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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 08:36:10 PM »
Monster screaming!!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 08:37:59 PM »
hahahaha, Mentzer sounds drunk in that video.

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 08:44:40 PM »
hahahaha, Mentzer sounds drunk in that video.

Sounds like a drunk with his nose plugged

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 08:49:19 PM »
apparently he died the day after the video was shot  :-X

Now that's hardcore!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2007, 09:29:48 PM »
mike: 'we got a little too excited, we overestimated, but we can correct it for the next workout'

trainee: "I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!"

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2007, 09:35:26 PM »
that was gay as hell.


what did Mike die from anyway?  and how old was he?
you are gay.

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2007, 09:36:22 PM »
that was gay as hell.


what did Mike die from anyway?  and how old was he?

he overdosed on milos's 'SNAKE OIL' workout drinks
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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2007, 09:36:30 PM »
Great bodybuilder.......bad training concept for bodybuilding!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2007, 09:37:38 PM »
Great bodybuilder.......bad training concept for bodybuilding!

how so?

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2007, 09:39:19 PM »
how so?

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Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2007, 09:40:24 PM »
Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!

thats like saying 'snake oil' by milos is value for money
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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007, 09:40:47 PM »
Am I supposed to be impressed?

The dink quit on the half-rep leg presses before he was destroyed -- you can tell cuz it took him, literally, 2 seconds to recover.  Put head down, cry for drama to make sure your coaches think you worked hard, sit up and start talking like normal... ::)

Had he been serious, he'd be out for at least a minute.

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007, 09:42:19 PM »
Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!
You and I don't always agree, but on this -- yes. If that's what HIT is...it's lame. Lame for strongman training too. Maybe good for plifting (dunno, never did it).

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2007, 09:45:20 PM »
what did mentzer dire from?  what age?


was it a heart attack at a young age?
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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2007, 09:45:46 PM »
You and I don't always agree, but on this -- yes. If that's what HIT is...it's lame. Lame for strongman training too. Maybe good for plifting (dunno, never did it).

Only for PF.....period!!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2007, 09:46:56 PM »
thats like saying 'snake oil' by milos is value for money

I believe more in Milo's "snake oil" as you call it than HIT!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2007, 09:47:04 PM »
Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!

how so? explain please

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2007, 12:38:08 AM »
mentzer was never anything but a loser and a quitter.

he and his loser brother both went of like punks via suicide....like  I said always a quitter

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2007, 01:00:37 AM »
You and I don't always agree, but on this -- yes. If that's what HIT is...it's lame. Lame for strongman training too. Maybe good for plifting (dunno, never did it).

i disagree, i think heavy weight to failure is the fasted way to grow, instead of pumping out mega-sets with 5lb dumbells or doing hack-squats on your toes with the knees pointing out(ACL, anyone?) for which you pay hundreds of dollars an hour....

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2007, 02:15:32 AM »
Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!

it doesnt work for dumb asses who think that that video ''IS" HIT in a nutshell...wrong.

that video is the act of training intensely, yes, but thats the muscle stimulation part of an holistic principle.

Mike would go nuts if he had to explain himself thousands of times to the mentally challenged members of this board...no wonder he has so many critics- critics dont need to understand anything or be half intelligent, they just have to write a bit...reading and comprehension are optional.

if theres a more muscle stimulating form of exercise then please tell me what it is because if hitting a muscle group this hard in this short a time isnt it, then what is?

ill say it again, muscle comes from adaptation to imposed demand. its a fundamental and physiological response of the human body. Sure hypertrophy is a result of the combined learnt response of heavier stresses, but HIT goes beyond that and invokes the fight or flight response in that it engages the neurological centres like nothing else and when done with the hypertrophy it works on otehr forms of stimulation that cant be engaged through heavy weight (because the body can no longer lift the weight after a certain point in time).

The result is to cram as much work into a short duration of time as one can.

we all know that power = work done divided by time, and power is force x distance, which means if distance is exercise dependent, then power is directly proportional to force- i.e. strength. We know that muscle size comes from ''work'', i.e. a mix of power and time.

the best mix of this is a technique that allows the most work done in the least amount of time. Since our energy reserves reduce with time as we train, then the maximum amount of work possible occurs on the first rep of the first set of a workout. From there it is downhill.

Mike's idealogy is that this is achieved through maximisation of intense, heavy work whilst energy stores are high. Then work through until they are zero. This maximises the hypertrophic response and neurological response through intensity and workload. This CANNOT be wrong as its the natural extension of everything we know. All other training is a lazier form of this.

The problem has been that although mike made it clear to everyone, people either dont train hard enough, or dont rest enough- so they call BS because they dont have the guts to make it happen. I call them pathetic..dont bag a technique until you either understand it or can actually perform it properly.

Therer is another school of thought that has some merit though, and its somewhat related to HIT. That is that an extreme amount of actual ''work'' can be done throgh the use of many sets and reps at middle to light weights. This is why ''traditional training'' seems to lad somewhere inbetween HIT and ''WORK". Its not because traditional training works best, its because traditional training works best for the most people who cant apply HIT due to lack of guts or refuse to lift middle to light weights for set after set or rep after rep for a similar ego-centric reason.

The one issue that works against the high rep technique is that this approach risks rapid learning of exercises, so it requires careful cycling of rep schemes and patterns that encourage subtle mind challenges to keep the brain from mastering a pattern...for those who dont know the difference between mastering and learning...learning is when you start to get some decent results in terms of strength or amount lifted and occurs after about 4-6 weeks of training..mastering is when it suddently becomes harder to improve...your brain has learnt the skill so is working on actually finding out how to do the task with less involvement...this is the time to either learn another exercise or subtly change the challenge.

So Coach- dude you should change your name as it implies that you know what you are doing...


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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2007, 02:41:01 AM »
disco_stu,

well said.

i don't even bother trying to teach those who are not ready or capable of understanding the laws of reality.
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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2007, 08:47:39 AM »



So Coach- dude you should change your name as it implies that you know what you are doing...



LMAO.....ok, gee, so I must have been doing it all wrong for the last 30 years, glad I had someone like you to clear that up ::)


P.S. HIT is a crock of shit and since I'm not going to write a 10 paragraph post on why, I'll let you. Start with studying the three energy systems!

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2007, 09:37:59 AM »
it doesnt work for dumb asses who think that that video ''IS" HIT in a nutshell...wrong.

that video is the act of training intensely, yes, but thats the muscle stimulation part of an holistic principle.

Mike would go nuts if he had to explain himself thousands of times to the mentally challenged members of this board...no wonder he has so many critics- critics dont need to understand anything or be half intelligent, they just have to write a bit...reading and comprehension are optional.

if theres a more muscle stimulating form of exercise then please tell me what it is because if hitting a muscle group this hard in this short a time isnt it, then what is?

ill say it again, muscle comes from adaptation to imposed demand. its a fundamental and physiological response of the human body. Sure hypertrophy is a result of the combined learnt response of heavier stresses, but HIT goes beyond that and invokes the fight or flight response in that it engages the neurological centres like nothing else and when done with the hypertrophy it works on otehr forms of stimulation that cant be engaged through heavy weight (because the body can no longer lift the weight after a certain point in time).

The result is to cram as much work into a short duration of time as one can.

we all know that power = work done divided by time, and power is force x distance, which means if distance is exercise dependent, then power is directly proportional to force- i.e. strength. We know that muscle size comes from ''work'', i.e. a mix of power and time.

the best mix of this is a technique that allows the most work done in the least amount of time. Since our energy reserves reduce with time as we train, then the maximum amount of work possible occurs on the first rep of the first set of a workout. From there it is downhill.

Mike's idealogy is that this is achieved through maximisation of intense, heavy work whilst energy stores are high. Then work through until they are zero. This maximises the hypertrophic response and neurological response through intensity and workload. This CANNOT be wrong as its the natural extension of everything we know. All other training is a lazier form of this.

The problem has been that although mike made it clear to everyone, people either dont train hard enough, or dont rest enough- so they call BS because they dont have the guts to make it happen. I call them pathetic..dont bag a technique until you either understand it or can actually perform it properly.

Therer is another school of thought that has some merit though, and its somewhat related to HIT. That is that an extreme amount of actual ''work'' can be done throgh the use of many sets and reps at middle to light weights. This is why ''traditional training'' seems to lad somewhere inbetween HIT and ''WORK". Its not because traditional training works best, its because traditional training works best for the most people who cant apply HIT due to lack of guts or refuse to lift middle to light weights for set after set or rep after rep for a similar ego-centric reason.

The one issue that works against the high rep technique is that this approach risks rapid learning of exercises, so it requires careful cycling of rep schemes and patterns that encourage subtle mind challenges to keep the brain from mastering a pattern...for those who dont know the difference between mastering and learning...learning is when you start to get some decent results in terms of strength or amount lifted and occurs after about 4-6 weeks of training..mastering is when it suddently becomes harder to improve...your brain has learnt the skill so is working on actually finding out how to do the task with less involvement...this is the time to either learn another exercise or subtly change the challenge.

So Coach- dude you should change your name as it implies that you know what you are doing...



translation: I've been using HIT for 10 years, my CNS is completely blown out and i'm having male PMS because I wont admit to myself that I've pretty much wasted years of training for nothing.

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Re: Now THIS is HIT training...
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2007, 10:16:05 AM »
I workout harder when walking up the steps to my door with grocery bags.  ::)