Author Topic: Whats the story with Vince Gironda? (Read 19531 times)

Bluto · « **on:** July 05, 2007, 07:50:38 AM »

guy seem to have legend status around certain parts... but i dont think he looks that good at all

what gives?

DK II · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2007, 07:56:00 AM »

didn't he claim to be natural?

Condor · « **Reply #2 on:** July 05, 2007, 07:57:28 AM »

All I remember is that he didn't care for Arnold's arrogance and thought he was overrated.

swilkins1984 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:03:12 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 07:50:38 AM

guy seem to have legend status around certain parts... but i dont think he looks that good at all

what gives?

Vince Gironda opposed to steroids. He had some interesting training philosophies one two of which were that the bench press was not great for chest and NO SQUATTING because it supposedly gives you wide hips and a big looking ass. I thought he had a great physique. His best pupils were Larry Scott and Mohamed Mokkawy.

hifrommike · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:22:59 AM »

http://www.criticalbench.com/VinceGironda.htm

Bluto · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:26:42 AM »

well im not impressed with his physique. what so special with his chest for example?

Cleanest Natural · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:28:21 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 08:26:42 AM

well im not impressed with his physique. what so special with his chest for example?

looks about 10x better than yours will ever be..that's what's special

Bluto · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:35:40 AM »

Quote from: sevastase on July 05, 2007, 08:28:21 AM

looks about 10x better than yours will ever be..that's what's special

that's all? then i was right there's nothing special with it

No Patience · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:43:58 AM »

are you kidding? he looks fuckng awesome...

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:55:56 AM »

Gironda dip, negroids!

Bluto · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:06:41 AM »

Bluto · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:15:28 AM »

a few examples from vinces list of common errors in bodybuilding

# overtraining (anything over 45 minutes is overtraining)

# bench presses for pecs

# leg presses

# jogging

# cheating exercises

# presses for deltoid

# mixing carbs and protein

# swimming

# side bends

# music in the gym (!)

Nordic Beast · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:28:56 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 07:50:38 AM

guy seem to have legend status around certain parts... but i don't think he looks that good at all

what gives?

you're out of your mind if you think Gironda looks like shit-------------------he's got a physique even the Greek sculptors would be jealous of

he was like Arnold in the way he shaped his body as a piece of art, finely crafting each line, symmetry and balance

his ideal physique or vision may not be what some prefer today----but in the sense of an actual attainable physique in natural terms I think his is pretty ideal -----and I also think if beginner bb's and kids looked up to his physique instead of someone like Ruhl's for example, the stigma of bbing wouldn't be as negative as it is today.

with that said though I do also appreciate the freaks of the sport----I like seeing the extremes of human development---but unlike some who appreciate the freaks I can also step back and look at these classical aesthetic physiques with awe and respect

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:30:43 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 09:15:28 AM

a few examples from vinces list of common errors in bodybuilding

# overtraining (anything over 45 minutes is overtraining)

# bench presses for pecs

# leg presses

# jogging

# cheating exercises

# presses for deltoid

# mixing carbs and protein

# swimming

# side bends

# music in the gym (!)

Vince is a fucktard. Is he dead?

Bluto · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Beast on July 05, 2007, 09:28:56 AM

you're out of your mind if you think Gironda looks like shit-------------------he's got a physique even the Greek sculptors would be jealous of

he was like Arnold in the way he shaped his body as a piece of art, finely crafting each line, symmetry and balance

his ideal physique or vision may not be what some prefer today----but in the sense of an actual attainable physique in natural terms I think his is pretty ideal -----and I also think if beginner bb's and kids looked up to his physique instead of someone like Ruhl's for example, the stigma of bbing wouldn't be as negative as it is today.

with that said though I do also appreciate the freaks of the sport----I like seeing the extremes of human development---but unlike some who appreciate the freaks I can also step back and look at these classical aesthetic physiques with awe and respect

i dont like the way he looks. legs looks like on an old lady.
upper body is allright but not as good as he seemed to think.

Nordic Beast · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:48:00 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 09:31:55 AM

i dont like the way he looks. legs looks like on an old lady.
upper body is allright but not as good as he seemed to think.

Even though I respect his vision and his intensity

I dont agree with some of his training methods--------especially the squat arguement

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:49:22 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Beast on July 05, 2007, 09:48:00 AM

Even though I respect his vision and his intensity

I dont agree with some of his training methods--------especially the squat arguement

Only the squat arguement hmm?

chainsaw · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:50:05 AM »

I remember walkin into vince's gym 20 yrs ago in studio city Ca. No music, no walkmans allowed. All hardcore with very very old equipment. He believed in the atkins type of diet. Don't know what much else, I went in, and was a skinny rock and roll style back then. I got scared and never went back.

Bluto · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:53:40 AM »

another gem from vince

"do not drink water during workouts or with meals. water is a weightgaining substance"

Colossus_1986 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:56:03 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 09:53:40 AM

another gem from vince

"do not drink water during workouts or with meals. water is a weightgaining substance"

yeah, right, water...sure...who needs it anyways...
it's only a life-necessity...guys a genious

knny187 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:56:31 AM »

He was all about conditioning. He was the 'originator' & had visions about how things were supposed to be before anyone was doing it.

Basically called Arnold a Fat Austrian Boy & Arnold's jaw dropped.

Arnold wanted to be trained by Vince.....Vince agreed....Arnold was reborn.

Max_Rep · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2007, 10:07:50 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 09:53:40 AM

another gem from vince

"do not drink water during workouts or with meals. water is a weightgaining substance"

Funny I have every one of his books and booklets and I've NEVER seen that quote. My guess is that you made it up. Vince had a lot of good concepts that other people took and didn't credit him for. He had people doing crunches in the 50's before anyone else, low pulley rows before anyone else.

He had a workout that that he called 10 sets of 10 that Bill Phillips printed as German Volume training.

There was much more.

pumpster · « **Reply #22 on:** July 05, 2007, 10:19:27 AM »

The bright ones already know that the best theorists like Gironda and Jones were right most of the time. Pick and choose from their lists. Agreed on barbell benches being unnecessary, disagree on squats, agree on most of the others.

Weider really looked up to him as the master, still does which is why Arnold was sent to him for a reality check and why Vince's equipment was installed in Weider's home gym.

Vince was a personal trainer in LA to hollywood actors getting them in shape decades before it became common.

No water allowed sounds like more internet made-up crap. If it was mentioned it was probably something about not drinking too much water.

Bluto · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2007, 10:22:48 AM »

Quote from: Max_Rep on July 05, 2007, 10:07:50 AM

Funny I have every one of his books and booklets and I've NEVER seen that quote. My guess is that you made it up. Vince had a lot of good concepts that other people took and didn't credit him for. He had people doing crunches in the 50's before anyone else, low pulley rows before anyone else.

He had a workout that that he called 10 sets of 10 that Bill Phillips printed as German Volume training.

There was much more.

it's from the 334 page book vince gironda legend & myth. whether it's a genuine quote i dont know.

timfogarty · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2007, 11:01:15 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on July 05, 2007, 07:50:38 AM

guy seem to have legend status around certain parts... but i dont think he looks that good at all
what gives?

that pic is from about 1960, and Vince was already in his 40s. back then, bodybuilding was a very young man's sport. 30 was considered past your peak, 35 was very old.