Author Topic: 67yo - too old to cycle? (Read 14429 times)

trab · « **Reply #75 on:** September 20, 2007, 11:57:09 AM »

Quote from: stillpumping on September 20, 2007, 11:08:47 AM

Staying on for good...Someone else told this might be a possibility. What negative/positive consequences might occur?

Basicly the Testes stop workn'. They are gettin the signal they aint needed. So they simply stop workn'.
They tend to get sort of like ya took a dip in ice water.
Is this harmfull? Dont seem to be, or there'd be football stadiums full of casualties.

FreakFest is a surgeon, and I didnt care for that term "necrosis" he used about the testes after not
producing their own test for some time.

I can say the med books, and my personal experience is taht they return to "Normal" after several weeks of no
AAS. But during that time ya dont feel the greatest, and are suceptible to loss of much muscle.

As far as the Cost/ Benefit of staying on in a guys 60s, it may be best to talk w/ a HRT Dr with much
hands on experience in the matter. All I can tell ya is my experiences at 46yrs and about 10 yrs of using AAS very regualarly.

davinci · « **Reply #76 on:** September 20, 2007, 07:49:44 PM »

it means after you come off even with a good pct since your test is already low it might not come back at all. in that case you would have to stay on the juice just at a low does (250 mg a week) just like hrt. this is the consequence we all have to deal with when using aas that it might happen. have a good pct planned out maybe even with some hcg then after your cycle and pct go get blood work done. see if your test levels have returned. if not..... time to make the choice.

also your balls might shrink not your package lol. i know for first time aas users test and nolva is fine but at his age does anyone think he might want to implement the hcg throughout cycle like some more suppresive ones i.e. deccca usage

davinci · « **Reply #77 on:** September 20, 2007, 07:50:43 PM »

another thing still pumpin if i where you i would sepereate your shots into twice a week. 250mg one day and 250 couple days later etc.... helps to keep test levels from spiking then fading

trab · « **Reply #78 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:27:49 AM »

Quote from: davinci on September 20, 2007, 07:50:43 PM

another thing still pumpin if i where you i would sepereate your shots into twice a week. 250mg one day and 250 couple days later etc.... helps to keep test levels from spiking then fading

After your built up to steady state plasma levels, the diff between 1 or 2 pokes ew is negligible, and fact is he's prolly
gona want long term use IMO. He had a 250 TT level, and that's just plain not going to seem like much fun
again after a run at a 30yr old TT levels again.

I can tell you this, it takes about 6 weeks minimum for me to get back to feeling normal and clost to what my previous "Clean" TT blood levels were. Im off now for 1st time in a LONG TIME and will do some blood panels
in about 8 more weeks.

250 is just plain low. Ive had mine that low post cycle and I dont like how I feel. There's NO WAY I'd go years
with that low level, I'd rather die!

THere's a Quality of Life issue here also. And besides that, the facts overwhelmingly DONT point to AAS being the danger that (most of) The American Medical Industry's indentured servants (Drs) try to say it is.

G.R.H. · « **Reply #79 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:52:29 PM »

why on earth would you want to take roids at your age?! r u after some young 18 year old chick, or looking to mess around with some other broad, and can't "get it up" anymore?! if your test levels are low and you lost your sex drive...take some viagara.

trab · « **Reply #80 on:** September 21, 2007, 04:04:40 PM »

Quote from: G.R.H. on September 21, 2007, 03:52:29 PM

why on earth would you want to take roids at your age?! r u after some young 18 year old chick, or looking to mess around with some other broad, and can't "get it up" anymore?! if your test levels are low and you lost your sex drive...take some viagara.

What a ignorant ass-holic statement.

Viagra does nothing for sex-drive and energy or sense of wellbeing.
Hey, he's lived longer than you kid.
Good luck, your gona need it because - Your Not too smart.

BTW Dumbass, AAS were not made w/ the intention of growing 20" arms.
The stuff was made for exactly what he's using it for.

Now run along to your apartment, and see if you can make your rent and car payment this month, Boy.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #81 on:** September 21, 2007, 04:35:29 PM »

Quote from: trab on September 21, 2007, 04:04:40 PM

What a ignorant ass-holic statement.

Viagra does nothing for sex-drive and energy or sense of wellbeing.
Hey, he's lived longer than you kid.
Good luck, your gona need it because - Your Not too smart.

BTW Dumbass, AAS were not made w/ the intention of growing 20" arms.
The stuff was made for exactly what he's using it for.

Now run along to your apartment, and see if you can make your rent and car payment this month, Boy.

Perfecto!

stillpumping · « **Reply #82 on:** September 22, 2007, 10:44:32 AM »

Appreciate the support Trab. By the way, never needed Viagra.

trab · « **Reply #83 on:** September 22, 2007, 04:46:42 PM »

Quote from: stillpumping on September 22, 2007, 10:44:32 AM

Appreciate the support Trab. By the way, never needed Viagra.

WTF, I dunknow, some of these guys think they never going to age?
Well, some are so stupid they may not last long, but other than that we all
keep putting miles on the chassis.

He who lasts longest with a satisfying life is the winner.

Tough old man · « **Reply #84 on:** September 25, 2007, 07:46:47 AM »

Quote from: stillpumping on September 07, 2007, 06:31:33 AM

Hi gentlemen.
Here is my story. I'm 67 and healthy , worked out for about 45 years (give or take), 5' foot 9 (used to be 5 10), 180, 12% body fat. Wanted to try steroids since about 1980 but never had enough information. This internet stuff is great. i have been reading this forum and others as well as research. I gather that first cycle is;
1-10 Test E
1-6 dbol
12-16 clomid 50 mg / day
12-16 Nolva 20 mg / day

My question is: am i waisting my time? Would Test do anything for me? If it would is there an "age limit" for this stuff to work?
Appreciate your input.

Old Man i'm 55 and if you want to cycle go for it...Just stick with Test only..You don't need the oral raising your B/P

stillpumping · « **Reply #85 on:** September 26, 2007, 05:36:54 AM »

Started week 3 today with the third shot. What a week this has been! Tons of energy, jug to the gym every time now, strength going up...now bench 155 for 17 reps. 2 days ego squatted for the first time in about 15 years. I feel i guess "fuller" is the only way to describe it like I have air inside me that permeates every cell. Will go to Doc for blood work next week. No negative sides yet, blood pressure still 110/75, so far so good.

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #86 on:** September 26, 2007, 05:45:43 AM »

Quote from: stillpumping on September 26, 2007, 05:36:54 AM

strength going up...now bench 155 for 17 reps. 2 days ego squatted for the first time in about 15 years. I feel i guess "fuller" is the only way to describe it like I have air inside me that permeates every cell. Will go to Doc for blood work next week. No negative sides yet, blood pressure still 110/75, so far so good.

Now is the time to increase the weights do weights you can get 8-12 reps with, progressive resistance. Take advantage of your new strength.

Also you mat want to make sure you are watching your prostate. Pretty much can guarantee it will enlarge.

davinci · « **Reply #87 on:** September 27, 2007, 11:42:57 PM »

Quote from: Luv2Hurt on September 26, 2007, 05:45:43 AM

Now is the time to increase the weights do weights you can get 8-12 reps with, progressive resistance. Take advantage of your new strength.

Also you mat want to make sure you are watching your prostate. Pretty much can guarantee it will enlarge.

yup keep an eye on that bad boy lol

angelo212 · « **Reply #88 on:** September 29, 2007, 10:18:05 PM »

Quote from: danielson on September 07, 2007, 06:58:26 AM

FFS, don't listen to these idiots. Thank the lord you are healthy and fit at that age. Enjoy your children and grandchildren. 180 at 12% is fantastic for a 67 year old! There are some stupid fucks on this board, don't listen to them.

I hope your kidding and just forgot to put a smile face at the end of your post. If your not kidding what are you doing on this board. He asked for opinions and you come off as his want to be savior like we are harming him. Jerk.

angelo212 · « **Reply #89 on:** September 29, 2007, 10:20:22 PM »

Quote from: danielson on September 07, 2007, 07:32:11 AM

It is 2 years older than my dad and if someone told him to juice I would kick their teeth out.

Or try to kick there teeth out. Take some time and research steroids for older men his age. It seems to be perfectly fine.

trab · « **Reply #90 on:** September 30, 2007, 05:48:05 AM »

Quote from: angelo212 on September 29, 2007, 10:20:22 PM

Or try to kick there teeth out. Take some time and research steroids for older men his age. It seems to be perfectly fine.

Right, a 200 range TT level sucks. It is not optimal health. Theres no way in hell I'd NOT use Testo if my nat
level stayed at 250. I have No energy or sex drive, and poor memory etc Post cycle when Ive pulled a 250.

Even bad Lipids. I Have BETTER lipid panels on Test!

Most EVERYTHING in the 1970-80's medical texts is flat out WRONG about AAS.
You need poke around in newer research and often work done OUTSIDE of the USA to get good data and facts.
There is clearly a concerted effort to stop all male hormone use by the US medical and insurance and Govt establishment.

stillpumping · « **Reply #91 on:** October 03, 2007, 02:07:00 PM »

Started week 4 this morning. Still taking 500 mg/week. This stuff is like miracle oil!!! Beyond the increase in energy, mood, and strength i feel like a new man. And the pumps!!! Let me ask you is it normal for the tris to get so full of blood that the arms would not straighten out. The interesting thing is my weight went from 180 to now 187 but i begin to see abs and striations on the chest, and shoulders!!! Where is the water retention??? I went from driving to the gym and back to jugging to the gym, work out, swim, and then jug back. I don't know if i should continue to write updates every week but i would like to thank all of you who helped me out with solid advice. All the best.

Overload · « **Reply #92 on:** October 03, 2007, 02:40:32 PM »

Quote from: stillpumping on October 03, 2007, 02:07:00 PM

Started week 4 this morning. Still taking 500 mg/week. This stuff is like miracle oil!!! Beyond the increase in energy, mood, and strength i feel like a new man. And the pumps!!! Let me ask you is it normal for the tris to get so full of blood that the arms would not straighten out. The interesting thing is my weight went from 180 to now 187 but i begin to see abs and striations on the chest, and shoulders!!! Where is the water retention??? I went from driving to the gym and back to jugging to the gym, work out, swim, and then jug back. I don't know if i should continue to write updates every week but i would like to thank all of you who helped me out with solid advice. All the best.

Excellent!

The water retention is usually diet related, dose related and can also vary from person to person. sounds like it's kicking in nicely.

Feel free to keep us updated as often as you please.

Good luck!

trab · « **Reply #93 on:** October 03, 2007, 04:03:37 PM »

Miracle Oil LOL

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realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #94 on:** October 03, 2007, 07:01:03 PM »

Quote from: danielson on September 07, 2007, 07:01:21 AM

He is 67 years old. Why on earth would he want to take steroids?

Lmao!

Arnold jr · « **Reply #95 on:** October 03, 2007, 07:32:37 PM »

Quote from: stillpumping on October 03, 2007, 02:07:00 PM

Started week 4 this morning. Still taking 500 mg/week. This stuff is like miracle oil!!! Beyond the increase in energy, mood, and strength i feel like a new man. And the pumps!!! Let me ask you is it normal for the tris to get so full of blood that the arms would not straighten out. The interesting thing is my weight went from 180 to now 187 but i begin to see abs and striations on the chest, and shoulders!!! Where is the water retention??? I went from driving to the gym and back to jugging to the gym, work out, swim, and then jug back. I don't know if i should continue to write updates every week but i would like to thank all of you who helped me out with solid advice. All the best.

Sounds like it's going great...just like I knew it would

Definitely keep us updated, I'm really interested in how this goes for you in the long term...I expect nothing but good things!

davinci · « **Reply #96 on:** October 03, 2007, 08:51:31 PM »

hell yea... welcome to enjoying a better life. dont listen to any of this idiots who talk about "enjoy your grandkids" wait till they hit your age and all of a sudden they want a boost.......

stillpumping · « **Reply #97 on:** October 10, 2007, 07:28:24 AM »

Here we go week 5. This past week more strength increase - benched 185 for 8 (stop before failure). Squats are now part of my routine - still going lite though to get the form right (did not squat in ?? years). Size is on the increase as well, turning some heads. Skin appears to be more "stretched" wrinkles dissapearing (on the body more then face). I begin to understand what some of you were referring to in regards to sex drive.
Still no negative sides - hair is intact, no acne, if i do hold water it is not noticeable, BP good, blood test scheduled for 10-24.
Trab thanks for all the advice and info.
Will update next week.

trab · « **Reply #98 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:46:14 AM »

Quote from: stillpumping on October 10, 2007, 07:28:24 AM

Here we go week 5. This past week more strength increase - benched 185 for 8 (stop before failure). Squats are now part of my routine - still going lite though to get the form right (did not squat in ?? years). Size is on the increase as well, turning some heads. Skin appears to be more "stretched" wrinkles dissapearing (on the body more then face). I begin to understand what some of you were referring to in regards to sex drive.
Still no negative sides - hair is intact, no acne, if i do hold water it is not noticeable, BP good, blood test scheduled for 10-24.
Trab thanks for all the advice and info.
Will update next week.

You ought to see what happens w/ just 2iu of HGH added.

Very nice for that skin fill out Biz.

Enjoy. Even at 46yrs myself, using some testo is improved quality of life IMO.

stillpumping · « **Reply #99 on:** October 17, 2007, 06:33:52 AM »

Week 6. more of the same - strength continues to increase, scale reads 189 (was 180 before cycle) bf still at 12%. Overall a feeling of wellbeing and optimism. The pumps during workout are getting to be a little annoying though. My triceps especially get so pumped that after 2-3 sets i find it difficult to continue. i only have enough Test left for another 7 weeks. The way i feel now... i don;t want to stop. What also worries me is that like some of you said i might have to stay on if my natural test will not kick in. My endo made it clear he would not prescribe and my gym guy is nowhere to be found. If anyone has advice how to go about getting more Test please let me know.
Blood test next week. Will let you know how it went.