well I've decided to put this product line to the test. I have always used some supplements to compete and have done well. However with the amount of supplements these guys are usinf these days to not turn pro is ridiculous. I have been clean for about 2 months now and see what results i get doing the same training and diet as i would with a show along with these sups and see if i can get even close to the condition that a have one shows with.