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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2007, 10:33:57 AM »
That's actually what I said:  the primary goal is profit for shareholders.  But the other goals do exist and are part of any well run corporation.   

What I didn't say was that a CEO would not be fired for incompetence.  Where are you getting that from?  What I've said is a CEO/president will not be fired for carrying out a board's mandates and the officer's entire performance would be evaluated.  We just disagree on whether Bush was incompetent.  He isn't.  He has had a number of accomplishments during his presidency.  A slew of Americans are better off under his watch.  That's partly why we sent him back for a second term. 

Are you better off today than you were in 2000?     

The only legal purpose of a corporation is to make a profit.  All else is dicta...we could talk about a competent workforce or good coffee in the company kitchen too but those are not legal purposes of a corporation.

You overestate the mechanics of a board of directors and a CEO.  The influence is what matters.  Why was Jack Welch effectual?  Wasn't he just a messenger boy for the GE board of directors?

I am better off than 2000 but not b/c anything Bush has done.

What if the Chinese call our notes due?  Think of the tax hike that would happen to satisfy those obligations.  You owe over $30,000 Beach Bum.

Bush is grossly incompetent judging by the economic well-being of our country as a whole.

If you wish to look at isolated cases of people prospering under Bush's tax slashing and deregulation bonanza that's fine.  But that does not represent the country as whole....like our national debt does.

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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2007, 10:48:07 AM »
The only legal purpose of a corporation is to make a profit.  All else is dicta...we could talk about a competent workforce or good coffee in the company kitchen too but those are not legal purposes of a corporation.

You overestate the mechanics of a board of directors and a CEO.  The influence is what matters.  Why was Jack Welch effectual?  Wasn't he just a messenger boy for the GE board of directors?

I am better off than 2000 but not b/c anything Bush has done.

What if the Chinese call our notes due?  Think of the tax hike that would happen to satisfy those obligations.  You owe over $30,000 Beach Bum.

Bush is grossly incompetent judging by the economic well-being of our country as a whole.

If you wish to look at isolated cases of people prospering under Bush's tax slashing and deregulation bonanza that's fine.  But that does not represent the country as whole....like our national debt does.

I disagree.  Some statute somewhere might say the "legal purpose" of a corporation is profit, but that's not reality for most well-run corporations.  That's the primary, but hardly the only, purpose.

How am I overstating the mechanics of the board?  They actually run the corporation.  The president makes the day-to-day decisions, but he or she always answers to the board. 

I'm not referring to isolated cases of Americans.  We are prospering in great numbers all across the country.  Unemployment has been down.  New jobs have been created.  Home ownership is up.  Income is up.  Yes our national debt and our deficit are a problem, but on balance I think our country is better off today than it was in 2000.     

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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2007, 11:18:16 AM »
I disagree.  Some statute somewhere might say the "legal purpose" of a corporation is profit, but that's not reality for most well-run corporations.  That's the primary, but hardly the only, purpose.

How am I overstating the mechanics of the board?  They actually run the corporation.  The president makes the day-to-day decisions, but he or she always answers to the board. 

I'm not referring to isolated cases of Americans.  We are prospering in great numbers all across the country.  Unemployment has been down.  New jobs have been created.  Home ownership is up.  Income is up.  Yes our national debt and our deficit are a problem, but on balance I think our country is better off today than it was in 2000.     
Is it better for the Katrina victims and the city of New Orleans?  How about the 3000+ dead soldiers?  Home ownership is up?  So is the record defaults, repossessions and evictions. 

Poverty in the US has ballooned under Bush from 31 million to 37 million--there's 6 million people that don't appreciate the good times under Bush.

There are 7 million more uninsured people under Bush---Bet they are happy about his policies.

The Average Income has stalled or fallen.  Both income and wealth inequality have exploded.

His tax cuts went inordinately to the rich--more than they paid in.

America's middle class is working harder, making less, and paying more just to get by. After eight years of watching their incomes go up, middle- class families have seen them drop an average of $1,500 a year since Bush took office. They're paying $3,500 a year more for health insurance, $1,200 a year more for college, and $750 a year more for gasoline.

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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2007, 12:03:09 PM »
I think our country is better off today than it was in 2000.     


Is it better for the Katrina victims and the city of New Orleans?  How about the 3000+ dead soldiers?  Home ownership is up?  So is the record defaults, repossessions and evictions. 

Poverty in the US has ballooned under Bush from 31 million to 37 million--there's 6 million people that don't appreciate the good times under Bush.

There are 7 million more uninsured people under Bush---Bet they are happy about his policies.

The Average Income has stalled or fallen.  Both income and wealth inequality have exploded.

His tax cuts went inordinately to the rich--more than they paid in.

America's middle class is working harder, making less, and paying more just to get by. After eight years of watching their incomes go up, middle- class families have seen them drop an average of $1,500 a year since Bush took office. They're paying $3,500 a year more for health insurance, $1,200 a year more for college, and $750 a year more for gasoline.

Can you please list how the USA is "better off" today than 7 years ago, BB?

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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2007, 12:19:21 PM »

Can you please list how the USA is "better off" today than 7 years ago, BB?


Well 240, he does have a point, Americans are better off today than in 2000.

Today, you can look forward to getting rid of that clown in a year ...possibly less.

Back in 2000, you were looking at potentially 8 yrs. so in that sense....
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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2007, 02:35:54 PM »
Is it better for the Katrina victims and the city of New Orleans?  How about the 3000+ dead soldiers?  Home ownership is up?  So is the record defaults, repossessions and evictions. 

Poverty in the US has ballooned under Bush from 31 million to 37 million--there's 6 million people that don't appreciate the good times under Bush.

There are 7 million more uninsured people under Bush---Bet they are happy about his policies.

The Average Income has stalled or fallen.  Both income and wealth inequality have exploded.

His tax cuts went inordinately to the rich--more than they paid in.

America's middle class is working harder, making less, and paying more just to get by. After eight years of watching their incomes go up, middle- class families have seen them drop an average of $1,500 a year since Bush took office. They're paying $3,500 a year more for health insurance, $1,200 a year more for college, and $750 a year more for gasoline.

No, things are not better for those who died in war, a natural disaster, lost their home, etc., etc.  But for millions of other Americans, yes their lives are better today than they were seven years ago.   

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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
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Re: If the United States was a corporation?
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2007, 03:31:35 PM »
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/chap5-nrn-bak.html

have an original thought for once in your lifetime and post a synopsis of it, no?

I don't usually visit propaganda websites anymore.