Why such low weights when training with Milos???

[Bluto]

So the squat ALWAYS has to be the first exercise and not the fourth or fifth? You could never do extensions, lunges, hacks and then squats?   

Hmmmm... I'll have to remember that.

If you’ve built quality muscle with conventional training and heavy weights why do you think that it is just going to wilt and dry up with a month or two of experimenting with something else?

Do you really think that muscle development is THAT volatile?

I’m not even arguing that one should completely switch over to Milo’s type of training (and by the way he did not originate the method, Steve Michalik has been training people like this for years. Arthur Jones, Gironda, Larry Scott and many others all had their own variations of this method).       

stick to the subject.

you claimed the first set was max set to the rep of 10

is that correct?

i gotta check through the fitshows, videos etc again because i havent seen it

[Max_Rep]

stick to the subject.

BM... stick with your method. You seem to know it all.

[Bluto]

BM... stick with your method. You seem to know it all.

what method? you claim milos training starts off with a MAX set of 10 reps? sounds like some kinda HIT routine with additional light sets for pump

[Bluto]

allright ive took a quick look at the video again, hard to see what their first exercise is, but let's say the first set is the hardest and the rest is without rest then it wont come down to strength it will come down to endurance. the more endurance you got the better off you are. otherwise you will not be able to get very far, end up puking etc, not because your muscles say stop - but because your endurance say stop and your conditioning.

so let's say it's 1 set heavy and - 3-4 sets for endurance
why this would be better than 3 set heavy is beyond me.

looks like your cheating yourself off 2 heavy sets (or 4-5 or even 6 sets if you're into volume, like for example lee priest)

someone like ronnie wouldnt do ver well since he wont have the heart and conditioning for this type of training. on the other hand, those who who do would have a hard time training like ronnie because theyre not used to that kinda weight for several sets.

[Bluto]

garreth hardcore training with no weights at all now thats hardcore

imagine working so slow that you dont need ANY WEIGHTS! thats brutal

[MB_722]

allright ive took a quick look at the video again, hard to see what their first exercise is, but let's say the first set is the hardest and the rest is without rest then it wont come down to strength it will come down to endurance. the more endurance you got the better off you are. otherwise you will not be able to get very far, end up puking etc, not because your muscles say stop - but because your endurance say stop and your conditioning.

so let's say it's 1 set heavy and - 3-4 sets for endurance
why this would be better than 3 set heavy is beyond me.

looks like your cheating yourself off 2 heavy sets (or 4-5 or even 6 sets if you're into volume, like for example lee priest)

someone like ronnie wouldnt do ver well since he wont have the heart and conditioning for this type of training. on the other hand, those who who do would have a hard time training like ronnie because theyre not used to that kinda weight for several sets.

Look at the endrance strongmen have. Shouldn't just be statues.

[garraeth]

garreth hardcore training with no weights at all now thats hardcore

imagine working so slow that you dont need ANY WEIGHTS! thats brutal

Today we did chest. It hurt so bad I felt like shooting myself in the head. omg
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.msg2217549#msg2217549

I cant even remember what we did -- it's all a blur...

[chris2489]

My problem with milos style of training is the volume. You should do the least amount of volume possible to stimulate muscle so you can recover quicker and hit a muscle more frequently so you can get more growth phases. Milos style takes longer to recover from which means less growth phases.

[TheDoctor]

My problem with milos style of training is the volume. You should do the least amount of volume possible to stimulate muscle so you can recover quicker and hit a muscle more frequently so you can get more growth phases. Milos style takes longer to recover from which means less growth phases.

I do the Arnolds Encyclopedia Bodybuilding routine though it takes me 2/2 to3 hours to do 6 days a week 3 muscle groups a week it works well though compared to Milos routine i take 1to 2 minute rests per set.Some of what Croatch said is true you have the androgens in your body you grow like a weed if you stimulate the muscle groups in any manner.I use the dark side of the force sometimes and thats when im balls to the wall Heavy and change my routine to core lifts heavy with fewer reps and sets.
But i have found natural with volume is your best bet be it Milos way or Arnies way you get the best results and i truly believe if you followed Milos routine you would grow to your natural genetic size.But than can be said of half dozen routines put out by the gurus you just have to be intense and fanaticle about your training.

[Bluto]

Look at the endrance strongmen have. Shouldn't just be statues.

yes but ive seen how strong men train and they train nothing like that! one heavy set wouldnt be enough

[Bluto]

Today we did chest. It hurt so bad I felt like shooting myself in the head. omg
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.msg2217549#msg2217549

I cant even remember what we did -- it's all a blur...

did you do bench presses with the bar only? thats hardcore!

[Milos_Sarcev]

did you do bench presses with the bar only? thats hardcore!

Bluto,

You can come to my gym ANYTIME and show us how hardcore you really are.
I can even invite Fitshow guys to tape our training session...

Any day next week good for you?

[bigmc]

Bluto,

You can come to my gym ANYTIME and show us how hardcore you really are.
I can even invite Fitshow guys to tape our training session...

Any day next week good for you?

don't hold your breath

[Bluto]

Bluto,

You can come to my gym ANYTIME and show us how hardcore you really are.
I can even invite Fitshow guys to tape our training session...

Any day next week good for you?

depends on how you define hardcore. your definition of hardcore seems to be little or no rest - and of course that is tough on the body. but so is running.
it's very easy to be outta breath but is being outta breath a good thing? that remains the question.

[Bluto]

don't hold your breath

holding breath between sets is very demanding on the body and will make you tired = tired equals hardcore and can lead to vomiting.

[Milos_Sarcev]

depends on how you define hardcore. your definition of hardcore seems to be little or no rest - and of course that is tough on the body. but so is running.
it's very easy to be outta breath but is being outta breath a good thing? that remains the question.

HARDCORE session with me doesn't interest you?

I will NOT charge you anything - if you can even manage to do what few of my female clients do...

You question my training principles and how hardcore or effective my workouts truly are...and I am offering you THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT.

Are you hardcore enough... or you are going to come up with every excuse in the book to avoid the challenge?

[TheDoctor]

HARDCORE session with me doesn't interest you?

I will NOT charge you anything - if you can even manage to do what few of my female clients do...

You question my training principles and how hardcore or effective my workouts truly are...and I am offering you THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT.

Are you hardcore enough... or you are going to come up with every excuse in the book to avoid the challenge?

Im calling your Bluff Milos just send me a return ticket from Down under and accommodation and i will be there.
Milos got GUSTAVO BADELL FROM A THIRD TIER PRO TO ONE OF THE BEST BODYBUILDERS IN THE WORLD enough said.
Been in the Iron game for 17 years Milos and have tried some crazy cycles that got me very big,Why lie about the Pros Dosages i do not understand please clarify your comments.
Was a big fan of yours in the 90s i believe in your methods but please be honest with Pro cycles.

[Croatch]

With proper diet, a ton of drugs, mediocre genetics...one can achieve pretty much anything in a gym, even lifting light ass weight.  Believe me, you try lifting that bitch weight with zero drugs and you'll look like a marathon runner.

[musclecenter]

I have adopted HIT training principle over 30years
But since I try  Milos's HARDCORE Giant Set  training ,It's real No-bullshit !!!
You try,then you know !

Hey guys ,try it in the gym . no more talk here !

Train HARD,or go home !

[Bluto]

HARDCORE session with me doesn't interest you?

I will NOT charge you anything - if you can even manage to do what few of my female clients do...

You question my training principles and how hardcore or effective my workouts truly are...and I am offering you THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT.

Are you hardcore enough... or you are going to come up with every excuse in the book to avoid the challenge?

Let's do it the other way around - you can come to Prague and train with me.

First we'll do breathing squats - 20 reps and 10 sets. no rest between.

Then we'll do hill sprints.

Then we'll go swimming.

Then we'll go bowling.

Then we'll go pushing a car in a parking lot.

After that we'll go to Burger King and bench the fattest person there for reps.

I'm sure eventually we'll both get tired and possibly puke. What does that tell us about putting on muscle mass? Nothing.

But it sure would be hardcore and I guess that's what counts right?

 

[Bluto]

I have adopted HIT training principle over 30years
But since I try  Milos's HARDCORE Giant Set  training ,It's real No-bullshit !!!
You try,then you know !

Hey guys ,try it in the gym . no more talk here !

Train HARD,or go home !

What's train hard? Are you saying the 99% of people training in the world that doesn't do giant sets doesn't train hard?

How about training smart? Now that's a concept!

But maybe ego and macho means more?

[musclecenter]

How about training smart? Now that's a concept!

Yes,when you getting older you training smarter !

but I still try to train hard .

[benchthis]

   all the top guys train like milos they just keep it under wraps so they could sell there videos  [/size]

[benchthis]

bump

[chris2489]

Getting stronger=Getting bigger provided nutrition and rest are adequate, simple as that. You can dropset, super set, giant set, etc. all you want but if the weight doesn't increase or increases slowly gains are going to be little(slow weight increase) to none(no increase). This is common sense.