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Is MMA killing boxing?
« on: September 05, 2007, 10:05:23 AM »
I enjoy watching both but UFC is more exciting these days, too much corruption and BS in boxing.
Will boxing be dead within a few years?

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 10:29:04 AM »
no

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 11:10:17 AM »
Don King destroyed boxing. Boxing has been dead for years.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 11:53:11 AM »
Don King destroyed boxing. Boxing has been dead for years.

huh ?

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 12:20:44 PM »
huh ?

Yes sir......Don King destroyed boxing.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 12:47:21 PM »
Yes sir......Don King destroyed boxing.

thanks for the update......


king may be an underhanded thief as far money goes but explain to me how he destroyed the sport because last I heard PPV #'s are doing ok.....

just because you're not a boxing fan does'nt mean the sport no longer exists

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 01:52:03 PM »
thanks for the update......


king may be an underhanded thief as far money goes but explain to me how he destroyed the sport because last I heard PPV #'s are doing ok.....

just because you're not a boxing fan does'nt mean the sport no longer exists

UFC ppv is killing Boxing ppv.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 01:55:17 PM »
UFC ppv is killing Boxing ppv.

guess again

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 02:09:01 PM »
No.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 02:32:16 PM »
UFC ppv is killing Boxing ppv.

That would be true if Delahoya/Gayweather hadn't fought this year.
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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2007, 03:23:09 PM »
That would be true if Delahoya/Gayweather hadn't fought this year.

Next year MMA ppv will do better than Boxing ppv. :)

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2007, 04:02:58 PM »
Next year MMA ppv will do better than Boxing ppv. :)

what difference is that gonna make even if it happened ? the same boxing fans the were following and buying PPV's are still gonna follow and buy PPV's regardless how big of a following MMA events get.....

if you're under the impression that you can't be both a boxing and MMA (which it sounds like) you're wrong

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2007, 04:13:58 PM »
what difference is that gonna make even if it happened ? the same boxing fans the were following and buying PPV's are still gonna follow and buy PPV's regardless how big of a following MMA events get.....

if you're under the impression that you can't be both a boxing and MMA (which it sounds like) you're wrong

The UFC did very well this year. Next year, they will do even better. The reason you asked? Well, they have signed allot of good fighters from Pride. They also have the money to promote their business, and Dana is a great promoter.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2007, 04:40:48 PM »
Boxing is HUGE globaly, mma will not be killing off the sport anytime soon.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2007, 12:01:22 PM »

There is no question that MMA is taking off, but time will tell the tale.

When it comes to the numbers game there are DOZENS of pay-per-view MMA fights on each year. A great year for Boxing pay-per-views are 3-4. When you look at the averages per event they are VERY close.

It's not apples to apples but look at Rugby for an example. Rugby is the second most popular sport in the world. Soccer is first, Rugby second and Cricket is third. Except for some club work Rugby and Cricket is non-existent in the United States. Soccer is barely holding on. Boxing is still HUGE around the world.

I think MMA matches are great. But to sustain they need much better announcers ( DUMP JOE ROGAN!), support from Vegas ( gambling ), and they really need to tone down the "thug" feeling. I know that's it's popular but they need to follow the NBA march. The money is with the older white man and for the UFC to really take off they need to please the money.
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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2007, 01:59:12 PM »
personally i dont follow boxing, mainly because it doesnt show where i live and it isnt that big in europe... but theres no reason it cant co-exist with mma... its mostly mma comparing themselves with boxing as far as ratings go etc since boxing is so established and accepted allready they need to do that to get away from the old bloodsport image in order to look respectable...
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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2007, 02:20:51 AM »
boxing was so popular because for us males it was teh closest thing on tv to real fighting, now we have it real, in a cage and sugar coated boxing will become as popular as taekwondo and karate is over the next decade. single technique sports vs mixed martial arts

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2007, 05:54:41 AM »
I'm not trying to derail this thread, but look what MMA has done to the WWE.


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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2007, 07:26:00 AM »
I'm not trying to derail this thread, but look what MMA has done to the WWE.



you just derailed what little credibility you might have had with that little pearl of wisdom

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2007, 09:09:01 AM »
you just derailed what little credibility you might have had with that little pearl of wisdom

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2007, 09:17:57 AM »
you just derailed what little credibility you might have had with that little pearl of wisdom

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Here you go chief.

This was last year.


- UFC 61 SURPASSES $30 MILLION IN PPV SALES
Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - by Ivan Trembow - MMAWeekly.com

Last week, MMAWeekly took a look at the fighter salaries for UFC 62, which took place on August 26th in Las Vegas. While pay-per-view buyrate information is not yet available for UFC 62 due to the fact that it takes weeks or months for such numbers to be finalized, we do have the initial estimates on UFC 61's PPV buyrate and the final numbers on UFC 60's PPV buyrate.

The news is excellent for the UFC, as just seven weeks after one of its PPV events generated more than $20 million for the first time in the history of the UFC, the company's next PPV generated over $30 million in gross sales, blowing away all previous records.

The initial buyrate estimate for UFC 61 within the pay-per-view industry, as published by the Wrestling Observer, is that the show drew a whopping 775,000 PPV buys. The Observer has been one of the most credible publications for many years when it comes to PPV buyrates, and 775,000 PPV buys at $39.95 per buy equals $30.96 million in gross PPV revenue. The UFC's share of the gross revenue for this and all other PPV events is approximately 50 percent, and all of the PPV figures in this article only take into account domestic PPV buys, which is where the majority of the UFC's PPV buys originate.

The initial buyrate estimates within the PPV industry are always lower than the final numbers, due to the fact that the final numbers take into account "late buys." Late buys is a term that refers to encore PPV buys of an event's replays throughout the month that it debuted, as well as PPV buys from smaller cable systems throughout the United States, and these late buys typically take several months to be fully reported in the inefficient cable industry.

The PPV industry's initial buyrate estimates, as first published by the Wrestling Observer, combined with MMAWeekly's own sources in the PPV industry, who are more familiar with the updated numbers that have "late buys" taken into account, are the basis of this article and MMAWeekly's previous article on the UFC's PPV buyrate explosion of 2006.

The main event of UFC 61 was technically Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski for the UFC Heavyweight Title, but the vast majority of the hype for the event was dedicated to the rematch between Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock, which was hyped on national television for several consecutive months during the airing The Ultimate Fighter 3 on Spike TV.

The mark of 775,000 PPV buys for UFC 61 shatters the previous all-time UFC record that had been set by UFC 60, which had broken the record set by UFC 59, which had broken the record set by UFC 57. In total, four of the UFC's first five PPVs of 2006 broke the company's all-time PPV records, as detailed in our previous article on this subject.

The initial buyrate estimate for UFC 60 within the pay-per-view industry, as published by the Wrestling Observer and MMAWeekly at the time, was 600,000 buys. MMAWeekly has subsequently learned that the final buyrate for UFC 60 will be in the range of 615,000 to 625,000 buys, which is actually not that much of an increase over the initial buyrate estimate. In total, the gross PPV revenue for UFC 60 was between $24.57 million and $24.97 million. The event, headlined by Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie, was the first UFC event to break the $20 million mark in gross PPV sales.

The first three UFC PPVs of 2006 were also extremely successful. As previously detailed, UFC 57 in February broke all of the UFC's records at the time by drawing 400,000 to 410,000 PPV buys. With the main event of Chuck Liddell vs. Randy Couture III, the event generated between $15.98 million and $16.38 million in gross PPV sales. Impressive as these numbers were and still are, they have now been dwarfed by the PPV sales for UFC 60 and UFC 61.

UFC 58 in March was headlined by Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau, and though it did not break UFC 57's record, the event still drew 290,000 to 300,000 PPV buys, which far exceeded the PPV industry's pre-event expectations. UFC 58 carried a fee of $34.95 instead of $39.95, and the gross PPV revenue was between $10.14 million and $10.49 million. When the lowest-drawing PPV event of the year still generates over $10 million in gross PPV sales,

UFC 59 in April was technically headlined by Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski, but the vast majority of the hype was dedicated to the semi-main event of Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin. Though it was expected to draw a strong PPV buyrate, UFC 59 surpassed those lofty expectations by breaking the records that had been set by UFC 57. The total number of buys for UFC 59 was in the range of 415,000 to 435,000, which generated gross PPV revenue of $16.58 million to $17.38 million.

Adding up all of the aforementioned figures and not counting the "late buys" for UFC 61, the total number of PPV buys for the first five UFC PPVs of 2006 was between 2,495,000 and 2,545,000. Taking into account the fact that UFC 58 was priced at $34.95 instead of $39.95, this means that the gross PPV revenue generated by the first five UFC PPVs of 2006 was between $96,230,000 and $100,180,000.

As we've mentioned in the past, even though they promote two different products, the single company with which the UFC most directly competes is World Wrestling Entertainment, and the changing fortunes of both companies has led to a shift in the pay-per-view industry at large. In less than one year, the UFC has gone from not being able to even approach WWE's big-event PPV numbers to actually beating WrestleMania in domestic PPV sales on two separate occasions over the course of one summer.

WrestleMania has been the biggest American pro wrestling event of the year since 1985, and this year's WrestleMania drew approximately 560,000 domestic PPV buys, according to WWE's own financial records. That number is less than UFC 60's PPV buyrate and is not even close to UFC 61's.

The Royal Rumble, which is traditionally the second- or third-biggest American pro wrestling event of the year, drew approximately 340,000 domestic PPV buys, which is lower than all-but-one of the UFC's PPV events so far this year.

Outside of its four biggest events of the year (WrestleMania, Royal Rumble, SummerSlam, and Survivor Series), WWE's domestic PPV buyrates have collapsed in the past few years and even more so in 2006, just as the UFC's PPV buyrates have skyrocketed.

The non "Big Four" PPVs that WWE produces on a monthly basis have not been able to surpass the mark of 200,000 domestic buys for any individual event so far in 2006, while a UFC PPV that draws 200,000 domestic buys would now have to be considered a big disappointment given the standard that has been set in recent months.

According to WWE's financial statements, the No Way Out PPV drew approximately 140,000 domestic buys; Backlash drew approximately 130,000 domestic buys; Judgment Day drew approximately 140,000 domestic buys; One Night Stand drew approximately 170,000 domestic buys; Vengeance drew approximately 190,000 PPV buys; and the Great American Bash drew approximately 130,000 PPV buys. Pay-per-view sales information for this year's edition of SummerSlam is not yet available.

What's clear in these figures is that the UFC's many shows on Spike TV, not only The Ultimate Fighter but also the regular airings of older fights on UFC Unleashed and the well-produced PPV preview shows, do a much better job of convincing people to buy PPV events than WWE's five hours of weekly original programming (one hour on Sci Fi Channel, two hours on USA Network, and two hours on UPN, which will soon become The CW Network).

Though WWE still draws significantly higher television ratings than the UFC, more and more people in the United States are willing to plunk down 40 dollars to buy the UFC's pay-per-view events, while an ever-shrinking amount of people are willing to spend the same amount of money to buy WWE's PPV events.


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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2007, 12:33:43 PM »
If the UFC one day looked like PRIDE it would be amazing, but I've read/written plenty on sherdog. There are too many UFC nuthuggers who like the direction UFC is taking MMA. I liked PRIDE's production much better than UFC and PRIDE rules are much better.

UFC is scared of becoming similar to WWE/PRIDE production. Dana White needs some class and needs to quit acting like vince mcmahon, He needs to quit swearing and bashing fighters (barnett)

Call me a PRIDE guy I don't care, I like the fights, I think UFC could have better production. UFC needs to eliminate the TAPOUT mentality.

Boxing the sport will never die.

PRIDE entrance music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkdQxJ50eJI

04 PRIDE GP opening.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2djij_pride-2004-gp-opening-movie_sport

PRIDE fighter intros were good. I'm not saying I like the pyrotechnics or the extreme light show. The ramp/walk to the ring was great. Obvously UFC could develop it's own production without all the lights.


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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2007, 12:39:02 PM »
If the UFC one day looked like PRIDE it would be amazing, but I've read/written plenty on sherdog. There are too many UFC nuthuggers who like the direction UFC is taking MMA. I liked PRIDE's production much better than UFC and PRIDE rules are much better.

UFC is scared of becoming similar to WWE/PRIDE production. Dana White needs some class and needs to quit acting like vince mcmahon, He needs to quit swearing and bashing fighters (barnett)

Call me a PRIDE guy I don't care, I like the fights, I think UFC could have better production. UFC needs to eliminate the TAPOUT mentality.

Boxing the sport will never die.

PRIDE entrance music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkdQxJ50eJI

04 PRIDE GP opening.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2djij_pride-2004-gp-opening-movie_sport

PRIDE fighter intros were good. I'm not saying I like the pyrotechnics or the extreme light show. The ramp/walk to the ring was great. Obvously UFC could develop it's own production without all the lights.

I agree with you 100%.

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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2007, 12:42:01 PM »
Also I would like to see the octagon eliminated but it is the UFC's trademark so I dont' see that going or a ring ever coming in. I would actually like to see a large mat instead.

LOL like the Kumite in Bloodsport. well not exactly something like in WCL. Never watched WCL but I like the mat they have.

wikipedia
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Re: Is MMA killing boxing?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2007, 02:44:13 PM »
That would be true if Delahoya/Gayweather hadn't fought this year.

ODLH is the only name that can sell PPVs.  No other person has the "aura" (sorry for the Rickson reference) to get big numbers.  To top it off, no one seemed willing to engage, so for future PPVs, this may affect the drawing ability of both fighters.