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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #150 on: July 12, 2007, 10:35:17 PM »
I have ZERO problem with someone trying to make a living.  None. 

I have ZERO problem with someone involved in bodybuilding doing what everyone else is doing while they try to make their LIVING through bodybuilding.  NONE WHATSOEVER.

Where I have a problem is with people that ARE NOT REAL about who/what they are.  If you rely on drugs to make a living, then DAMNIT, SAY THAT YOU DO.  Don't preach to others about this or that when you don't follow that road yourself.  "DO as I SAY, NOT as I DO" sound familiar? 

There are a few things people can do in life. 

-  Make the most out of the abilities/attibutes you were born with.

-  Work your ass off to be successful.

-  Do everything you can to OVERCOME OBSTICLES.

-  Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself.

This is JUST MY OPINION (trust me, there are people out there who do not WANT  YOU to have your own OPINION on ANYTHING......)...

-  Do NOT tell everyone about GOD and RELIGION when your life is based on vanity. 

-  Do NOT break MAN'S LAW to spread your "message" while there are MANY different ways that you could touch lives outside of bodybuilding that don't require that you be a criminal.

-  Do NOT live a life that REQUIRES you to tell others to do as you SAY...not as you DO....

Understand? 

Opinion/response stated. 

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #151 on: July 13, 2007, 03:20:37 AM »
And thus god said:

Goest and taketh the steroid, for they are the true way to make you big. Spread the word of the almighty, for steroids make you bigger than supplements.
Beware thee of buying supplements from Koloseum, for thou will fall for the devil if you pay more than 30 bucks for supplements.
Oh and if thou areth a true believer, add some winnies for cutting.

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Re: Mark Dugdale
« Reply #152 on: July 13, 2007, 07:01:26 AM »
I love the response that vanity is what makes bodybuilding/taking steroids a sin. Vanity can encompass everything from wearing nice clothes to getting braces or wearing makeup. Many pro's get their gear legally and if that is the case then what is the problem? By the way everyone sins and being a Christian does not make you perfect..far from it.

Haha just like Chris Benoit, right?

Even the most progressive MD isnt going to prescribe more then a few hundred MG of test per week with some possible hGH.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #153 on: July 13, 2007, 07:19:36 AM »
I do believe the bible to be the literal word of god, as far as it is translated correctly. The bible has been translated so many times that it has been changed for its original intent in some respects. I am a mormon so i also have the book of mormon to compliment the bible. So i do take my morality from more than one source

I have asked my bishop if taking steroids was okay and he said that as long as i am doing legally and not abusing them then i am ok. So in this case i can have my cake and eat it

I am not suprised you are a Mormon. Mormons, "the true chosen people of God" are know for changing "Gods rules" on a daily basis to suit their own selfish needs. When the church was first formed by Joseph Smith (a charlatan, snake oil salesman) he declared that any Mormon can speak with God directly. This is how he recruited millions and got rich. But that proved a calamity. Everyone was coming forward and saying God spoke to me last night and he said this was a sin and that was a sin. This is how they would justify their own wrong doings, one of them polygomy.

Mormons were changing their rules monthly. The church leaders seeing this was a problem decided that the only Mormons that can speak directly to God were the leaders. This also proved problematic because there were more than one leader getting confilicting orders directly from God. Usually orders that benefited the reciever in some selfish way. Today the fundamentalist Mormons, the ones who practice polygamy still believe that any Mormon can talk directly to God, this is how they justify polygomy and other sins, like child molestation.

The only reason Elizabeth Smart went so willingly with her abductor was because she was raised Mormon. She believed that God could actually speak to her and thus believed her abductor when he told her he was sent directly from God to marry her. If she was not brainwashed by the Mormon church into this ridiculous notion  maybe she would have screamed and gotten away from this creep.  Thanks to a smart police officer,  she is alive today.

A good read "Under the Banner of Heaven" By: Krakauer, Jon   It is a pretty damning book on the hypocrisy of the Mormon church.

"At the core of his book is an appalling double murder committed by two Mormon Fundamentalist brothers, Ron and Dan Lafferty, who insist they received a revelation from God commanding them to kill their blameless victims. Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this “divinely inspired” crime, Krakauer constructs a multilayered, bone-chilling narrative of messianic delusion, savage violence, polygamy, and unyielding faith. Along the way, he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of America’s fastest-growing religion, and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief."

I am sure there are many moderate Mormons, but the majority are very extreme and they live amoungst us believing that they are the only ones God will let into heaven, the rest of us are going to Hell. 

BTW, Every time you stay at a Marriot Hotel you are putting money into the Mormon church.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #154 on: July 13, 2007, 10:07:40 AM »
I am not suprised you are a Mormon. Mormons, "the true chosen people of God" are know for changing "Gods rules" on a daily basis to suit their own selfish needs. When the church was first formed by Joseph Smith (a charlatan, snake oil salesman) he declared that any Mormon can speak with God directly. This is how he recruited millions and got rich. But that proved a calamity. Everyone was coming forward and saying God spoke to me last night and he said this was a sin and that was a sin. This is how they would justify their own wrong doings, one of them polygomy.

Mormons were changing their rules monthly. The church leaders seeing this was a problem decided that the only Mormons that can speak directly to God were the leaders. This also proved problematic because there were more than one leader getting confilicting orders directly from God. Usually orders that benefited the reciever in some selfish way. Today the fundamentalist Mormons, the ones who practice polygamy still believe that any Mormon can talk directly to God, this is how they justify polygomy and other sins, like child molestation.

The only reason Elizabeth Smart went so willingly with her abductor was because she was raised Mormon. She believed that God could actually speak to her and thus believed her abductor when he told her he was sent directly from God to marry her. If she was not brainwashed by the Mormon church into this ridiculous notion  maybe she would have screamed and gotten away from this creep.  Thanks to a smart police officer,  she is alive today.

A good read "Under the Banner of Heaven" By: Krakauer, Jon   It is a pretty damning book on the hypocrisy of the Mormon church.

"At the core of his book is an appalling double murder committed by two Mormon Fundamentalist brothers, Ron and Dan Lafferty, who insist they received a revelation from God commanding them to kill their blameless victims. Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this “divinely inspired” crime, Krakauer constructs a multilayered, bone-chilling narrative of messianic delusion, savage violence, polygamy, and unyielding faith. Along the way, he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of America’s fastest-growing religion, and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief."

I am sure there are many moderate Mormons, but the majority are very extreme and they live amoungst us believing that they are the only ones God will let into heaven, the rest of us are going to Hell. 

BTW, Every time you stay at a Marriot Hotel you are putting money into the Mormon church.

Thou Sayest.

Dude anyone can talk directly to god, mormon or not. It is called prayer. ANd i will say it again polygamists are not mormons, they were excommunicated over a hundred years ago. I dont know what you mean by extremist mormon, may there are some in Utah. But if you mean extremists meaning that we dont drink, smoke, etc. yeah then most mormons are extremists. But they are the same as you they just have different morals.

As for the murder thing every religion have had crazy people, muslims jihadists, the crusades, etc.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #155 on: July 13, 2007, 10:09:23 AM »
I wonder how Ms Dugdale feels about the evil effect candy is having on todays youth?

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #156 on: July 13, 2007, 10:10:37 AM »
I wonder how Ms Dugdale feels about the evil effect candy is having on todays youth?

LOL. . . . candy is the spawn of satan

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #157 on: July 13, 2007, 10:16:41 AM »
What about posing for musclegallery & the lifestyle video?

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #158 on: July 13, 2007, 10:19:21 AM »
What about posing for musclegallery & the lifestyle video?

Thats fine ( insert hypocritcal explination)

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #159 on: July 13, 2007, 10:20:17 AM »
LOL. . . . candy is the spawn of satan

True, I suspect pixie sticks to be the leading cause of teen pregnancy. Makes the kids go crazy and have urges!

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #160 on: July 13, 2007, 11:41:09 AM »
Dude anyone can talk directly to god, mormon or not. It is called prayer. ANd i will say it again polygamists are not mormons, they were excommunicated over a hundred years ago. I dont know what you mean by extremist mormon, may there are some in Utah. But if you mean extremists meaning that we dont drink, smoke, etc. yeah then most mormons are extremists. But they are the same as you they just have different morals.

As for the murder thing every religion have had crazy people, muslims jihadists, the crusades, etc.

Let me clarify, Mormons believed and many still do that they are so special that GOD will speak to them directly and give them mandates and instructions on how he wants us to live. This has never happened.  The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.

By extremist I mean peopel that believe they are chosen by God above all else and that their beliefs reign supreme and that they refuse to have any kind of dialouge with any person, group that does not believe as thye do. Thye are hell bent on converting or disempowering non-believers.They will use their power to help only their own kind and demonize and even hurt anyone that doesn't accept their dogma or blind faith.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #161 on: July 13, 2007, 01:09:46 PM »
Let me clarify, Mormons believed and many still do that they are so special that GOD will speak to them directly and give them mandates and instructions on how he wants us to live. This has never happened.  The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.

By extremist I mean peopel that believe they are chosen by God above all else and that their beliefs reign supreme and that they refuse to have any kind of dialouge with any person, group that does not believe as thye do. Thye are hell bent on converting or disempowering non-believers.They will use their power to help only their own kind and demonize and even hurt anyone that doesn't accept their dogma or blind faith.


This first part of your statement i will agree with. But it is more complicated than that, but that could be a very,very simple way of putting it. However anyone and i mean anyone can receive revalation from god. The part i dont agree with ( This has never happened.  The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.) What to think the prophets and apostles from the bible were. And that is exactly what we have a prophet and 12 apostles. And even then we still dont believe that we know god better than anyone else. We just have a more specific communication with god.

AS for the second part of your statement, i have meet very few mormons like that but i wont deny that they exist. But living like this contary to what we believe, because we believe you should treat everyone the way you would want to be treated, mormon or not. So that statement is absolutely false to what mormons believe, but people like that do exist. I persnoally have been to a jewish bar mitzvah, a protestant chruch and catholic mass.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #162 on: July 13, 2007, 01:31:51 PM »
If i was a Catholic i could commit hundreds of sins and then repent to a Preist if i truly believed my sins were ungodly and get a free pass into Heaven.Cool
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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #163 on: July 13, 2007, 04:02:57 PM »
If i was a Catholic i could commit hundreds of sins and then repent to a Preist if i truly believed my sins were ungodly and get a free pass into Heaven.Cool
not only that ...be forgiven to sin again, again and still go to heaven.

if the universe is 15 billion years old and the bible is 2,000 years old...somethings fishy.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #164 on: July 13, 2007, 06:12:52 PM »
I will admit that i take 500mg/week. For me personally my bishop knows that i take more than i recommended dosage and knows that i take that much to further my bodybuilding goals. And he said as longas i am not abusing them. Abuse is taking steroids in warmful dosages, which i am not.

I try not to criticize others for breaking rules, because i am not perfect, and i am a sinner so who am i to to judge another. I dont know how dugdales wife thinks so i will not try to defend what she has said.

I can guarantee your doctor dose not prescribes 500mg/week.

If a doctor prescribes say 200mg/week then that is you dose, anything more is abuse no matter how you look at it and no biship or praying can change that.

There is not differing levels of abusing drugs, you either take the recommended dose or your abusing it....SIMPLE!

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2007, 06:41:02 PM »
Let me clarify, Mormons believed and many still do that they are so special that GOD will speak to them directly and give them mandates and instructions on how he wants us to live. This has never happened.  The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.

By extremist I mean peopel that believe they are chosen by God above all else and that their beliefs reign supreme and that they refuse to have any kind of dialouge with any person, group that does not believe as thye do. Thye are hell bent on converting or disempowering non-believers.They will use their power to help only their own kind and demonize and even hurt anyone that doesn't accept their dogma or blind faith.

so being a devout mormon will marie osmond be penalized for numerous face lifts.....

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #166 on: July 13, 2007, 06:41:55 PM »
mark dugdale is an analcommando

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2007, 06:45:32 PM »
mark dugdale is an analcommando
hahaha, are you suggesting that Mark did more than "pose" for MuscleGallery, slaveboy?

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2007, 06:49:14 PM »
hahaha, are you suggesting that Mark did more than "pose" for MuscleGallery, slaveboy?

fuck i been working 24/7 lately, so im not up to date what is going on in the bodybuilding world. but still, i would say that the analcommando probably used his muclegallery pics for some escort website and that his wife found crusted semen in his rectum, even a month after he "posed" for musclegallery

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2007, 06:53:31 PM »
amen. burp.

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #170 on: July 14, 2007, 12:47:43 AM »
wait just a minute...he posed for musclegallery?  I take back taking back what I said.  He is practicing evil sorcery and is in league with the gay devil!

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #171 on: July 14, 2007, 04:06:46 AM »
wait just a minute...he posed for musclegallery?  I take back taking back what I said.  He is practicing evil sorcery and is in league with the gay devil!
ok  so there's good and evil sorcery...good and evil...christians stole those concepts(good vs. evil) from the ancient persian religions.

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Re: Mark Dugdale
« Reply #172 on: July 14, 2007, 04:12:09 AM »
  if vanity is a sin.. then no one can tan, style their hair, get a manicure, get braces for their teeth, ect ect.. the list will go on and on.. if it was not steroids that mark "sinned" with he would sin by some other means of "vanity".. by the way.. what a useless topic.. ::)

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #173 on: July 14, 2007, 04:25:27 AM »
who said vanity is a sin?

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Re: Mark Dugdale: Christian response re getting big
« Reply #174 on: July 14, 2007, 07:10:10 AM »