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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2007, 01:07:41 PM »
they can't attribute one single death to be caused by steroids

That is true.


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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2007, 01:10:29 PM »
Isn't steriods illegal?

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2007, 01:13:14 PM »
Isn't steriods illegal?

don't know. what are steriods?

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2007, 01:15:27 PM »
Isn't steriods illegal?

Good point! Let me rephrase my subject line..."Should steroids be illegal ONLY BECAUSE someone could die from them?" If that's the case then many other substances and sports should be illegal because many people HAVE certainly died doing them and yet there is no proof of a single steroid related death.

In other words, if it can be proven that they are not as harmful as the current public perception thinks they are, should they be made legal again?

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2007, 01:24:34 PM »
i think palumbo said the toxicity of one anadrol (possibly the most harsh steroid) is equal to one martini. so why the bad rap??  because polititians and businessmen don't go to lunch and have 5 or 6 anadrol each day.

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2007, 01:25:11 PM »
That is true.



god damn it's funny watching an alcoholic and coke addict who sends lower class young americans to a country on the other side of the world to kill and die PURELY so that he and his business partners can profit, call steroids 'dangerous'. ;D

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2007, 01:29:00 PM »
i think palumbo said the toxicity of one anadrol (possibly the most harsh steroid) is equal to one martini. so why the bad rap??  because polititians and businessmen don't go to lunch and have 5 or 6 anadrol each day.

if palumbo's selling said steroid then the toxicity of the product is probably much less than either the martini or the anadrol. ;)

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2007, 01:42:23 PM »
Should mountainclimbing be made illegal?

http://www.climbing.com/news/hotflashes/toddskinner/



Should auto racing be illegal?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/graphics/blearnhardt.htm



This one's a no brainer! Do we need a law to prevent this from happening again?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2169415



College football outlawed?

http://chronicle.com/news/article/824/college-football-player-dies-on-training-camps-first-day



Cease horse jumping?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/11/obit.reeve/index.html



Another driver dead. They better slow down!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/26/sportsline/main1439592.shtml



No more marathons!!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE7D81231F930A35752C1A960948260



Just stay way from mountains altogether!!

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/3/3_6/runner-dies-during-1st-ha.shtml



And stay out of the water!

http://www.surfermag.com/features/pipedeath/



Take those skateboards away from the kids! Lock 'em up!

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1636088,00.html


Discuss...





Spot on dude, those fucking anti-doping hypocrits need to shut up.

Key to legalise steroids is by having the media in your back pocket. However the negative doping story's are a big cashbringer for the media. Imagine how many people can improve their lifestyle when using these products.

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2007, 04:35:55 PM »
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go take anadrol everyday for 8 weeks@50mg a day, then have 1 martini everyday for 8 weeks, after each experiment go get your liver checked and tell me what you find.
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Have you tried that or do you know anyone that has?

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2007, 04:48:06 PM »
People these days do not embrace fact for some reason.  No matter how much proof you give them, they will always trust CNN.   

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2007, 01:06:07 AM »
nono
anadrol is not as toxic as martini lets not get carried away,,,it is more toxic than martini to the system :D but you got to understand that you can right now go and take 5 tablets of anadrol 50 and nothing will happen to you,,you can take those 5 tablets every day for 2 months and still nothing will happen to you UNLESS SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH YOUR HEALTH TO BEGIN WITH AND YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF IT OR DIDNT CARE FOR IT!

peopel with heart problems shoudl not do hormones,,people with 1 kidny should not do hormones,,people who walk around regularly when off hormones with blood pressure of 190 on 120 should not do no hormones,,heavily diabetic or obese people should not do hormones unsupervised!! etc etc

for the typical human being that is a bodybuilder (since i consider only bodybuilders should use hormones and not every day joe that been in gym for 2 months) the side effects of taking 2-3 tablets of anadrol a day,,wait lets make it more interesting,,  lets take the 2 most toxic orals ever anadrol and halotestin,,,cheq drops is not needed in bodybuilding to all the smart ass that will let me know soon that there is cheq drop ;)

for the the average healthy bodybuilder that doesnt abuse alchohol and narcotics,,taking 2-3 tablets of anapolon 50 with 2-3 tablets of 10mg each halotestin per day will result in the following side effects:

an hour to hour and a half after taking the dose : feeling warm from the inside and a swole/pump feel,,eyes may be getting teary a little,,mood will change a little with time to a more depressive one but NOT VIOLENT UNLESS YOU BEEN VIOLENT BEFORE AND A CRAZY LOONAATEEK TO BEGIN WITH,,maybe slightly sweaty too from the warm feeling of pump,,its kinda high feeling but 'muscle high' not 'brain high' and thats why there is no risk in it to sane individuals that can navigate the agression to the gym dumbells and cables and not to their girlfriend or wife

those are basically the sides out of the use of the 2 most toxic orals in a combo for a while,,liver enzymes might change slightly but in somethey wont even change so any intake of liver care is useless and will diminish some of the effects of the oral taken


now,,if you take 10 tablets anapolon and 10 tablets halotestin together every day  for a good `100 days,,,then your liver values will be crazy and your health will start going down the drain but still! no death will happen unless you had something wrong to begin with or you were careless and used other narcotic drugs and painkillers,,drank alchohol and party every day and ate shit none stop,,then death is also an option

and that bring me to what i said at the beggining,,

hormones are meant to be taken by bodybuilders and not by every joe that got a membership to gym,,how do you get to be a bodybuilder? you train naturally couple years,,you build a foundation,,you do it naturally and then when time comes you will know you are ready,,only then you load on hormones to achieve more progress

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2007, 01:16:07 AM »
Stay away from orals. Winstroll can be injected, and there are better products to replace anadrol/oxy etc.
I took Orals high dosages of Anadrol Dianabol,Stanazol for 12 months and i was pissing blood thankfully i spent some time in Hospital and fortunatly i had no tumors in my Liver i am back to full health if your stupid with dosages then can be only 2 outcomes life or death and yes i was a jackass.
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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2007, 01:22:09 AM »
The 2 most commonly used drugs are alcohol and tobacco, which is why they are legal.  Any minority user...coke, roids, heroin...etc are illegal because it's not in the majorities interest.  This is why many are trying to legalize weed and not gear.
When they tried to make alcohol illegal, it didn't work because at least half the population still wanted to drink.  Until half of society is juicing, it will always be illegal.
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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2007, 01:27:27 AM »
I took Orals high dosages of Anadrol Dianabol,Stanazol for 12 months and i was pissing blood thankfully i spent some time in Hospital and fortunatly i had no tumors in my Liver i am back to full health if your stupid with dosages then can be only 2 outcomes life or death and yes i was a jackass.

300+ days none stop of any oral at high doses will result in health problems

heaviest  users im aware of among the pros and powerlifting limit oral intake to 100 days then off for a while,,but in those 100 days the combinations are anything and everything but then again no where near 300 days

anything over 4-5 months is guranteed problems and usually none effective for an oral even if higher doses used

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2007, 01:40:40 AM »
300+ days none stop of any oral at high doses will result in health problems

heaviest  users im aware of among the pros and powerlifting limit oral intake to 100 days then off for a while,,but in those 100 days the combinations are anything and everything but then again no where near 300 days

anything over 4-5 months is guranteed problems and usually none effective for an oral even if higher doses used


Yeah i was a Jackass i got this parcel from mexico about three years ago and swapped it with some hydro i got amazing results i felt fine with the odd pain in my abdomen but thought nothing of it i was gaining like crazy and did not want to stop.
The funny thing is Australian Customs are the best in the world they can sniff out a Anadrol tablet out of a dogs arse how he brought the drugs in bewildereds me.
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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2007, 01:52:56 AM »
My dad thinks that drugs like cocaine and ecstasy should be illegal because they result in sudden death rather than death over many years after gradual damage (alcohol and tobacco).  The fallacy in my dad's argument is the assumption that drug prohibition works to begin with.  That said, even holding his assumption to be true, I still disagree.
My Dad beleives tobacco should be illegal but tobacco is Highly taxed compared to the US at a very high rate in Australia its over 10 dollars a pack if those Taxes were directly funded into Hospitals we would have the best Medical system in the world.Though my dad believes in Heroin being a prescription Drug it would stop the crime rate dramatically with some addict ripping of your belongings with Break and enters.
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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2007, 04:05:56 AM »
This post is spot on. Fucking right! Excellent post and great examples too!

why thank you sir!  ;D

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2007, 04:40:07 AM »
There's nothing wrong with gays getting married u skinny homo (phobe)

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2007, 05:24:25 AM »
My dad thinks that drugs like cocaine and ecstasy should be illegal because they result in sudden death rather than death over many years after gradual damage (alcohol and tobacco).  The fallacy in my dad's argument is the assumption that drug prohibition works to begin with.  That said, even holding his assumption to be true, I still disagree.

You are right, drug and alcohol prohibition doesn't work because humans have been getting high since the first caveman chewed on some funny tasting leaf and liked the way it felt. It's an innate human characteristic to want to alter conciousness. You can't legislate that away and all it does is create a powerful underworld. We have see this time and time again and yet never seem to learn from it.

And the "sudden death" argument doesn't work for me either. A knife can cause sudden death in the wrong hands. Should we outlaw cutlery?? There are many things in this world that, when abused, can hurt us. That doesn't mean they should be illegal.

Here's my ultimate point, Matt. I don't want the government butting into my life "for my own good", like some sort of overprotective mother. It's not the government's business. I want the freedom to chose, knowing that with freedom comes personal responsibility. I can choose to avoid any or all of those things that are "bad for me", or I can use them in moderation, but the point is I get to choose.

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2007, 05:29:10 AM »
You are right, drug and alcohol prohibition doesn't work because humans have been getting high since the first caveman chewed on some funny tasting leaf and liked the way it felt. It's an innate human characteristic to want to alter conciousness. You can't legislate that away and all it does is create a powerful underworld. We have see this time and time again and yet never seem to learn from it.

And the "sudden death" argument doesn't work for me either. A knife can cause sudden death in the wrong hands. Should we outlaw cutlery?? There are many things in this world that, when abused, can hurt us. That doesn't mean they should be illegal.

Here's my ultimate point, Matt. I don't want the government butting into my life "for my own good", like some sort of overprotective mother. It's not the government's business. I want the freedom to chose, knowing that with freedom comes personal responsibility. I can choose to avoid any or all of those things that are "bad for me", or I can use them in moderation, but the point is I get to choose.
The government will always butt into your life "for your own good".  Look at the seatbelt law.  Why should it be a law that I have to wear a seatbelt?  Because it saves lives?  There are many people that have died because they were strapped into a car and couldn't get out.  Why should anyone tell me that I have to wear a seatbelt.  I can understand children having to (as I believe that is in their own safety, but an adult should be able to decide for their own if they want to belt or not belt.
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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2007, 05:31:32 AM »

hormones are meant to be taken by bodybuilders and not by every joe that got a membership to gym

What do you think about a 50 or 60 or even 70 year old man whose testosterone is naturally diminishing, taking extremely mild doses of hormones to replace that which age is taking away in order to look and feel younger and healthier for longer that he would otherwise? (Combinedt with a healthful diet and regular exercise, of course.)

Currently he would be considered a criminal and thrown in jail with muderers, rapists and theives. Should that be?

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2007, 05:32:44 AM »
The government will always butt into your life "for your own good".  Look at the seatbelt law.  Why should it be a law that I have to wear a seatbelt?  Because it saves lives?  There are many people that have died because they were strapped into a car and couldn't get out.  Why should anyone tell me that I have to wear a seatbelt.  I can understand children having to (as I believe that is in their own safety, but an adult should be able to decide for their own if they want to belt or not belt.

Agreed. I always wear a seatbelt no matter what, yet I do not think there should be a law requiring me to do so.

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« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2007, 06:01:54 AM »
There's nothing wrong with gays getting married u skinny homo (phobe)

 ::)

maybe not in your eyes.
30 years ago people would have gotten shot and killed for that.
now, today, because there's so many of them, why does it become socially acceptable?

people fuck sheep (mainly some lonely farmers)...so does this mean that in 40-50 years, those numbers multiply, would it then be socially acceptable to marry/screw sheep just because so many people on the planet are now fucking them?
all of a sudden people feel it's "ok" to marry.
i don't care what you do behind closed doors, but Marriage has been a certain way, for many many years, now because you crave cock over pussy, you have to ruin a long-running tradition/sacarament held by other people worldwide?
its not fair to those who are religiously devout and take things like that to heart.

Face it. without debating religion...
law of nature: man & woman. (made anatomically to "fit" together)
not man and man.

gay marriage....gayer than...gay marriage  :P

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2007, 07:19:31 AM »
::)

maybe not in your eyes.
30 years ago people would have gotten shot and killed for that.
now, today, because there's so many of them, why does it become socially acceptable?

people fuck sheep (mainly some lonely farmers)...so does this mean that in 40-50 years, those numbers multiply, would it then be socially acceptable to marry/screw sheep just because so many people on the planet are now fucking them?
all of a sudden people feel it's "ok" to marry.
i don't care what you do behind closed doors, but Marriage has been a certain way, for many many years, now because you crave cock over pussy, you have to ruin a long-running tradition/sacarament held by other people worldwide?
its not fair to those who are religiously devout and take things like that to heart.

Face it. without debating religion...
law of nature: man & woman. (made anatomically to "fit" together)
not man and man.

gay marriage....gayer than...gay marriage  :P


How does this have anything to do with what we are talking about?

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Re: Should steroids be illegal if someone dies from using them?
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2007, 07:22:05 AM »
::)

maybe not in your eyes.
30 years ago people would have gotten shot and killed for that.
now, today, because there's so many of them, why does it become socially acceptable?

people fuck sheep (mainly some lonely farmers)...so does this mean that in 40-50 years, those numbers multiply, would it then be socially acceptable to marry/screw sheep just because so many people on the planet are now fucking them?
all of a sudden people feel it's "ok" to marry.
i don't care what you do behind closed doors, but Marriage has been a certain way, for many many years, now because you crave cock over pussy, you have to ruin a long-running tradition/sacarament held by other people worldwide?
its not fair to those who are religiously devout and take things like that to heart.

Face it. without debating religion...
law of nature: man & woman. (made anatomically to "fit" together)
not man and man.

gay marriage....gayer than...gay marriage  :P

I'm glad u are just a nobody living somewhere in Canada. Your train of thought is scary. U live in a democratic country yet u are discriminating against gays. Listen: do me a favor and do not start with what's right or wrong according to church because if u knew 1/10000 of what religion is all about (and has been) you would hurry up and shoot your minister. You are young and have been fed plenty of BS...but you'll grow up and notice that this world we live in is not what it seems...not by a lightyear.  :-\