If God ordered you to kill a child..........

[Deicide]

The only thing that McWay and I have admitted, like any Orthodox Jew and like any conservative Christian, is faith that the Bible is the word of God.  That, according to you, makes us all(Orthodx Jews and conservative Christians) child murderers. 

OzmO, this is nothing but your way to promote religious hatred.  The Taliban, al'Qaeda and Hamas would welcome you with open arms to help indoctrinate their children.  

Why criticise Muslim organisations when you indoctrinate your own DNA with mythological bullshit...!

[OzmO]

The only thing that McWay and I have admitted, like any Orthodox Jew and like any conservative Christian, is faith that the Bible is the word of God.  That, according to you, makes us all(Orthodx Jews and conservative Christians) child murderers. 

OzmO, this is nothing but your way to promote religious hatred.  The Taliban, al'Qaeda and Hamas would welcome you with open arms to help indoctrinate their children. 

I asked you a question and you answered it.  When i asked it again or asked for clarification you repeated stated that you have answered it.

You would kill children.  Deal with it.  Stop trying to hide from it.  Your book teaches it  and justifies it and YOU agree with it.

Now becuase of your answer I'm promoting religious hatred?     Your are starting to remind of the characteristics of a cult.

Is this what your book teaches?  to avoid responsibility for your actions?

I'm not surprised.  The Jews in the OT did it often and you are following suite.

Monster example of you avoiding the truth.

p.s.  Your desperate acts of trying to turn this into "religious hatred" are very disappointing.    So you don't have to pull out your dumb card again as usual i will state my core assertion for the umpteenth time:  The Bible is not the 100% word of God.

[OzmO]

Why criticise Muslim organisations when you indoctrinate your own DNA with mythological bullshit...!

He's just desperate becuase he's been pinned and painted.

[gtbro1]

I am still waiting on a christian to explain to me how Cane got married and had children when Eve did not have a daughter...at least not at that time.

[Deicide]

I am still waiting on a christian to explain to me how Cane got married and had children when Eve did not have a daughter...at least not at that time.

Well, in fairy tales not everything needs to make sense or add up, that's why it's a fairy tale...

[loco]

You must really be desperate loco.  It's sad that you must sink this low to defend the book you worship.

Defend a book?  You are not attacking a book.  You are attacking individuals, and  groups of individuals (Orthodox Jews and Conservative Christians).  You are spewing ignorance and hatred.  Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers.

[loco]

Why criticise Muslim organisations when you indoctrinate your own DNA with mythological bullshit...!

Muslims? No, not all Muslims.  The Taliban, al'Qaeda and Hamas are terrorists organizations who would very much enjoy OzmO's lecture on how all Bible believing Jews and Christians are child murderers.  These terrorists organizations do not represent all Muslims.

[Deicide]

Muslims? No, not all Muslims.  The Taliban, al'Qaeda and Hamas are terrorists organizations who would very much enjoy OzmO's lecture on how all Bible believing Jews and Christians are child murderers.  These terrorists organizations do not represent all Muslims.

Well as a bible thumping fundy nutcase you DO believe that your desert strewn god is infallible, that is, that he determines what is moral or not, meaning according to you if god told you to murder your parents and all your friends with the admonition that you cannot understand his 'will', you would happily go ahead and do it.

[OzmO]

Defend a book?  You are not attacking a book.  You are attacking individuals, and  groups of individuals (Orthodox Jews and Conservative Christians).  You are spewing ignorance and hatred.  Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers.

So me where i say that all who the believe the bible as the word of God are child murders loco.

SHOW ME!

aside from that...

Do you deny what you said?

Is you belief in the bible so weak you cannot stand by what you said?

If you cannot handle someone questioning what you said, but instead get all defensive about it, maybe you shouldn't have said it in the first place.

So now what's next?  Are you gonna start saying i support the nazi's to deflect from you admitting you'd kill innocent babies?

In case you don't get it loco, Word of god means every word and everything in it.  You can't just conveniently shove aside murdering innocent children and at the same use other passages in the bible to claim you have the total truth.

[MCWAY]

I believe it happen loco, but i don't believe God is a hypocrite while you struggle to find justification for killing children.

 
You must really be desperate loco.  It's sad that you must sink this low to defend the book you worship.

Let's clear things up so that maybe it will harder for you to words in my mouth which you do so often do when you are faced the cold hard fact the BIBLE is not the word of GOD

-  You've admitted you would have killed innocent babies, infants, children

-  A person is not a child murder until they actually murder a child.  So when you say "all" that's far from true and i do not accuse all or any Christians or jews save those who killed the amalikite children.

-  2 conservative Christians on this board have admitted they would have killed children and you are one of them.  That's as far as my accusation has gone.

-  Now you are comparing me to Al Queda?     grasping grasping grasping   lol.   Maybe you should pull you nose out fo the bible you worship long enough to see what exactly the issues are that Al Queda has with the USA.  you'll see it's not the jews murdering children thousands of years ago.

 
Now this is the funny part.   In your desperation to defend the book you worship, you try and distract from the issue by bringing up an unrelated issue involving my views as if that makes what the Jews did ok or as if discrediting the critic distracts from the issue of killing innocent children.

It's too bad that the alleged word of God in the bible is soo weak and full inconsistencies that you have to go through this trouble to defend it huh loco?

Too bad this word isn't as full of wisdom and beyond reproach the way the real word of an all powerful God should be huh loco?

Too bad your are relegated to defending the murder of innocent children huh loco?

You do the same buddy, but what ever. 

Ask me some questions and give them a number and i'll answer them.   While you are at it maybe you can answer this  one:

If you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that God contacted you and it was GOD and he ordered you to kill 30 babies would you do it?

I wouldn't loco becuase it's an immoral thing to do.  Killing children is wrong under any circumstances.  "I will not kill people becuase of what they might do.  Just i don't see you as a child murderer until you actually kill a child.  Killing people in self defense is one thing as it would justified to killed those amalikite soldiers but to kill children goes against GOD, goes against:  Thou shalt not kill. 

You can't see this and will never see it becuase you have put your self in a spiritual limbo by worshiping that book and have traded your common sense for blind allegiance.

That's a very sad thing loco becuase you are good man.  You have much you do for people with the example you set but have limited yourself.

You can still be everything a Christian is loco and have the common sense that the bible is not the 100% word of God.

I really am all ears to finding a better way.  If being fully against legal abortion is a 10 and being fully for legalized abortion is a 1 and 5 is the line, i'm a 4.99999999.

I see the answer in society changing their moral standards kind of like it has when it comes to killing innocent children.   

So what part is the word of God and what part isn't, if your claim that "the Bible is not the 100% word of God" is valid?

Of course, that leads me back to my initial question about this Amalekite scenario. You claim that the edict to destroy the Amalekites was NOT one from God, but a lie made up by the Israelites to justify their actions. Once again, if that's the case, why, despite a huge victory by the Israelites (in which they got Amalek's choice livestock and the booty of war and kept Amalek's king as a hostage) did Saul LOSE his throne? Where was the "lie" about that?

[MCWAY]

I asked you a question and you answered it.  When i asked it again or asked for clarification you repeated stated that you have answered it.

You would kill children.  Deal with it.  Stop trying to hide from it.  Your book teaches it  and justifies it and YOU agree with it.

Now becuase of your answer I'm promoting religious hatred?     Your are starting to remind of the characteristics of a cult.

Is this what your book teaches?  to avoid responsibility for your actions?

I'm not surprised.  The Jews in the OT did it often and you are following suite.

Avoid responsibility to whom? The Jews of the Old Testament did nothing of the sort, in particular king Saul (with regards to the Amalekites).

God did not order the Israelites to spare any of the Amalekites or their possessions. Saul did and lost his throne, because of it. And you seem to forget that Israel got punished on several occasions for not obeying God's instructions. In fact, you complained about that earlier, with regards to the golden calf thing.

Monster example of you avoiding the truth.

p.s.  Your desperate acts of trying to turn this into "religious hatred" are very disappointing.    So you don't have to pull out your dumb card again as usual i will state my core assertion for the umpteenth time:  The Bible is not the 100% word of God.

Again, which parts are and which parts aren't and why? Are only the portions that don't outrage you the word of God? Or, you don't think that the portions that describe God's judgment (on the Israelites or anyone else) is the word of God? Which is it?

[loco]

So me where i say that all who the believe the bible as the word of God are child murders loco.

SHOW ME!

aside from that...

Do you deny what you said?

Is you belief in the bible so weak you cannot stand by what you said?

If you cannot handle someone questioning what you said, but instead get all defensive about it, maybe you shouldn't have said it in the first place.

So now what's next?  Are you gonna start saying i support the nazi's to deflect from you admitting you'd kill innocent babies?

In case you don't get it loco, Word of god means every word and everything in it.  You can't just conveniently shove aside murdering innocent children and at the same use other passages in the bible to claim you have the total truth.

Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers. 

[Deicide]

Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers. 

Once again, you believe that god determines what is moral, hence if he commanded you to murder children, it would be in your eyes a) moral and right and b) necessary to perform.

[loco]

Well as a bible thumping fundy nutcase you DO believe that your desert strewn god is infallible, that is, that he determines what is moral or not, meaning according to you if god told you to murder your parents and all your friends with the admonition that you cannot understand his 'will', you would happily go ahead and do it.

I, like all Orthodox Jews and like all conservative Christians, believe that the Bible is the word of God.  Does that = "bible thumping fundy nutcase"?  Does that = parent, friend, child murderer?

OzmO,
you are quickly gaining followers.  You got Trapezkerl believing the above, and you got him believing in abortion as birth/population control.  Great job!   

[nzhardgain]

Our God is infallible "trapezkerl".check it out .his name is

JEHOVAH

he owns you

ps  you sorted out your gender confusion?I know i get confused with who is male and who aint round here.
God bless you

[OzmO]

Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers. 

You can't even answer anything directly can you?

Now are you even denying what you said?

Do i need to ask you again so that you can tip toe around once more?

If you were a Jewish soldier would you kill the amalikite children on God's order?

Here's what you said:

Had I been king Saul?  Yes, unlike Saul and unlike you, I would have obeyed God and completely destroyed the Amalekites, both out of obedience to God and to project my people from this 300+ year threat.  But that does not guarantee entrance into heaven.  Only faith in Jesus Christ can do that.

There is your answer.

Hence you would either order the death of innocent children or kill them yourself.

Live with your answer and stop trying to hide from the truth like you do with the Bible.

Next issue:

Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers. 

Why are you so desperate that you act so weak using words like only every and ALL?

do i have to draw a picture for you?

do i have to constantly repeat myself?

How many times must correct you?

how many times must repeat my self?

Hopefully this will help:

1.  The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.
2.  The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.
3.  The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.
4.The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.
5.The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.
6.The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.
7.The Jews who killed innocent children in the OT are child murderers and those who said they would do the same thing on God's orders are not child murderers until they actually do it.


is 7 times enough for you to finally get that I'm not saying ALL jews and Christians or do you need more?

[OzmO]

Avoid responsibility to whom? The Jews of the Old Testament did nothing of the sort, in particular king Saul (with regards to the Amalekites).

God did not order the Israelites to spare any of the Amalekites or their possessions. Saul did and lost his throne, because of it. And you seem to forget that Israel got punished on several occasions for not obeying God's instructions. In fact, you complained about that earlier, with regards to the golden calf thing.

McWay, it doesn't change the fact that killing innocent children is murder and is not right and goes against the commandments.  Hence:  contradiction and hypocrisy.

Looks to me, (if i got what you are saying about Saul right) that in order to justify killing the children and removing Saul, they blamed removing Saul for not following the orders of leaving the live stock and supplies in order to cover up the embarrassment and ensuing outrage of murdering children.  That why the nation is free from guilt of the atrocity they committed and they found a scapegoat to remove Saul.

Again, which parts are and which parts aren't and why? Are only the portions that don't outrage you the word of God? Or, you don't think that the portions that describe God's judgment (on the Israelites or anyone else) is the word of God? Which is it?

I think first off, any contradictions direct or indirect are the obvious ones.  3 we've talked about in detail:  Slavery, the 3000 in exodus and this one.  Additionally, much of the Bible contains religious doctrine that christains take a the WOG.

And your question here is pretty much my whole point:  we don't know.  And becuase the bible is full of crap like this we will never know.  So when you people so fondly quote crap using words like:  ONLY  we know that there is strong possibility that it might not be true. 

[OzmO]

Can you quote me or McWay saying that I or that he would murder children?  No.  You label all who believe that the Bible is the word of God child murderers. 

I showed you where you would kill children loco,   can you now show me what i asked you?

 

BTW, you are now absent from answering about a half dozen of my questions  lol

[Deicide]

I, like all Orthodox Jews and like all conservative Christians, believe that the Bible is the word of God.  Does that = "bible thumping fundy nutcase"?  Does that = parent, friend, child murderer?

OzmO,
you are quickly gaining followers.  You got Trapezkerl believing the above, and you got him believing in abortion as birth/population control.  Great job!   

Answer the question bible thumper: is morality a set of principles that supersede your goatherder god or are these principles derived from him? If so, that would make murder, if commanded by god 'moral' and you would be obligated to follow the command of your god to murder someone, a) because coming from god it would be moral and b) you must obey your deity....don't avoid the question, answer it!

[Dos Equis]

I was talking to a couple friends about this Amelikite issue the other day.  One of them said those folks were into things like sorcery and child sacrifice.  Another said it was the custom in that day for kids, particularly males, to avenge their parents.   

We also talked about how the killing of their entire group wasn't really any different than the destruction of entire cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) and the entire planet (the flood), which also included kids. 

[OzmO]

I was talking to a couple friends about this Amelikite issue the other day.  One of them said those folks were into things like sorcery and child sacrifice.  Another said it was the custom in that day for kids, particularly males, to avenge their parents.   

We also talked about how the killing of their entire group wasn't really any different than the destruction of entire cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) and the entire planet (the flood), which also included kids. 

(probably even a 10 year old) but definitely a 3 year old and under can be influence to give up their evil ways they were taught and become living productive members of society.

It doesn't matter what they were into.  We are talking about the children who didn't know better.  Innocent children.  We wouldn't do something as barbaric as that today becuase of how wrong and evil it it would be to kill innocent children and infants and it's still an evil and wrong thing to do back then.

God supposedly ordered men to kill innocent children that could have been looked after.  Monster hypocrisy.   God did no such thing.  Man did.

[beatmaster]

GOD IS IMAGINARY... why is it so hard to understand?

[Deicide]

(probably even a 10 year old) but definitely a 3 year old and under can be influence to give up their evil ways they were taught and become living productive members of society.

It doesn't matter what they were into.  We are talking about the children who didn't know better.  Innocent children.  We wouldn't do something as barbaric as that today becuase of how wrong and evil it it would be to kill innocent children and infants and it's still an evil and wrong thing to do back then.

God supposedly ordered men to kill innocent children that could have been looked after.  Monster hypocrisy.   God did no such thing.  Man did.

You're right, because there is no god.

[Dos Equis]

(probably even a 10 year old) but definitely a 3 year old and under can be influence to give up their evil ways they were taught and become living productive members of society.

It doesn't matter what they were into.  We are talking about the children who didn't know better.  Innocent children.  We wouldn't do something as barbaric as that today becuase of how wrong and evil it it would be to kill innocent children and infants and it's still an evil and wrong thing to do back then.

God supposedly ordered men to kill innocent children that could have been looked after.  Monster hypocrisy.   God did no such thing.  Man did.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but the Amelikite story isn't unique.  Innocent children were killed in the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood. 

[OzmO]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but the Amelikite story isn't unique.  Innocent children were killed in the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah and the flood. 

It certainly isn't unique and the flood, sodom and Gomorrah are other examples of the same thing but in a different way.  In this particular instance God orders other men to murder children.