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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2007, 06:41:11 PM »
i'm not jewish, but i wouldn't mind would like it if my kids were . . . someone mentioned nigella lawson before . . . all i've got to say is "Holy G-d!"

That cooking show lady? I'm drunk atm so bare with me! if I am right, then you ought to be impressed!

Fucking ECA hasn't worn off either... I am energetic, but a little drunk off of some cheap wine.

Some jewish women are really hott... My school has a lot of them.. Nice black hair, but pale complexions, friendly, but they tread with caution.. Always been nice to me. But they require effort. I did see one the other day and I wanted to suckle her boobies, but then my supposed gf called and buzzed in my ear about ramadan.. hahaha  ::)

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2007, 06:43:37 PM »
We can at least agree on her hotness.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2007, 06:46:57 PM »
We can at least agree on her hotness.

is she the cooking or what? Please answer.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2007, 06:49:59 PM »
is she the cooking or what? Please answer.

Don't know the last name or ethnicity but there's a show called Nigella Bites with a seriously pretty woman that I would hit..... like it was my fkng job!!!

Not even kidding.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2007, 06:52:41 PM »
Don't know the last name or ethnicity but there's a show called Nigella Bites with a seriously pretty woman that I would hit..... like it was my fkng job!!!

Not even kidding.

Does she have a brit accent but with jet black hair and a pale complexion?

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #105 on: September 17, 2007, 06:55:23 PM »

yeah, she's the cooking woman.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #106 on: September 17, 2007, 07:02:10 PM »

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #107 on: September 18, 2007, 01:38:02 PM »
Seems like this thread got a bit off track, talkin' about black people and Jewesses  :P

I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?).  Here is an excerpt I found.  The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #108 on: September 18, 2007, 02:14:50 PM »
Seems like this thread got a bit off track, talkin' about black people and Jewesses  :P

I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?).  Here is an excerpt I found.  The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
what an awesome article.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #109 on: September 18, 2007, 02:31:18 PM »

I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?).  Here is an excerpt I found.  The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

here's a response from Harvard Law prof Dershowitz

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/research/working_papers/dershowitzreply.pdf :

See pg. 5 specifically.

Also, from the Washington Post

Yes, It's Anti-Semitic

By Eliot A. Cohen
Wednesday, April 5, 2006; Page A23

Academic papers posted on a Harvard Web site don't normally attract enthusiastic praise from prominent white supremacists. But John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" has won David Duke's endorsement as "a modern Declaration of American Independence" and a vindication of the ex-Klansman's earlier work, presumably including his pathbreaking book, "Jewish Supremacism."

Walt and Mearsheimer contend that American national security dictates distancing ourselves from the state of Israel; that U.S. support for Israel has led to such disasters as America's status as the No. 1 target for Islamic terrorists; and that such an otherwise inexplicable departure from good sense can be accounted for only by the power of "The Lobby" (their capitalization), an overwhelmingly Jewish force abetted by some Christian evangelicals and a gentile neocon collaborator or two, who have hijacked American foreign policy and controlled it for decades.
   
One of Mearsheimer's University of Chicago colleagues has characterized this as "piss-poor, monocausal social science." It is indeed a wretched piece of scholarship. Israeli citizenship rests "on the principle of blood kinship," it says, and yet the country has a million non-Jewish citizens who vote. Osama bin Laden's grievance with the United States begins with Israel, it says -- but in fact his 1998 fatwa declaring war against this country began by denouncing the U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia and the suffering of the people of Iraq. "Other ethnic lobbies can only dream of having the political muscle" The Lobby has -- news to anyone advocating lifting the embargo on Fidel Castro's Cuba. The Iraq war stemmed from The Lobby's conception of Israel's interest -- yet, oddly, the war attracted the support of anti-Israel intellectuals such as Christopher Hitchens and mainstream publications such as The Economist. America's anti-Iran policy reflects the dictates of The Lobby -- but how to explain Europe's equally strong opposition to Iranian nuclear ambitions?

Oddly, these international relations realists -- who in their more normal academic lives declare that state interests determine policy, and domestic politics matters little -- have discovered the one case in which domestic politics has, for decades, determined the policy of the world's greatest state. Their theories proclaim the importance of power, not ideals, yet they abhor the thought of allying with the strongest military and most vibrant economy in the Middle East. Reporting persecution, they have declared that they could not publish their work in the United States, but they have neglected to name the academic journals that turned them down.

Inept, even kooky academic work, then, but is it anti-Semitic? If by anti-Semitism one means obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews; if one accuses them of disloyalty, subversion or treachery, of having occult powers and of participating in secret combinations that manipulate institutions and governments; if one systematically selects everything unfair, ugly or wrong about Jews as individuals or a group and equally systematically suppresses any exculpatory information -- why, yes, this paper is anti-Semitic.

Mearsheimer and Walt conceive of The Lobby as a conspiracy between the Washington Times and the New York Times, the Democratic-leaning Brookings Institution and Republican-leaning American Enterprise Institute, architects of the Oslo accords and their most vigorous opponents. In this world Douglas Feith manipulates Don Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney takes orders from Richard Perle. They dwell on public figures with Jewish names and take repeated shots at conservative Christians (acceptable subjects for prejudice in intellectual circles), but they never ask why a Sen. John McCain today or, in earlier years, a rough-hewn labor leader such as George Meany declared themselves friends of Israel.

The authors dismiss or ignore past Arab threats to exterminate Israel, as well as the sewer of anti-Semitic literature that pollutes public discourse in the Arab world today. The most recent calls by Iran's fanatical -- and nuclear weapons-hungry -- president for Israel to be "wiped off the map" they brush aside as insignificant. There is nothing here about the millions of dollars that Saudi Arabia has poured into lobbying and academic institutions, or the wealth of Islamic studies programs on American campuses, though they note with suspicion some 130 Jewish studies programs on those campuses. West Bank settlements get attention; terrorist butchery of civilians on buses or in shopping malls does not. To dispute their view of Israel is not to differ about policy but to act as a foreign agent.

If this sounds personal, it is, although I am only a footnote target for Mearsheimer and Walt. I am a public intellectual and a proud Jew; sympathetic to Israel and extensively engaged in our nation's military affairs; vaguely conservative and occasionally hawkish. In a week my family will celebrate Passover with my oldest son -- the third generation to serve as an officer in the United States Army. He will be home on leave from the bomb-strewn streets of Baghdad. The patch on his shoulder is the same flag that flies on my porch.

Other supposed members of "The Lobby" also have children in military service. Impugning their patriotism or mine is not scholarship or policy advocacy. It is merely, and unforgivably, bigotry.

The writer is a professor at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studie

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #110 on: September 18, 2007, 02:51:48 PM »
Seems like this thread got a bit off track, talkin' about black people and Jewesses  :P

I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?).  Here is an excerpt I found.  The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

I'll read the articles after the gym. In the meantime.......

He is an obvious racist and does not understand the US's obligation to support God's covenant with the Jews or Israel's right to our money.

Stop listening to people like that and embrace the truth. In time you will be like our friend Algernon... willing to convert, marry and raise your children in the faith of God's chosen people.

 :)

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #111 on: September 18, 2007, 03:41:10 PM »
here's a response from Harvard Law prof Dershowitz

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/research/working_papers/dershowitzreply.pdf :

See pg. 5 specifically.

Also, from the Washington Post

Yes, It's Anti-Semitic

By Eliot A. Cohen
Wednesday, April 5, 2006; Page A23


 ::) wow a couple of jews denounce it and say they are anti-semitic. what a surprise  ::)

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #112 on: September 18, 2007, 06:42:00 PM »
::) wow a couple of jews denounce it and say they are anti-semitic. what a surprise  ::)

 ::) david duke and a texas redneck agree. what a surprise  ::)

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #113 on: September 18, 2007, 07:05:42 PM »
::) wow a couple of jews denounce it and say they are anti-semitic. what a surprise  ::)

JM,

Anyone who disagrees on Israels US spending policy is a racist.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #114 on: September 18, 2007, 07:08:57 PM »
I've always hated the automatic reaction to something without ever reading into what that person or group has to say.  For instance, Al-Gebra's mentioning of David Duke and a Texas redneck, and in response to Matrix's decleration that the article I had posted was declared as being anti-semitic by two Jews.  For example, I know David Duke is not a very popular person.  But the vast majority of people have never read his works.  When his name is discussed, or a mention that Jews are in powerful positions overwhelmingly, it seems as if an automatic reaction is immediately brought up, like "omg, not a racist nutjob like that guy, whatever".  People also get very angry over such things.  For me, I don't get angry, I just get subjective.  Unbelievable how people are conditioned to react to nowadays without ever researching the topic.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #115 on: September 18, 2007, 07:18:55 PM »
I've always hated the automatic reaction to something without ever reading into what that person or group has to say.  For instance, Al-Gebra's mentioning of David Duke and a Texas redneck, and in response to Matrix's decleration that the article I had posted was declared as being anti-semitic by two Jews.  For example, I know David Duke is not a very popular person.  But the vast majority of people have never read his works.  When his name is discussed, or a mention that Jews are in powerful positions overwhelmingly, it seems as if an automatic reaction is immediately brought up, like "omg, not a racist nutjob like that guy, whatever".  People also get very angry over such things.  For me, I don't get angry, I just get subjective.  Unbelievable how people are conditioned to react to nowadays without ever researching the topic.

speaking of automatic reactions ::) you didn't even bother to read a word of what I posted, did you?

David Duke did endorse mearsheimer and walt (i wonder why) . . . but i suppose the only thing relevant to the world is your pov.

speaking of mearsheimer and walt . . . self-loathing seems to be catching.  drkaje can't wait to jump on the duke bandwagon in one way or another.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #116 on: September 18, 2007, 07:39:23 PM »
I've always hated the automatic reaction to something without ever reading into what that person or group has to say.  For instance, Al-Gebra's mentioning of David Duke and a Texas redneck, and in response to Matrix's decleration that the article I had posted was declared as being anti-semitic by two Jews.  For example, I know David Duke is not a very popular person.  But the vast majority of people have never read his works.  When his name is discussed, or a mention that Jews are in powerful positions overwhelmingly, it seems as if an automatic reaction is immediately brought up, like "omg, not a racist nutjob like that guy, whatever".  People also get very angry over such things.  For me, I don't get angry, I just get subjective.  Unbelievable how people are conditioned to react to nowadays without ever researching the topic.

JB,

You just don't undersatand.... Algernon is so bright that our ignorance wouldn't allow any understanding of his reasons. He's actually doing us a favor by not telling us a truth we couldn't comprehend.

I say we should all get similarly brainwashed and move to Israel.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #117 on: September 18, 2007, 10:03:36 PM »
::) david duke and a texas redneck agree. what a surprise  ::)
haha im not a redneck and not a white supremacist. all youve got now is the dreaded 'YOUR ANTI-SEMITIC' bullshit. maybe you can stop being a little bitch and actually explain your reasoning instead of just saying everyone else is wrong and ignorant 

lol i bet david duke thinks candy bars are good. so obviously anyone else who agrees that candy bars are good must be a white supremacist ::)

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #118 on: September 19, 2007, 03:57:18 AM »
haha im not a redneck and not a white supremacist. all youve got now is the dreaded 'YOUR ANTI-SEMITIC' bullshit. maybe you can stop being a little bitch and actually explain your reasoning instead of just saying everyone else is wrong and ignorant 

lol i bet david duke thinks candy bars are good. so obviously anyone else who agrees that candy bars are good must be a white supremacist ::)

Why are you still fighting the good fight?

Just give up, he doesn't have an answer.

Oh, and drink some of the kool-aid like me. :)

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #119 on: September 20, 2007, 08:11:14 AM »



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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #120 on: September 20, 2007, 09:07:02 AM »
I'd bang that old broad fucking SENSELESS!

Face looks a little off in the first shot, but check those titties!
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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #121 on: September 20, 2007, 09:19:23 AM »


lol i bet david duke thinks candy bars are good. so obviously anyone else who agrees that candy bars are good must be a white supremacist ::)

now why would I want to respond to someone who exhibits the reasoning ability of a rock?

whenever reasonable people have asked me a question, i have always responded . . . even in this thread. 

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #122 on: September 20, 2007, 10:19:39 AM »
now why would I want to respond to someone who exhibits the reasoning ability of a rock?

whenever reasonable people have asked me a question, i have always responded . . . even in this thread. 


You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.  :)

Why further embarrass yourself by defining 'reasonable' as agreeing with you? Despite our many differences of opinion I really expected more of you. You responded with rhetoric or insults to every honest request for a sound reason behind the policy. In that regard, it seems pretty obvious that you've earned (and should expect)a certain amount of abuse and lost credibility.

Just because it's the politics board doesn't mean we're supposed to cut someone slack for bullshitting us.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #123 on: September 20, 2007, 12:46:20 PM »
You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.  :)

Why further embarrass yourself by defining 'reasonable' as agreeing with you? Despite our many differences of opinion I really expected more of you. You responded with rhetoric or insults to every honest request for a sound reason behind the policy. In that regard, it seems pretty obvious that you've earned (and should expect)a certain amount of abuse and lost credibility.

Just because it's the politics board doesn't mean we're supposed to cut someone slack for bullshitting us.

your contributions to this thread have been insults to the intelligence of any reasonable person. so i've responded in kind.  ;)

if, however, someone reasonable wants to question me, i'm more than willing to answer.  my politics are not the same as CQ's, stella's, beach bum's, camel jockey's or ozmo's (just for instance), but I consider them to be among the reasonable people here, and would be more than happy to engage in a discussion with them. 

in this thread, CQ asked me a question, and I answered, even though I'm sure she sees things differently from me.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #124 on: September 20, 2007, 02:50:22 PM »
AMC,

That's not the girl I was thinking about. Had her confused with another cooking show hottie.

She's a little chunky for what I like but still doable. :)