Houston, we have a problem...

[MindSpin]

[Bluto]

he's fucked. and he put himself in that position himself. i dont know what the hell he was thinking seeking the clinch and not going for a proper gnp when he got the takedown

[*ChuteBoxe*]

he's fucked. and he put himself in that position himself. i dont know what the hell he was thinking seeking the clinch and not going for a proper gnp when he got the takedown

How could he have gotten proper Gnp?  The second Silva hit the ground he already Alexander's left leg isolated, all he had to do was turn into it and get his own takedown.  That's not a proper position for Gnp.

[Bluto]

How could he have gotten proper Gnp?  The second Silva hit the ground he already Alexander's left leg isolated, all he had to do was turn into it and get his own takedown.  That's not a proper position for Gnp.

Can't remember the situation exactly, but I know he lost because of his own mistakes, not because of Silvas superiority as you claimed in another thread.

[jarhead]

houston may read his own press clippings on yahoo and started to believe they were all true.

[Bluto]

I dont know what the hell he was thinking... he might've ended up on the ground and mounted anyways, but surely he should know better than put himself in that situation BY himself...

That's some self-ownage right there

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Can't remember the situation exactly, but I know he lost because of his own mistakes, not because of Silvas superiority as you claimed in another thread.

I said Silva's strengths nullify Alexander's, that's pretty much what happened. 

[Bluto]

Pretty much anyone could've mounted Houston and GNP him like that. Houston beat himself.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Pretty much anyone could've mounted Houston and GNP him like that.

If that's the case, why did he have only one loss before this fight?

[Bluto]

If that's the case, why did he have only one loss before this fight?

Houston went on his back. In that situation pretty much anyone could've mounted him and GNP him. Even Tank Abbott.

To give a shitload of credit to Silva is of course outta place and the only reason you do that is that he's from your favorite camp (who produced people like Shogun who got choked the fuck out by Forrest Griffin) and Wanderlei Silva (who lost 3 outta his last 5 fights, getting KO'ed in the 2 last) 

I doubt even Silva himself would praise himself much after that fight.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Houston went on his back. In that situation pretty much anyone could've mounted him and GNP him. Even Tank Abbott.
To give a shitload of credit to Silva is of course outta place and the only reason you do that is that he's from your favorite camp (who produced people like Shogun who got choked the fuck out by Forrest Griffin) and Wanderlei Silva (who lost 3 outta his last 5 fights, getting KO'ed in the 2 last) 

I doubt even Silva himself would praise himself much after that fight.

Houston didn't "Go" on his back, he was put there and held there by a well trained BJJ blackbelt with a tight mount and a good base, and only time Tank Abbott hits the ground is when his chin is checked.  Chuteboxe consistantly produces fighters who give it there all and try there damnedest to put on an exiting fight, win or lose, healthy or injured.  Chuteboxe has alot of good fighters not just Shogun or Ninja, Wandy "graduated" from Chuteboxe already and is no longer part of the team.  Thiago Silva and Andre "Dida" Amade are part of the new breed of Chuteboxe and I look foward to their future fights. I'm not a fair weather fan, I like the Chuteboxe style.  By the way, what's with the "top bunny" avatar? I always thought of you as a power bottom.

[Bluto]

Houston fucked up. He went for the clinch. He went to the ground. He should've done neither IMO.

Silva might be the real deal, I'm not saying he isn't, time will tell, but I'm not gonna give him a lot of credit for his performance in this particular fight.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Houston fucked up. He went for the clinch. He went to the ground. He should've done neither IMO.

Silva might be the real deal, I'm not saying he isn't, time will tell, but I'm not gonna give him a lot of credit for his performance in this particular fight.

Houston went for the clinch because that's where he beat Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara, that's his strong point, it also happens to be one of Silva's as well.  When he (Alexander) did go for the clinch the last time, Silva started grabbing behind Alexanders head going for the MuayThai Clinch, Alexander in turn took him down instead of possibly being mauled, it also happens that Silva is pretty good on the ground too.  You're saying Houston shouldn't have gone for the clinch and shouldn't have gone to the ground, and it's obvious Houston can't fight from the outside.  My question is, with all you're infinite MMA knowledge, you seem to know what every fighter should and shouldnt do, what should he have done? 

[ChinoXL]

Houston didn't "Go" on his back, he was put there and held there by a well trained BJJ blackbelt with a tight mount and a good base, and only time Tank Abbott hits the ground is when his chin is checked.  Chuteboxe consistantly produces fighters who give it there all and try there damnedest to put on an exiting fight, win or lose, healthy or injured.  Chuteboxe has alot of good fighters not just Shogun or Ninja, Wandy "graduated" from Chuteboxe already and is no longer part of the team.  Thiago Silva and Andre "Dida" Amade are part of the new breed of Chuteboxe and I look foward to their future fights. I'm not a fair weather fan, I like the Chuteboxe style.  By the way, what's with the "top bunny" avatar? I always thought of you as a power bottom.

 

[Special Ed]

Mindspin,

Nice title! Mind if I steal that for my blog?

mmawriter.com

[Bluto]

Houston went for the clinch because that's where he beat Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara, that's his strong point, it also happens to be one of Silva's as well.  When he (Alexander) did go for the clinch the last time, Silva started grabbing behind Alexanders head going for the MuayThai Clinch, Alexander in turn took him down instead of possibly being mauled, it also happens that Silva is pretty good on the ground too.  You're saying Houston shouldn't have gone for the clinch and shouldn't have gone to the ground, and it's obvious Houston can't fight from the outside.  My question is, with all you're infinite MMA knowledge, you seem to know what every fighter should and shouldnt do, what should he have done? 

It's obvious he CAN fight from the outside, because he hit Silva with his hardest shots when he had some distance and Silva desperately went for the clinch.

To seek the clinch in the first round, then just holding on is NOT a good gameplan for Houston.

[daddy8ball]

Pretty much anyone could've mounted Houston and GNP him like that. Houston beat himself.

Hi Bluto.

Why do you repeatedly minimize Silva's win over Houston?

Just curious.

[Bluto]

Hi Bluto.

Why do you repeatedly minimize Silva's win over Houston?

Just curious.

Because he hardly did shit. I doubt Silva himself thinks the world of his performance. He probably thinks "wuaoo, that was easy!"

[MindSpin]

Mindspin,

Nice title! Mind if I steal that for my blog?

mmawriter.com

go for it.  where's the blog?

[Special Ed]

go for it.  where's the blog?

MMAwriter.com

[*ChuteBoxe*]

It's obvious he CAN fight from the outside, because he hit Silva with his hardest shots when he had some distance and Silva desperately went for the clinch.
To seek the clinch in the first round, then just holding on is NOT a good gameplan for Houston.

Alexander only landed one shot the entire fight, and it was a grazing right hand that he threw after he ate the push kick while bull charging in.  The rest of his shots were either taken by Silvas forarms or just short.  All Alexander was doing (when not clinching) was walking Silva down and trying to charge in but Silvas footwork didn't allow him to, at no point in that fight was a Alexander trying to use distance as his gameplan, he was too busy trying to close the distance.  You are either blind or dumb, and the clinch that you say Silva desperately went for was because Houston had him trapped against the cage, it was the only logical move in this game of human chess, you make it seem like he had so many other options.

[Bluto]

Alexander only landed one shot the entire fight, and it was a grazing right hand that he threw after he ate the push kick while bull charging in.  The rest of his shots were either taken by Silvas forarms or just short.  All Alexander was doing (when not clinching) was walking Silva down and trying to charge in but Silvas footwork didn't allow him to, at no point in that fight was a Alexander trying to use distance as his gameplan, he was too busy trying to close the distance.  You are either blind or dumb, and the clinch that you say Silva desperately went for was because Houston had him trapped against the cage, it was the only logical move in this game of human chess, you make it seem like he had so many other options.

so what if it took on his forearms? had he stuck with that he could've got an opening. you dont really believe he's only capable of punching from the clinch do you?

houston had him trapped against the cage - yes! bad spot for silva to be in, how the hell did he end up there? 

if he didnt have many options, then whos fault is that? either he's to blame, or houston is to be applauded for putting him there, whats it gonna be?

[20inch calves]

with all these different opinions all of you guys have to agree on one thing....houston seemed alittle timid. he almost seemed for a lack of a better word..scared. he just was off. the look on his face when he came in was different. i think he may have somewhat defeated himself before he stepped in the ring. it doesn;t matter if silva is/was better than alexander  he should have came out swinging for the fences

[Bluto]

with all these different opinions all of you guys have to agree on one thing....houston seemed alittle timid. he almost seemed for a lack of a better word..scared. he just was off. the look on his face when he came in was different. i think he may have somewhat defeated himself before he stepped in the ring. it doesn;t matter if silva is/was better than alexander  he should have came out swinging for the fences

yes i brought that up earlier in that other thread, coming into the fight he looked pumped etc, but in the ring he was different... almost as if he was outta gas... maybe he got to think too much or afraid of losing, feeling pressure to 'prove himself' earlier he was like he couldnt care less cause nobody believed in him anyway. he had nothing to lose coming into jardine.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

so what if it took on his forearms? had he stuck with that he could've got an opening. you dont really believe he's only capable of punching from the clinch do you?

houston had him trapped against the cage - yes! bad spot for silva to be in, how the hell did he end up there? 

if he didnt have many options, then whos fault is that? either he's to blame, or houston is to be applauded for putting him there, whats it gonna be?

You seem to think he was having success fighting from the outside, when he wasn't, and hasn't in the past against other opponents. It was Houston that was desperately seeking close quarters with Silva and it was Silva that was using his foot work and jabbing and throwing kicks to stay out of the path of a charging houston.  Houston didn't beat himself, Houston was himself, and it didn't cut it this time.