivitamins might be upping their risk of a particularly aggressive form of prostate cancer, especially men with a family history of the disease. NEWSWEEK's Alexandra Gekas spoke with Dr. Michael Leitzmann, senior author of the study.
NEWSWEEK: What was the goal of the study?Dr. Michael Leitzmann: To assess the association between the use of multivitamins and prostate-cancer risk. About 35 percent of U.S. adults use multivitamins on a regular basis.

What motivated the study? Was there previous evidence that multivitamins might increase the risk of prostate cancer?
The little data available to us indicated that there might be a positive association between multivitamin use and prostate cancer. We're basically the third study. An American Cancer Society study and a French trial both seemed to indicate that if prostate cancer was pre-clinically present in the body, that in those men, the use of multivitamins could possibly have an adverse effect. This was just speculation, so we went into our data and found that there's no association with overall prostate cancer. And when we split the men with organ-confined prostate cancer there was also no association, which was reassuring because that means the vitamins don't do anything in terms of harm for most cases. But when we looked at men with advanced prostate cancer, when the cancer had metastasized beyond the organ itself, we found that the risk of developing that type of cancer increased by one third with excessive multivitamin use. Then we had a third group that died of prostate cancer and among those men we saw that the risk had actually doubled with excessive multivitamin use. So it appeared that the multivitamin use was not affecting the early stages and it was not affecting the moderate disease but it was affecting the advanced or aggressive disease.

An epidemiological study like this one doesn't prove cause and effect. How confident are you that there really is a causal relationship?
In a study that is designed like ours, there is no basis for concluding that there is a causal relation. So what we did was observe an association. A rigorous study would assign people certain doses of vitamins and then give a control group a different type or a placebo, which our study didn't do. So if you ask me point blank, our study cannot establish causality. It just raises concern, enough concern to publish because of the perceived health benefits of multivitamins. People think they are doing themselves good, but in the best case nothing happens and in the worst case it actually causes harm. So our study should be seen as raising concern and prompting further research.


So are there any men who should not be taking multivitamins, perhaps if they have a strong family history of prostate cancer?

My advice would be that people adhere to manufacturers’ recommendations in terms of these vitamins and not exceed the recommended daily allowance (RDA) by a factor of five- or tenfold, because I think that's probably what's happening. People are exceeding the RDA by quite a bit. What we're talking about here is excessive intake, in multiples of the RDA, and it's not just one vitamin, but multiple vitamins. For the people with family history the risk from excessive use was slightly higher than those without family history, but again it was only for people who were excessively using multivitamins. So even for people with a family history there is no reason to change anything or advise them against using multivitamins. But caution is warranted for the subset that is using multivitamins in excessive doses.


At excessive levels of intake, antioxidants can become harmful pro-oxidants. Is something similar going on with multivitamins?
It's not unthinkable that if you drastically increase the level of one single item that it may have an adverse effect on the body's function or inhibit the absorption of another substance. There are hints that it effects this balance. For example we know that beta carotene, which is a corotinoid, has about 600 isoforms, in other words there is not just one type. There are many forms which are very similar but differ in small respects. It appears that the whole spectrum might be important for the body's health, so if you grab one of those and you multiply the body's consumption manyfold, without the other kinds, who knows if the others aren't equally important. These multivitamins contain synthetic substances that have been isolated and are not in their natural forms, as in fruits and vegetables, which contain all their isoforms. So it might be the combination of having an isolated substance and administering it in ultra-high doses with unexplored effects. We don't know what that does to the body.

You specifically mention selenium, zinc and beta carotene. Is part of the problem that people are taking those supplements in addition to the multivitamins?
It always goes back to this basic notion, people do this because they think it's good for them. But what people are taking needs to be addressed carefully. There's a notion that selenium might protect against prostate cancer. There's a whole literature on the possible beneficial effects of these substances on cancer, and specifically prostate cancer, and that is probably true. But additional research is needed in parsing down what is the actual dosage and what is the relationship between the actual dosages. Can you actually overdose? Not like a drug overdose but a chronic overdose or excessive use or over-supplementation.

So from your evidence, what do you recommend people take away from this study?
I think it's wise to adhere to the RDA of multivitamins and I would be cautious to exceed the RDA by any magnitude. Taking a multivitamin for insurance, there's nothing to suggest that's bad for you. I think it would be safe to say that. But I would caution against the excessive use of multivitamins until more research comes. In our study the bottom line is not the multivitamins, per se, what we're worried about is unknown consequences of excessive uses of these substances.



how do you decide how much a person recquires a day?  someone who hits the gym 4 times a week, and does heavy work, they need much  more vitamins and minerals than your avarage Joe.  If this is the case we have to watch out for vegetables, because its dangerous. What a crack of shit. I ve taken 1strong pil multi vit/min for the past year a day. thats not dangerous. but if yu pop 3 pils a day+ plus your diet is full of vitamins than you re asking for problems. This is just a hype against the plls and the supplement industry. im sure you re better off with one multi pil a day, than zero. Bat as in everything in life, if you overuse its not healhy.

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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2007, 05:26:21 AM »
if that study told us which vitamins and minerals are bad in overuse , that would make more sence.  how did they come to this conclusion?  we all know if you eat 4 pounds of spinach a day, its bad for the health, becse you d have so much iron in your body, that you d be attracted by a magnet. this study s like kicking open doors.

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2007, 05:58:46 AM »
you guys will never learn anything if you dont listen to the master true adonis
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2007, 06:29:25 AM »
you guys will never learn anything if you dont listen to the master true adonis

haha fuck you daddy, there was already a thread about this on nutrition board by midniterambo, adonis just reposted t here.

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2007, 06:34:59 AM »
haha fuck you daddy, there was already a thread about this on nutrition board by midniterambo, adonis just reposted t here.

typical, you ask me for advice than you bash me
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Re: MORE BAD NEWS regarding Multivitamin usage!!
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2007, 06:52:34 AM »
typical, you ask me for advice than you bash me
nobody listens to you asshat waddy you are a stoner.
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