How do you define a mixed martial artist?

[Bluto]

davinci says you need to do it all - in order to be a mixed martial artist, otherwise, you dont do mma.

that would mean, unless you practice the argentine leglock aka stretch muffler, flying armbar, foot stomp and diving crossbody you're not a mixed martial artist.

i disagree with this. not only that, i would say it's stupid to put a lot of time training stuff you'll never need. a) it's a waste of time as you could spend that time working on other things more important b) the risk of getting injured gets higher

discuss

[americanbulldog]

The goal of being well rounded, able to do well at all ranges is paramount.  Time being the limiting factor, training in all ranges becomes a problem.  I train once a week in standup, do judo once a week, and train BJJ sub grappling twice a week.  To be well rounded, you must train stand up, clinch, wrestling, subs/sub defense.

IMHO, the best arts for this is:

Muay Thai
Boxing
Greco Roman wrestling
Freestyle wrestling
Judo
BJJ
Sambo

[davinci]

oh brotha here we go again. bluto the last thread got deleted b/c of all the bashin on you and now you want to start it again? for the last time give up the leglock example........ the point was in MMA you train everything including sub defense the point was jsut b/c a guy kicks the shit out of a bag and does a tma hes not doin mma....

this thread has already failed the moment you post it.

the only answer your goin to get is someone who trains in a multiple of arts to use what works..........

no where in the last thread did i say  you had to do a leglock to b mma i said you have to train all aspects leg locks or not

give this up for hte last time.... your  just goin to get flamed again

[davinci]

and for you to say not train things you dont need is retarded and this is why IF you did train you would become one dimensional...


and for your last thread that said leg locks arent worth crap guess someone should of told arlovski that, to name one

[americanbulldog]

and for you to say not train things you dont need is retarded and this is why IF you did train you would become one dimensional...


and for your last thread that said leg locks arent worth crap guess someone should of told arlovski that, to name one

Maybe you should do some MMA style cardio. 

[davinci]

Maybe you should do some MMA style cardio. 

pwahhahaahha billy blanks here i come baby

might as well call it what it is HIT cardio

[Bluto]

oh brotha here we go again. bluto the last thread got deleted b/c of all the bashin on you and now you want to start it again? for the last time give up the leglock example........ the point was in MMA you train everything including sub defense the point was jsut b/c a guy kicks the shit out of a bag and does a tma hes not doin mma....

this thread has already failed the moment you post it.

the only answer your goin to get is someone who trains in a multiple of arts to use what works..........

no where in the last thread did i say  you had to do a leglock to b mma i said you have to train all aspects leg locks or not

give this up for hte last time.... your  just goin to get flamed again

But that's where we disagree, you don't have to train all aspects, you can do very well without ever training a leg lock for example, in fact you probably would do BETTER without training leg locks.

[americanbulldog]

But that's where we disagree, you don't have to train all aspects, you can do very well without ever training a leg lock for example, in fact you probably would do BETTER without training leg locks.

Not having leg locks in your arsenal is one thing, but not training them is folly.  I know a TON of shooto fighters who live off of leg locks.  You'd better know them, so you can recognize them and defend them. 

[Bluto]

Not having leg locks in your arsenal is one thing, but not training them is folly.  I know a TON of shooto fighters who live off of leg locks.  You'd better know them, so you can recognize them and defend them. 

Tell that to Chuck Liddell. I'm sure he will start training it like crazy 

[americanbulldog]

Tell that to Chuck Liddell. I'm sure he will start training it like crazy 

Funny you mention Chuck, he is a purple belt under John Lewis, and John as well as Dede love leg locks.  Just because he doesn't show it in his game, doesn't mean he doesn't do it.  I am starting to think you and RKBB are one and the same. 

[Bluto]

Funny you mention Chuck, he is a purple belt under John Lewis, and John as well as Dede love leg locks.  Just because he doesn't show it in his game, doesn't mean he doesn't do it.  I am starting to think you and RKBB are one and the same. 

Why would he do it? Make no sense. That's like training headbutts on a regular bases.

[americanbulldog]

Why would he do it? Make no sense. That's like training headbutts on a regular bases.

You don't train it, per se.  You see it while doing jits training.  While rolling, if an opportunity presents itself, and the guy you roll with love leg locks, guess what you will see?  Babalu loves them, you think they didn't gameplan a scenario with Chuck fighting off his back, scrambling, cage walking up to his feet to impose his will? 

[Bluto]

You don't train it, per se.  You see it while doing jits training.  While rolling, if an opportunity presents itself, and the guy you roll with love leg locks, guess what you will see?  Babalu loves them, you think they didn't gameplan a scenario with Chuck fighting off his back, scrambling, cage walking up to his feet to impose his will? 

Sounds good to me. you DON'T train them.

That's the idea.

[americanbulldog]

Sounds good to me. you DON'T train them.

That's the idea.

When Shinya Aoki did a seminar at our academy, he showed a plethora of ankle, foot locks.  BJ Penn, Mayhem Miller, Charuto were eating that stuff up and catching people in it left and right soon after learning new variations. 

[Bluto]

When Shinya Aoki did a seminar at our academy, he showed a plethora of ankle, foot locks.  BJ Penn, Mayhem Miller, Charuto were eating that stuff up and catching people in it left and right soon after learning new variations. 

There you go again with your endless namedropping.

The point is this - as a fighter every minute spent on training something useless could be spent on training something usefull.

[americanbulldog]

There you go again with your endless namedropping.

The point is this - as a fighter every minute spent on training something useless could be spent on training something usefull.

Now who is being confrontational?  It's okay, I have a life outside of getbig.  I'll let you win.  BTW, Bluto, weren't you the one who accused Chute of not being a REAL fan because he didn't attend EVERY UFC?  If someone is in town, at the academy I train at who is a top notch fighter, instructor, if I can attend, you'd better believe I will.  I mentioned BJ, Mayhem, Charuto because it is PERTENANT to the argument.  These professional fighters thought it relevant enough to add some of Shinya's techniques to their arsenal, and were catching seminar attendees in them is simply an example of RELEVANCE.  Pro fighters who don't have day jobs don't have to worry about driving from one place to another to learn from experts, hell if you are BJ, you can even fly them in to your academy and have them teach and train your stable of fighters.  I bet Roger Huerta was glad he knew how to defend leg locks in his last fight. 

[Bluto]

Now who is being confrontational?  It's okay, I have a life outside of getbig.  I'll let you win.  BTW, Bluto, weren't you the one who accused Chute of not being a REAL fan because he didn't attend EVERY UFC?  If someone is in town, at the academy I train at who is a top notch fighter, instructor, if I can attend, you'd better believe I will.  I mentioned BJ, Mayhem, Charuto because it is PERTENANT to the argument.  These professional fighters thought it relevant enough to add some of Shinya's techniques to their arsenal, and were catching seminar attendees in them is simply an example of RELEVANCE.  Pro fighters who don't have day jobs don't have to worry about driving from one place to another to learn from experts, hell if you are BJ, you can even fly them in to your academy and have them teach and train your stable of fighters.  I bet Roger Huerta was glad he knew how to defend leg locks in his last fight. 

Training leg locks isn't only a waste of time it also set you up for an unnecessary risk of injury (as you yourself mentioned numerous times) for someone, let's say Chuck Liddell to risk that would be a giant mistake, there's no doubt about it.

[americanbulldog]

Training leg locks isn't only a waste of time it also set you up for an unnecessary risk of injury (as you yourself mentioned numerous times) for someone, let's say Chuck Liddell to risk that would be a giant mistake, there's no doubt about it.

And that is why they don't allow white belts to do them in BJJ and sub grappling tournaments.  I agree it is dangerous, but BJJ, MMA is about combat, and it is a legit technique, so as a martial artist, shouldn't it be in your arsenal? 

[Bluto]

And that is why they don't allow white belts to do them in BJJ and sub grappling tournaments.  I agree it is dangerous, but BJJ, MMA is about combat, and it is a legit technique, so as a martial artist, shouldn't it be in your arsenal? 

Depends. For some it might be a good idea, for others not. It's not a given. And leg locks is just an example - there's plenty of others: should flying knees be part of your arsenal? Should you spend a great deal of time practicing foot stomps? The list goes on and on.

[davinci]

and this my friends is why people like tito have become obsolete, two one dimensional. the game is changing to much now, to many people are coming at you from EVERY angle you have to b able to keep up

the point was in mma you train everything, even chuck who throws nothing but bombs trains everything b it leg lock or DEFENSE from a leglock


guess someone should of told big tim to practice defending leg locks;)

most beautiful one ive seen, ryan chonan flying heel hook on anderson silva

blut you are ignorant and its apparent, you dont have to train a leglock to b mma but i will tell you you do train SUB DEFENSE and in order to train subdefense you have to understand the sub.....


its so tiring arguing with someone who doesent even train

[Fury]

There you go again with your endless namedropping.

The point is this - as a fighter every minute spent on training something useless could be spent on training something usefull.

You've never heard of Shinya Aoki? What are you, retarded or something?

[davinci]

and guess what bluto if you where a fighter its guys like  you who would get CAUGHT with something b/c they didnt train it. then after the match you would have to go back see what you did wrong and guess what, you would b training that specific thing to make sure it doesent happen again....


oh this is just pointless arguing with an arm chair warrior

[Bluto]

you dont have to train a leglock to b mma

Glad to see you come around son. That's what I was telling you.

[Bluto]

and guess what bluto if you where a fighter its guys like  you who would get CAUGHT with something b/c they didnt train it. then after the match you would have to go back see what you did wrong and guess what, you would b training that specific thing to make sure it doesent happen again....


oh this is just pointless arguing with an arm chair warrior

There's always a possibility anyone would get caught at something, but you have to weigh that against the time it takes practicing (which could be used at strengthening more important part of your game), the slim chanceit would happen and the risk of injury practicing it in training.

My guess is, after Chuck Liddells two recent losses his trainer didn't scream "Leg locks Chuck, we gotta work 'em leg locks!"

[davinci]

There's always a possibility anyone would get caught at something, but you have to weigh that against the time it takes practicing (which could be used at strengthening more important part of your game), the slim chanceit would happen and the risk of injury practicing it in training.

My guess is, after Chuck Liddells two recent losses his trainer didn't scream "Leg locks Chuck, we gotta work 'em leg locks!"

bluto anyone who trains ground game trains in subs and defense of subs. for someoen like you who doesent even fight or train to say leglocks are useless is just plain retarded. you dont seem to see just how bad and ignorant you make yourself look. your ignorance is doing nothing but driving this board into the ground. a board you have no clue about.

wow look at this under chuck lidell stats...... read under the part that says "submissions" ill cut and paste but you can go to the links to read it  yourself, and this isnt the only page that describes chucks training


Submission - Liddell has done some submission training and focuses on the leg lock when he cannot knock his opponent out. It is reported that Chuck Liddell holds a Purple Belt in Jiu-Jitsu. Though he is able, Liddell seldom tries to submit or even shoot in on an opponent.


now bluto you are a complete idiot especially in the since that you seem to magically know what chuck trains...... guess you can go tell chuck hes wasting his time