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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2007, 07:29:37 AM »
 I am not promoting steroids but these studies have to be read carefully. Remember even scientists are not free from promoting their own narrative.

Studies that have used Pope and Katz’s categories of medium steroid use (between 300 and 1000 mg/week of any AAS) and high use (more than 1000 mg/week of any AAS)6 have demonstrated that 23% of subjects using these doses of steroids met the DSM-III-R criteria for a major mood syndrome (mania, hypomania, and major depression) and that 3.4%–12% developed psychotic symptoms.6,8
70% did not experience these symptoms


variability of symptom presentation exists because of differences in the dose consumed, agent used, duration of use, personality type of the abuser, and current or previous use of other recreational drugs.2,9–11 " 
Wouldn't it be logical for a scientist not to use recreational drug users in a controlled scientific study

In a randomized, placebo-controlled crossover trial, Pope et al.15 administered testosterone cypionate for 6 weeks in doses ranging to 600 mg/week, followed by 6 weeks of no treatment ........
The investigators noted that the response to the drug, however, was highly variable. Eighty-four percent of the subjects exhibited minimal to no psychiatric effects, 12% became mildly hypomanic, and 4% became markedly hypomanic.

Yates et al.16 examined the psychosocial effects of low-dose steroids in men as a possible form of birth control and found minimal risk of adverse psychosexual effects in the majority of men receiving less than 500 mg/week of testosterone cypionate.

Su et al.14 administered 40 mg/day and 240 mg/day of methyltestosterone in a 2-week...geeez  40 -240 mg of an Oral Steroid, who woudn't go crazy.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2007, 07:35:32 AM »
Also, Remember: Statistics often Show what the person who Paid for hte research Wanted them to show.

The general Pop also comes down w/ these symptoms to.

You WILL FIND, What U LOOK 4!

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2007, 08:40:29 AM »
steroid psych tests on animal ...hahahhah

animal pyschological expermients are by far the most invalid of all animal experimentation and it would be foolish to extrapolate any of the findings to human beings.

Laboratory animals are already pyschological damaged by living outside of their natural habitats, outside of their normal social structures and denied instinctual behavioral expression. On top of that they are  cramped inside small cages in a laboratory, undergoing daily experiments most of their lives.

There is no validity in any experiment that trys to determine the pyschological states of these animals. It is bogus science.

Most pyschologists/pyschiatrists condemn any kind of pyschological tests on animals.

Laboratory housing conditions have significant physiological and psychological effects on rodents, raising both scientific and humane concerns. Published studies of rats, mice and other rodents were reviewed to document behavioural and psychological problems attributable to predominant laboratory housing conditions. Studies indicate that rats and mice value opportunities to take cover, build nests, explore, gain social contact, and exercise some control over their social milieu, and that the inability to satisfy these needs is physically and psychologically detrimental, leading to impaired brain development and behavioural anomalies (e.g. stereotypies). To the extent that space is a means to gain access to such resources, spatial confinement likely exacerbates these deficits. Adding environ- mental ‘enrichments’ to small cages reduces but does not eliminate these problems, and I argue that substantial changes in housing and husbandry conditions would be needed to further reduce them.
J P Balcombe, Ph.D.

The human cortex has 10 times the surface area of that of a monkey.5
The V 1 area (one of the predominant visual areas in the brain) makes up 10 percent of the total cortex in monkeys and only 3 percent of the total cortex in humans.6
Similar visual areas perform very different functions in humans and monkeys.7, 8
The number of synapses—or connections—a human neuron makes is between 7,000 and 10,000. In the rhesus monkey, that number is between 2,000 and 6,000.4
The expression of at least 91 genes involved in a variety of neural mechanisms differ between monkeys and humans.9
Humans have visual processing areas that do not exist in monkeys.10
As one primate researcher stated, “the human brain …is more than simply a large monkey or ape brain.”11 Undoubtedly, similarities exist in primate and human neurophysiology. However, given the advances in medicine today, the differences between species is far more important than the similarities. Technology has given researchers the ability to examine the nuances of physiological mechanisms in order to specifically target an intervention, such as a drug to boost or inhibit a specific cellular process. For this, we need the most accurate possible information about the neurological system of humans – not monkeys. 

Researchers can study human neurology in an ethical manner. Many clinical centers use imaging and neurophysiologic tools to map and monitor the human visual and other neurological systems. Centers such as Princeton University, the University of Chicago, the University of Pennsylvania, and Minnesota State University use functional MRIs, PET scans, and evoked potentials (which record the brain’s electrical patterns) to collect relevant data on human neural processing and anatomy.12-15 With these and many more wonderful tools available for noninvasive study of the human brain, we can most effectively help patients who suffer from neurological diseases.
Aysha Akhtar, M.D., M.P.H

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2007, 06:42:33 AM »
Also, Remember: Statistics often Show what the person who Paid for hte research Wanted them to show.

The general Pop also comes down w/ these symptoms to.

You WILL FIND, What U LOOK 4!

abolsutely, In Isreal, even their best scientists were completely scammed. Some crook claimed to have proof of the Temple of Solomon, some kind of tableau or grave marker or something. These scientist, the best in Isreal studied it, examined it hours on end and decided it was real and thus the Temple of Solomon did exists.

HAHAHAH, what a joke, they were completley blinded by their faith....The tableau was a complete fake and any amature scientists could have seen the evidence.   It was a huge embarrassement to Isreal and any religious person insisting that events from the Bible are true.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2007, 07:23:45 AM »
Scientist's are crooks too. They often sell out to politicians and corporations.

In order for a scientist to make money or get famous he has to  publish, publish, publish. And the only way to get published is to get the results the government or corporations want. That could mean spinning data, skewing results, weak science, anything to get the desired result.  They get published. The coprorations get rich. All is well.  Except the public gets duped.

Many scientists live by the motto......."Practice, Publish, Profit."

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2007, 12:45:52 PM »
roid rage is most likely when first starting large quantities of test.........

Not in my personal experience. The point where a lot of aromatization (2-3wks min) is.
ALso the AAS that flip to progest (Deca) are more likely to have irrational PMS like rants associated.
Just itchin for a fight Kind'a  shit...

But, just  'cause you'd LIKE to jerk some Moron out their car window and make a face stencil in their door skin w/  'em, dont mean you  do it. Theres sutch a thing as being a Big Boy.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2007, 12:54:59 PM »
A normal level of test is needed to have proper mental function for men. Test is even medically indicated for use in male "climacteric" (Male Menopause like symptoms).

From personal experience I can tell you the right level of Test has a guy alert, high energy, optimistic,
.... etc.

But, when the level runs high enough, and conversion to Estro/ Progest starts, guy can have irrational PMS like personality issues. Ok, couple that w/ a 320lb very strong dude who is a aggressive asshole to start w/ and you have a bad recipe.


So, roid rage is caused not by AAS, but by failing to use proper aromatase inhibitors!  ;D ;D
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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2007, 01:05:24 PM »

So, roid rage is caused not by AAS, but by failing to use proper aromatase inhibitors!  ;D ;D

Roid rage is caused by immature assholes who cant control their emotions who are assholes to start with.
They tend to Fuck up in every area that they can regardless of steroids.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2007, 01:53:29 PM »


" I do think all drugs should be legal and people should be able to shorten their lifespan  remove themselves from the human genome by choice.  Human stupidity knows no bounds."

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2007, 02:07:13 PM »
Me too, It'd be a lot cheaper to deal w/ the treatment of people who want to quit than what we do now in total futility.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2007, 09:52:52 AM »
Roid rage is caused by immature assholes who cant control their emotions who are assholes to start with.
They tend to Fuck up in every area that they can regardless of steroids.

yes, and it just so happens that this type of person is attracted to the idea of taking roids.

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Re: Discussion: Is testosterone and mental tempermant DIRECTLY linked?
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2007, 10:11:03 AM »
yes, and it just so happens that this type of person is attracted to the idea of taking roids.


Unfortunately many are. They also have no clue how it works.
Fortunately most juice is Bogus or underdosed @ best ;D
Prolly a lot of Placebo Roid Rage to tell ya the truth.