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I wanted to start this thread to hear thoughts on if people feel testosterone levels and mental tempermant levels are DIRECTLY linked as the media portrays.

Is roid rage from steroids or a new sense of accomplishment and success in the gym and manhood?


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Re: Discussion: Is testerone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2007, 05:02:11 PM »
it's TESTOSTERONE, and no "roid rage" is a myth made up by people looking for a hardcore image just like the ILS, string tank tops, gallon of water, Igloo cooler with 6 meals packed, Otomix, etc.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2007, 07:11:29 PM »
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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2007, 07:46:06 PM »
guys all one has to do is take a look at the female race and watch how they act when its "That time of the month"...Hormones going up and down...They are emotional basket cases...

Now take a man who plays around with hormones...You also get hormones going up and down...

I'm surprised that we haven't had more FEMALE bodybuilders that are messing around with hormones going on killing sprees...These Chicks are more fcked then anyone else on the planet...

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Re: Discussion: Is testerone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2007, 07:46:43 PM »
it's TESTOSTERONE, and no "roid rage" is a myth made up by people looking for a hardcore image just like the ILS, string tank tops, gallon of water, Igloo cooler with 6 meals packed, Otomix, etc.

LOL!!!!! great post!!!


an asshole is an asshole.....steroids are used as excuse for ones behavior. handle your shit......be a fucking man and dont meltdown at the drop of a hat...then point the finger at anything other than your own mental retardation....

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Re: Discussion: Is testerone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2007, 07:55:07 PM »
LOL!!!!! great post!!!


an asshole is an asshole.....steroids are used as excuse for ones behavior. handle your shit......be a fucking man and dont meltdown at the drop of a hat...then point the finger at anything other than your own mental retardation....


agreed...We are a society that likes to play the blame game...

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007, 08:00:52 PM »
guys all one has to do is take a look at the female race and watch how they act when its "That time of the month"...Hormones going up and down...They are emotional basket cases...

So you are saying the headaches, bodyaches, stomach cramps, dizziness, and bleeding out between your legs has nothing to do with a woman's tempermant during her period? NONE of that is a major factor of a woman's tempermant during her period?

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Re: Discussion: Is testerone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2007, 08:01:09 PM »
agreed...We are a society that likes to play the blame game...

tell me about it....theres always something/ someone to blame....and a pill to fix anything....

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2007, 08:39:05 PM »
So you are saying the headaches, bodyaches, stomach cramps, dizziness, and bleeding out between your legs has nothing to do with a woman's tempermant during her period? NONE of that is a major factor of a woman's tempermant during her period?

no I'm saying the opposite...But some chicks handle it well and some are just emotional shitbags...I think the same can be said with guys who take hormones...In the end i believe it all cancels each other out and then it boils down to some people are assholes who don't handle their shit and some people are fine...

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2007, 10:08:14 PM »
no I'm saying the opposite...But some chicks handle it well and some are just emotional shitbags...I think the same can be said with guys who take hormones...In the end i believe it all cancels each other out and then it boils down to some people are assholes who don't handle their shit and some people are fine...

Exactly.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 10:12:26 PM »
I wonder if there has been a credible scientific study on this. It would be interesting to see what some would have to say about it.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2007, 10:17:35 PM »
I wonder if there has been a credible scientific study on this. It would be interesting to see what some would have to say about it.
Of course there is a direct link.  There are mountains of evidence.

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Androgens, brain, and behavior
DR Rubinow and PJ Schmidt
National Institute of Mental Health, Bethesda, MD 20892-1276, USA.

OBJECTIVES: This article defines androgens (and anabolic steroids), describes their mechanisms of action, and summarizes their behavioral effects and relevance in animals and humans. METHOD: A MEDLINE-derived review of the literature on androgens and behavior was performed; pivotal earlier publications were also obtained and included in the review. RESULTS: In animals, the effects of androgens on brain structure and function are well-established and profound, with behavioral implications extending far beyond reproduction. Androgens play a prominent role in the organization or programming of brain circuits, which are subsequently activated by gonadal steroids. In humans, roles for androgens have been described, albeit inconsistently, in the regulation of sexuality, aggression, cognition, emotion, and personality. The relevance of androgens for psychiatry is further suggested by gender-related differences in pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics and in the prevalence, course, and treatment response characteristics of several psychiatric disorders. Direct psychoactive effects of exogenously administered androgens have been described for many years, most recently in reports of the psychotoxic effects of anabolic steroids. CONCLUSIONS: Data from both animals and humans suggest that the biological and behavioral responses to androgens are context-dependent.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2007, 10:21:50 PM »
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Psychiatric Complications of Anabolic Steroid Abuse
Ryan C.W. Hall, M.D., Richard C.W. Hall, M.D., and Marcia J. Chapman
Received March 9, 2004; revisions received June 29 and Aug. 19, 2004; accepted Sept. 27, 2004. From the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore; and the Department of Psychiatry, University of Florida, Gainesville. Address correspondence and reprint requests to Richard C.W. Hall, M.D., 100 East Sybelia Ave., Suite 210, Maitland, FL 32751.



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The authors review the literature from human and animal studies on the neurochemical and pathological psychiatric effects of supraphysiological doses of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) and discuss the AAS use and abuse patterns, additional drug use patterns, and personality and behavioral characteristics of AAS abusers.



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In 1889, physiologist Charles E. Brown-Sequard made the first public claims about the effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS). He announced that he had extracted a substance from dog and guinea pig testicles, which, when injected, had increased his strength, improved his intellect, provided relief from constipation, and increased the arc of his urine.1 Since then, an underground population of athletes, coaches, and recreational users has developed complicated AAS regimens to enhance their athletic performance and, in so doing, have unleashed a myriad of psychiatric complications such as addiction, depression, rage, and psychosis on themselves and the public at large.



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Historically, low doses of AAS have been used to treat depression and melancholia, either as primary agents or as adjuncts to standard treatment.1 Misuse of these agents has added a new term to the drug lexicon, "roids rage."2 Studies comparing steroid abusers with non-steroid-using athletes have shown steroid abusers to have a higher incidence and prevalence of psychiatric symptoms.3–5 The most prominent psychiatric features associated with AAS abuse are manic-like presentations defined by irritability, aggressiveness, euphoria, grandiose beliefs, hyperactivity, and reckless or dangerous behavior. Other psychiatric presentations include the development of acute psychoses, exacerbation of tics and depression, and the development of acute confusional/delirious states.2,6–8 Extreme variability of symptom presentation exists because of differences in the dose consumed, agent used, duration of use, personality type of the abuser, and current or previous use of other recreational drugs.2,9–11

Studies in which steroid abusers have been used as their own comparison subjects, in the attempt to eliminate the variable of personality disorder, have shown differences in the degree of hostility, aggression, and severity of manic-like symptoms during periods of use and nonuse.4–8 Pope and Katz,6,12 in their reviews of the literature, reported that studies in which steroid use is quantified and categorized on the basis of total weekly dosing have found that psychiatric symptoms become more common and severe as the dose increases. Studies that have used Pope and Katz’s categories of medium steroid use (between 300 and 1000 mg/week of any AAS) and high use (more than 1000 mg/week of any AAS)6 have demonstrated that 23% of subjects using these doses of steroids met the DSM-III-R criteria for a major mood syndrome (mania, hypomania, and major depression) and that 3.4%–12% developed psychotic symptoms.6,8

It is hard to determine whether the unexplained violent rages that occur with AAS abuse might be better understood as part of a paranoid psychotic state or as instances of unprovoked rage unassociated with other psychiatric findings (i.e., as a psychiatric or cognitive disorder or as an impulse control problem). Psychotic symptoms associated with the use of anabolic steroids generally occur among individuals consuming more than 1,000 mg of testosterone weekly.6 Classic presentations include grandiose and paranoid delusional states that often occur in the context of a frank psychotic or manic episode. The symptoms usually resolve within a few weeks after the individual has discontinued steroid use, although they may persist for as long as 1 month, even if adequately treated with antipsychotic medication. Reactions tend to be more agitated, violent, and coordinated than the agitation that occurs as an adverse reaction to corticosteroids, which can also produce idiosyncratic manic and psychotic symptoms.9,10



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Pope and Katz13 interviewed 41 bodybuilders and football players who had used AAS. Applying DSM-III-R criteria, they found that 22% displayed a full affective syndrome and 12% developed psychotic symptoms in association with their steroid use, suggesting that major psychiatric symptoms are an adverse effect of the misuse of these drugs. In a subsequent study, Pope and Katz6 used the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-III-R to compare 88 athletes who used steroids with 68 nonusers. They found that 23% of the AAS users reported major mood syndromes, including mania, hypomania, and major depression, in association with their steroid use. The steroid abusers experienced mood disorders significantly more frequently when using AAS than when they were steroid free.

Su et al.14 administered 40 mg/day and 240 mg/day of methyltestosterone in a 2-week, double-blind, fixed-order, placebo-controlled, crossover inpatient study of healthy male volunteers. The 20 men in the study were otherwise medication free and were free of any medical or psychiatric illness. The researchers noted higher symptom scores during high-dose methyltestosterone administration, compared with baseline. The changes were either mood-elevating effects, such as euphoria ("steroid rush"), increased energy, and increased sexual arousal and drive, or mood-dysphoric effects, such as irritability, mood swings, increasingly violent feelings, and increased hostility. The researchers also noted cognitive impairment, including distractibility, forgetfulness, and confusion, in subjects taking the higher dose of steroids. Baseline characteristics, including family history and history of previous drug abuse, did not predict the development or the nature of psychiatric symptoms.

In a randomized, placebo-controlled crossover trial, Pope et al.15 administered testosterone cypionate for 6 weeks in doses ranging to 600 mg/week, followed by 6 weeks of no treatment and then placebo for 6 weeks to 56 men ages 20–50 years. A variety of outcome measures were used to assess mania, aggression, and depression. The results showed that testosterone significantly increased mania, elevating scores on multiple instruments; that the drug was liked and sought after; and that aggression increased. The investigators noted that the response to the drug, however, was highly variable. Eighty-four percent of the subjects exhibited minimal to no psychiatric effects, 12% became mildly hypomanic, and 4% became markedly hypomanic. The investigators were not able to differentiate the manic responders from the nonresponders on the basis of demographic characteristics or baseline psychological, laboratory, or physiological measures.

Yates et al.16 examined the psychosocial effects of low-dose steroids in men as a possible form of birth control and found minimal risk of adverse psychosexual effects in the majority of men receiving less than 500 mg/week of testosterone cypionate. At a dose of 500 mg/week, however, a minority of subjects began to experience significant adverse psychological effects, such as dysphoria, irritability, and hypomania.

Hall et al.9–11 and Wyszynski and Wyszynski17 suggested that the adverse effects of testosterone may be similar to those of prednisone and other corticosteroids. Studies by Hall et al.9–11 and the Boston Collaborative Program18 have shown that adverse psychiatric effects increase with increasing dosages of corticosteroids, a finding similar to that of Pope et al.15 for AAS.



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Choi and Pope19 noted that increased aggression was associated with the illicit use of AAS by athletes and that the wives and girlfriends of these athletes often become the victims of physical abuse. In a controlled study, they interviewed 23 AAS-using strength athletes and 14 non-AAS using athletes. The AAS users reported significantly more fights, verbal aggression, and violence toward their significant other and had significantly higher scores on two of three indicators of violence during periods when they were taking AAS, compared to periods when they were not taking AAS. When they were not taking AAS, the AAS users were not distinguishable from nonusers on the aggression scales.

Bond et al.20 investigated the effects of AAS on attentional bias to aggressive cues in 46 male strength athletes. The researchers found no difference in attentional bias between AAS users and nonusers but noted that AAS users who were currently taking AAS had subtle mood changes and slowed cognitive performance, compared to users who were not actively taking AAS.

Anecdotal case reports published by Pope and Katz21 highlighted both the psychological and physical dangers of abusing AAS. They described three men with benign premorbid psychiatric histories and no evidence of antisocial personality disorder or violence who impulsively committed violent crimes, including murder, while taking AAS. Pope and Katz suggested that the steroids played a necessary, if not primary, role in the etiology of these violent behaviors. They concluded that steroid-induced violence poses a little-recognized public health threat.

We have seen six cases of AAS-induced criminal behavior—three homicides and three violent assaults. Two of the three lethal assaults were senseless, nonpremeditated, and occurred during a psychotic episode. In three of the six cases, there was evidence of significant antisocial behavior, violence, or criminal behavior before the steroid-related episode. The AAS psychosis in each case was remarkably similar to that in the others, as well as to AAS psychoses described in the literature, and included stereotypic qualities of irritability, aggressiveness, and grandiosity. In each case, an irrational thought of the patient or a minor deed of an unknown individual prompted a violent attack. The mental status of all six perpetrators cleared within weeks to 2 months, and they had specific memory of the act and of their delusional thinking at the time the act was committed.

Other studies have tried to measure aggression and psychiatric disturbances in AAS abusers by looking at how they died. An investigational study of 34 deceased male AAS abusers found that nine were the victims of homicide, 11 had committed suicide, and 12 died of accidental causes.22 The authors concluded that AAS abusers are at a higher risk of dying violently because of impulsive/aggressive behavior and/or depression.



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Studies examining neurochemical changes in sexually maturing/adolescent animal brains exposed to supraphysiological doses of AAS have found complex changes in multiple neurochemical communication pathways long associated with depression, anger, and sexual behavior in humans. Studies of neurohormonal receptors in adolescent rodent brains found that AAS exposure was associated with a decrease in the inhibitory receptors for -aminobutyric acid in the medial amygdala, medial preoptic area, and ventromedial nucleus of the hypothalamus.23,24 Studies in nandrolone-treated guinea pigs showed a significantly greater density of c-Fos and Fos-related antigen-positive neurons in the central nucleus of the amygdala and of Fos-related antigen-positive neurons in the frontal cortex, the shell of the nucleus accumbens, and the supraoptic nucleus.25 These areas have been shown to correlate with human brain areas that are involved in stress, behavioral, and reward responses. Animal studies have also shown that AAS have effects on serotonin receptors, specifically a significant down-regulation of 5-HT1B receptor density in the hippocampus CA1 region and the medial globus pallidus and a significant up-regulation of 5-HT2 receptor density in the nucleus accumbens shell.26 Alterations in receptor density were also observed in the lateral globus pallidus, ventromedial hypothalamus, amygdala, and intermediate layers of various cortical regions. In studies of the anterior hypothalamic-arginine vasopressin (AH-AVP) neural system in animals treated with anabolic steroids, the treated animals had biting tendencies and less time to provocation to bite, compared with control animals; these effects could be reduced or reversed by using AH-AVP antagonists.27



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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2007, 10:30:01 PM »
You might want to define "directly" and "mental temperment"

Do you mean causation (i.e. dose dependent cause & effect)?

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2007, 10:31:16 PM »
You might want to define "directly" and "mental temperment"

Do you mean causation (i.e. dose dependent cause & effect)?
The best advice is to never, ever use any kind of steroid.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2007, 10:34:30 PM »
The best advice is to never, ever use any kind of steroid.

Sorry, my above comment was directed to ThisIsKeith.

But I disagree TA, certain medical conditions warrant the use of androgens, and many warrant the use of corticalsteroids, but I'm assuming you are referring to "elective" usage, and I agree

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2007, 10:41:43 PM »
Sorry, my above comment was directed to ThisIsKeith.

But I disagree TA, certain medical conditions warrant the use of androgens, and many warrant the use of corticalsteroids, but I'm assuming you are referring to "elective" usage, and I agree
Yes, elective.

 I do think all drugs should be legal and people should be able to shorten their lifespan  remove themselves from the human genome by choice.  Human stupidity knows no bounds.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2007, 10:45:03 PM »
You might want to define "directly" and "mental temperment"

Do you mean causation (i.e. dose dependent cause & effect)?

I mean, is 'roid rage' a self-induced hardcore mentality?

There have been reports that some creatine users have been accused of 'roid rage' but no traces of synthetic testosterone in them.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2007, 10:50:19 PM »
The best advice is to never, ever use any kind of steroid.

"just say no"

yeah, that's going to work, because it always has, right?

people who take steroids are usually (let's be honest here) insecure individuals that want to make an impression with their physiques and the impression is usually based on intimidiation and machismo. where that stems from? well, i won't speculate on that for point of brevity.

they cover themselves with excess muscle tissue to shield them from all those perceived threats.

when said bber actually becomes large and muscular they start feeling more superior, they imagine that all they have to do is flex their muscles and people will respect/fear them.

add in steroids and you have an exponential rise in this mindset.

they want to believe that with the extra size they have real power in society and when people don't conform they exaggerate the visual impression (kind of like a gorrilla beating his chest) and thus 'roid rage'.

women: men, from the time of birth start learning a pecking order, they learn macho ideals, get into fights at school, don't mess with that guy, etc, etc. women don't (usually) so when they suddenly becomes as strong and imposing as men SOMETIMES they act this out too. again, many female bbers have the same insecurity.

testosterone does not make people become anti-social and there is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that it does. people make themselves become anti-social

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2007, 10:57:48 PM »
I mean, is 'roid rage' a self-induced hardcore mentality?

There have been reports that some creatine users have been accused of 'roid rage' but no traces of synthetic testosterone in them.

I think its case dependent. There are too many factors to tease out 1 answer. There maybe underlying factors, genetics, temperment etc...

But clearly the media mislabelled those cases that you mentioned. They could just as easily mislabel accounts of road rage, or wife beatings or gang violence "roid rage"

There is no question exogenous testosterone can affect mood. But it can have different effects on different individuals. The answer to your question is "sometimes"

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2007, 11:41:00 PM »
I think its case dependent. There are too many factors to tease out 1 answer. There maybe underlying factors, genetics, temperment etc...

But clearly the media mislabelled those cases that you mentioned. They could just as easily mislabel accounts of road rage, or wife beatings or gang violence "roid rage"

There is no question exogenous testosterone can affect mood. But it can have different effects on different individuals. The answer to your question is "sometimes"
Exactly.

But the havoc wreaked on the Enodcrine system is the worst part.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2007, 03:38:21 AM »
Exactly.

But the havoc wreaked on the Enodcrine system is the worst part.


TA what do you think about men over the age of say 35 with low test levels using shit like androgel to bring their levels up to the top of normal?

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2007, 05:50:19 AM »
Exactly.

But the havoc wreaked on the Enodcrine system is the worst part.

This guy wants to ban steroids, but make coke and other drugs legal.
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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2007, 05:57:44 AM »
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT LINKED YOU F****N PUSSYHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT THE F**K IS YOUR PROBLEM MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2007, 06:42:40 AM »
A normal level of test is needed to have proper mental function for men. Test is even medically indicated for use in male "climacteric" (Male Menopause like symptoms).

From personal experience I can tell you the right level of Test has a guy alert, high energy, optimistic,
.... etc.

But, when the level runs high enough, and conversion to Estro/ Progest starts, guy can have irrational PMS like personality issues. Ok, couple that w/ a 320lb very strong dude who is a aggressive asshole to start w/ and you have a bad recipe.

I personally feel AAS magnify personalty a bit. Even tempered, positive dude feels even better, a guy thats a raving asshole to start... ::)