dearth brought up another point, everyone involved or tied to the olympia has this in-grained notion ronnie is competing with half an arm, and half a back, and with that how can he win.....its sad to see that everyone has basically shut the door on ronnie. When I first met ronnie for the very first time it was in 1999, and he was a great guy, we were at golds in venice and he was huge, I had a talk with him and he was cool enough to encourage me to have a good workout, I know most of the pros who trained at golds over the years, but actually ronnie was the easiest to approach and talk to. I wish him good luck, and jay also.........okay dave(so tell jay I wished him the best when you report this post to him).