You think there are Meth addicted Bodybuilders?

[nycbull]

the just say no and the 'drugs will make you sick and a junkie' route, doesnt work because its not true. Because kids will inevitably try drugs and discover that they make you feel good, happy, loved and have fun...So then they just think the adults were lying all along.

The better approach is for adults to tell kids Yes, drugs to make you happy, but only temporarily. They will eventually desensitize your brain and then you be unable to feel real happiness without them. First one pill will make you happy but soon you will need two, then three to feel the same happiness.

The  happiness you feel is fake but you will think its real and you wont do the necessary things to create real happiness, like working hard and getting educated and finding real love. They will sap your ambition and drive without you even knowing it.

Tell them only a lazy cowardy, weak person would take a pill to be feel happy and loved instead of working for it.

Those are the real dangers of drugs not the 'your going to feel sick, become a junkie and die' . Thats just bullshit.

[Overload]

The better approach is for adults to tell kids Yes, drugs to make you happy, but only temporarily. They will eventually desensitize your brain and then you be unable to feel real happiness without them. First one pill will make you happy but soon you will need two, then three to feel the same happiness.

The  happiness you feel is fake but you will think its real and you wont do the necessary things to create real happiness, like working hard and getting educated and finding real love. They will sap your ambition and drive without you even knowing it.

Very true.

Meth, X and Coke are just as popular as steroids in bodybuilding...

i've trained with guys who did a few "bumps" before training sessions when they were low carb.

Think of all the guys who drink energy drinks before training, Coke will do the same thing 100 fold...

[Ex Coelis]

I wouldn't be surprised if most pros and amateurs enjoy a line or two, coke seems to be everywhere these days.

I think meth is a little too crazy for bbers

[nycbull]

i've trained with guys who did a few "bumps" before training sessions when they were low carb.

thats nuts, i mean with coke you never know how your heart is going to react, and then lifting heavy weights on top of that...that sounds insane to me. And dangerous for the other members of the gym that have no idea someone is drugged during their workout.

[Van_Bilderass]

Anyone remember the article by Trevor Smith on how to diet on X and GHB? LOL

[Van_Bilderass]

Anyone remember the article by Trevor Smith on how to diet on X and GHB? LOL

Found it   

Lunatic Fat Loss Program…..Or The Realities of Fat Loss in the Fitness and Bodybuilding World
By Trevor Smith

So what’s with the dual title to this article. Well it is pretty much self-explanatory. The realities of fat loss programs in both the fitness and bodybuilding industry are pretty fucking lunatic! Now I am not saying that all fitness competitors and all bodybuilders follow the program below, but some of them do and even more shocking is the majority that do, do so without even realizing it. So the purpose of this article is to shed light on some of these radical approaches and structure them in such a way as to utilize them consciously in the quest to shed bodyfat. Understand that this is not a recommendation at all, it is merely a hypothetical expose on what is being done and how one might go about doing it.


First off, let’s throw together a list of known thermogenic compounds that bodybuilders and fitness competitors like to use to get into shape and keep the fat off:

Most commonly they are:

Clenbuterol
Thyroid
Caffeine/Aspirin/Ephedrine or the herbal equivalents
D.N.P.
Now those are the most commonly used ones….in actuality, most people still do not understand or know how to use D.N.P. and so do not consider it a viable tool in fat loss, which is a good thing because misuse can and will kill you! Because of this, let’s drop D.N.P. off this list. That leaves us with Clenbuterol, Thyroid, and Caffeine/Aspirin/Ephedrine.

Scores of information is abound about how one would use these products to achieve in an increased metabolic rate and subsequently fat loss, but what most people do not realize is there is a new one, two punch that is often added to this stack that causes fat to literally melt off the body at an alarming rate. As I stated before, most of the time people who are adding this one-two punch to the afore mentioned stack are not doing so for reasons of fat loss, so they are often clueless as to why they are getting so damn lean and ripped so fast. They are simply interested in one thing when they are using these two compounds: Getting Fucked Up and Partying all night long!

That’s right, the Rage of the Rave scene: Ecstasy and G.H.B.

Ecstasy, while causing intense feelings of Euphoria, has an interesting little side effect: An increase in core body temperature. Contrary to all the erroneous hype on ecstasy, it’s most dangerous property and the reason for all of the deaths associated with it’s use is not that it burns a hole in your brain, but it causes over-heating and dehydration. Now this is due to both the increase in body temperature caused by ecstasy itself, combined with the fact that Rave clubs are always packed with lots and lots of people who are also on ecstasy and therefor emitting lots and lots of body heat. Add to this that when on ecstasy people are inclined to dance for hours and hours non-stop which increases their body temperature even more, you get DANGEROUS levels of body temperature akin to having a fever and dancing inside of an oven. Now all of this could and would be alleviated if people made sure that they took breaks every half hour to an hour to cool down and consumed plenty and plenty of cold water, say 16oz. of water every 30 minutes when doing lots of lots of dancing and when they are sweating lots and lots. But that is another story. We are talking about how this works in shedding lots and lots of fat so let’s get back to it. So we now understand that ecstasy severely increases the metabolic rate and therefor increases body temperature. Now let’s look at G.H.B.

Receiving tons and tons of bad press over the last 5-10 years, G.H.B. was a compound that was sold over the counter up until 1990-1991 and was used extensively in Europe as both an anesthetizing agent along with being used to help alcoholics get weaned off booze. Misuse of this product and combination with alcohol resulted in a number of deaths, but more so it resulted in lots and lots of rapes and sex crimes because slipped into an unsuspecting females drink in a high enough dosage, she will literal pass out and go into a coma like state, only to awake and realize she has been the victim of a horrible, cowardly act by some fucking loser who deserves to be gang raped by a team of Clydesdale horses for doing such a terrible thing. —as you can tell I have a real hard-on for guys who commit date rate because they are looking for sex and know exactly what they are doing as opposed to serial rapists who commit there senseless acts not for sexual enjoyment but for other warped reasons. So this resulted in the subsequent banning of G.H.B. which is unfortunate because used with common sense it is a totally safe compound with many positive effects. This brings us to the subject of our article. Like ecstasy, one of GHB’s positive effects is an increase in metabolic rate and body temperature, which results in fat loss and like ecstasy it gives the user a euphoric high, although one has to be careful with the dose as too much will knock you right out into a deep sleep.

O.K. now we have a brief understanding of what is going on with these two compounds, so let’s discuss a hypothetical way that one might go about using them in conjunction with the afore mentioned fat burning compounds.

Since you are dealing with some serious compounds here, it would be wise to limit their use in your fat burning regime to just 4 weeks. What follows is probably so much smaller in terms of doses and frequency than what a lot of bodybuilders and fitness competitors/models are doing, but remember we are looking at a hypothetical here and we want to be smart and safe.

Week 1: Monday-Friday

80-120 mcg of Clenbuterol (this would be dependant on bodyweight and most women would only need between 60 and 80mcg)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 2-3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: Assuming that one would be going out from 11:00pm-4: 00am dancing at a Rave club the following would be done: ? to ? tab of ecstasy taken every 1.5 hours along with ? to ? of a teaspoon of liquid GHB. (Again women would stick to ? tab of ecstasy and ? teaspoon of GHB) 16-20oz. of cold water MUST be drank every 30 minutes and it would be wise to do a lot of dancing to further increase metabolic activity

Sunday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Week 2: Monday-Friday

3-4 B.M.R. 10 caps before each of the first 3 meals of the day (this is my thermogenic formula and it is way more effective than the standard E/C/A stack but again one would be wise to start with a smaller dose if tolerance and bodyweight are lower)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Sunday: 2-3 teaspoons of GHB taken before bed

Week 3: Monday-Friday

80-120 mcg of Clenbuterol (this would be dependant on bodyweight and most women would only need between 60 and 80mcg)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 2-3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Sunday: 2-3 teaspoons of GHB taken before bed

Week 4: Monday-Friday

3-4 B.M.R. 10 caps before each of the first 3 meals of the day (this is my thermogenic formula and it is way more effective than the standard E/C/A stack but again one would be wise to start with a smaller dose if tolerance and bodyweight are lower)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: Assuming that one would be going out from 11:00pm-4: 00am dancing at a Rave club the following would be done: ? to ? tab of ecstasy taken every 1.5 hours along with ? to ? of a teaspoon of liquid GHB. (Again women would stick to ? tab of ecstasy and ? teaspoon of GHB) 16-20oz. of cold water MUST be drank every 30 minutes and it would be wise to do a lot of dancing to further increase metabolic activity but make sure that one was resting and cooling off every so often

Sunday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Diet should be as follows in this hypothetical program:

Monday-Saturday

2-3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight

1-1.5 grams of carbohydrates per pound of bodyweight

1/8gram of fats per pound of bodyweight

Sunday: Cheat day…eat what you want

So for a 250lb man this would mean

500-750 grams of protein per day (the higher amount of protein would be taken if the person was carb sensitive)

250-375 grams of carbohydrates per day (the higher amount of carbs would be taken if the person was not carb sensitive and was consuming only 500 grams of protein per day)

30 grams of fat per day

For a woman we have to change the diet as follows

2-2.25 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight

1-1.25 grams of carbohydrates per pound of bodyweight

? grams of fats per pound of bodyweight

So for a 130lb woman this would mean

260-290 grams of protein per day (the higher amount of protein would be taken if the person was carb sensitive)

130-160 grams of carbohydrates per day (the higher amount of carbs would be taken if the person was not carb sensitive and was consuming only 260 grams of protein per day)

30 grams of fat per day

Thus we conclude our hypothetical discussion with the following statement: I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ENCOURAGING THE USE OF ECSTACY OR GHB OR ANY OTHER DRUG FOR THAT MATTER. The purpose of this article was simply to expose the types of things that are being done in the fitness and bodybuilding world to achieve radical fat loss. Again most people are not even aware what they are doing and the effects it is having when they are partying on the weekend at the local Rave club using GHB and ecstasy. They are using amounts way over and above what I have discussed here and I guess my hope is that if they come across this article and read through it, they will organize the things they are using so that they will be safer and healthier and will not jeopardize their health.

[BEAST 8692]

thats nuts, i mean with coke you never know how your heart is going to react, and then lifting heavy weights on top of that...that sounds insane to me. And dangerous for the other members of the gym that have no idea someone is drugged during their workout.

as i mentioned on the other thread, wsm competitors were big users of coke in the 80s and 90s (don't know if they still do, but i would expect so), average body weight 330lbs, lifted tons of weight and took a lot of bad cholestrol raising orals like anadrol, etc. if anyone was going to fit the crieteria for a walking heart attack it was these guys and quite a few did.

many many athletes use coke as a ped and as a party drug. they use it all the time. fairly easy to beat the test too and doesn't stay in the system too long anyway.

[Ex Coelis]

Found it   

Ecstasy and G.H.B. !?!

what happened to good old fashioned Clenbuterol . . .

[nycbull]

it must have been a site to see Trevor Smith dancing for hours on Ectasy at a Rave party. who knew?

[Overload]

as i mentioned on the other thread, wsm competitors were big users of coke in the 80s and 90s (don't know if they still do, but i would expect so), average body weight 330lbs, lifted tons of weight and took a lot of bad cholestrol raising orals like anadrol, etc. if anyone was going to fit the crieteria for a walking heart attack it was these guys and quite a few did.

many many athletes use coke as a ped and as a party drug. they use it all the time. fairly easy to beat the test too and doesn't stay in the system too long anyway.

Very true...

The guys i know who use it are dieting for shows and they have been doing it this way for YEARS. these guys also use it to party with but if you didn't know them you would never know.

[BEAST 8692]

Trevor Smith rip, was one of the smarter guys in bbing who had a good bullshitmeter. some of the stuff he advocated was a little hardcore for me, but there's no doubt that he succeeded in becoming one of the strongest and most massive gym bbers in the world....not sure if that was such a great idea.

excellent and factual article.

[Stu]

"Meath"

 

[Camel Jockey]

Ephedrine stacked with caffine isn't close to good coke, or anywhere near as powerful as ecstacy, but it can get you pretty wired.

There are bodybuilders that are probably alcoholics, potheads, cokeheads, party animals etc.

[Van_Bilderass]

Ephedrine stacked with caffine isn't close to good coke, or anywhere near as powerful as ecstacy, but it can get you pretty wired.

There are bodybuilders that are probably alcoholics, potheads, cokeheads, party animals etc.

Dave Draper was an alcoholic who liked PCP (seriously). He was supposed to appear in Pumping Iron but the PCP had caused some jaw problem that prevented him from speaking. I was surprised reading that as his image was so "wholesome".

[stormshadow]

the just say no and the 'drugs will make you sick and a junkie' route, doesnt work because its not true. Because kids will inevitably try drugs and discover that they make you feel good, happy, loved and have fun...So then they just think the adults were lying all along.

The better approach is for adults to tell kids Yes, drugs to make you happy, but only temporarily. They will eventually desensitize your brain and then you be unable to feel real happiness without them. First one pill will make you happy but soon you will need two, then three to feel the same happiness.

The  happiness you feel is fake but you will think its real and you wont do the necessary things to create real happiness, like working hard and getting educated and finding real love. They will sap your ambition and drive without you even knowing it.

Tell them only a lazy cowardy, weak person would take a pill to be feel happy and loved instead of working for it.

Those are the real dangers of drugs not the 'your going to feel sick, become a junkie and die' . Thats just bullshit.

Very good post. 

[Camel Jockey]

Dave Draper was an alcoholic who liked PCP (seriously). He was supposed to appear in Pumping Iron but the PCP had caused some jaw problem that prevented him from speaking. I was surprised reading that as his image was so "wholesome".

I think most people who are in good shape(bodybuilding wise) probably use some sort of drug, whether anabolics, stimulants, drinking, or a combination of everything.

[Spoony Luv]

Francis Cricks saw the double helix while on LSD...If he hadn't of used such drugs, the double helix may still have been a mystery...

Trevor post there is a really good post...Anyone who was involved in that scene thru out the 90's can relate to what he stated there...

And GHB is one of the most useful drugs for a bodybuilder...Esp/for one with a very busy schedule and one that has trouble sleeping...That shit can put you into REM sleep so fucking fast it isn't funny...Alot of people sleep 8 hours a night and never really reach REM sleep or do so for very short periods of time...That is one of the reason people sleep walk thru life...

The raves of the 90's totally fucked us all over when it comes to GHB...To many people paniced when seeing what can happen if you use to much...And of course the bastards/preditors who used it to put chicks out of their misery..

Damn i miss GHB...That shit is no joke now when in comes to jail time and the DEA...

[joelocal]

.........yep, right here!!

It was common practice back in the day to train on Meth, Coke or amphetamines. As of this year, I'm 17 years clean.

[jr]

Oh the Good docu is here is some of you want to watch it... real good stuff, no idea how you can logg trees and still take meth.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a85_1197268673

Good doco! I wasn't aware that Zone Capone was having to deal with methamphetamine addiction in his life. All the best with the recovery Zone.

[gh15]

wow guys,,im proud of you,,very good thread that shows how much you learned during the last 2 years,,
anyone that walk around 250lb anything at 6% bf at 5'10 not even talking about 5'6,,,is taking his body to the extreme both hormone wize and sadlly in many cases recreatinal drug wize,,

most bodybuilders of the new era are indeed using meth cocaine and their relatives,,guys like blck marcus are prime examples,,but its not only him it is many many more including white bodybukldes and ex bodybuilders such as murderer,,

i use to always say that you need to understand etc etc,,now i can say you understand.....that bodybuilders do not walk around 250lb 4% just from diet,,female bodybuilder and fitness girls big big addicts like lafransuia katheie ,,and monica brant,,they all used it even though not even close to 150 anything,,

it is part of bodybuilding and ruined it,,girls that would never step in gym looking anythihg became something due to the use of hormoes and recreationals ,,they used men only to be able to get those drugs,,not for the sake of love,,almost no women in bodybuilding and fitness are with men for the actual word love,,

male bodybuildes that are femiliar with word probation all used and sold recreationls such as x meth coaine and that what usuallly get them in trouble not the hormone,,

im willing to go out on my name gh15 and swear here right now right here getbig that any bodybuilder who ever got to true 3% at 240+ used recreational drugs,,ANY SINGLE ONE you do the matt......c just doing word play for you friends merry christmax to all

[Spoony Luv]

Good doco! I wasn't aware that Zone Capone was having to deal with methamphetamine addiction in his life. All the best with the recovery Zone.

I second that...Zone looks a hard ass worker but my fear is he won't be with us much longer...Hopefully he can get it together for the sake of his family...

Looks like Zone stayed covered up alot during that documentary...I know even at his best, that his calves were some of the worst to ever grace the stage...

[EL Mariachi]

Ive seen a movie what meth does in a person's life. Its the strongest drug out there, providing 12 hours long feeling of super human, in thailand they use it to work 48 hours straight, with no food. Its highly addictive and it maximizes your neurotransmitters, but after some time it will burn you damn neurotransmitters down, aswell as your teeth. The bigger the high, the harder you will fall. Stark dont try to promote this shit right here.

[Spoony Luv]

Ive seen a movie what meth does in a person's life. Its the strongest drug out there, providing 12 hours long feeling of super human, in thailand they use it to work 48 hours straight, with no food. Its highly addictive and it maximizes your neurotransmitters, but after some time it will burn you damn neurotransmitters down, aswell as your teeth. The bigger the high, the harder you will fall. Stark dont try to promote this shit right here.

Yes it for sure is bad news...Hopefully we don't get a co-radio host name dropping and outing people who have had problems with it

[bigdumbbell]

i'm such a square i have no idea what meth looks like, but I've been around people who were on it

[Camel Jockey]

My brother has a meth head friend named Jewel. He's skinny and gaunt looking, but he's pretty sharp, and a sharp dresser and has a clean look about him. His teeth aren't falling out or anything, but he does have a big criminal record.

I guess it varies with people. Plenty of people use speed and other stimulants to go about their day, but don't have the look associated with drug addicts.