Do steroids work or not? Massive arms posts (sarcastic) vs. All Drugs posts

[The Showstoppa]

if you are scared just say so. its your first time? dont worry we will be genttle. just make sure you carry the water and try not to drool over all the compeditors backstage. try and contol your showstopping self. what a joke. what show would you stop? so your a shawn michaels fan huh?
lucian

Don't get your posing trunks in a twist, martha, I'm just shitting around.  BTW, who is Shawn Michaels? I'm the icon who can still go. 

[lucian]

Don't get your posing trunks in a twist, martha, I'm just shitting around.  BTW, who is Shawn Michaels? I'm the icon who can still go. 

actualy i spent 4 years on the indy circiut. lucian bagwell. the gimik was i was buff bagwell lil brother. i know some of the guys. ive never talked to shawn but hear hes a good guy. a shoulder injury took me out and at the time wcw and ecw were shut down. wwe was the only place to go. i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea. just cant take the abuse anymore. still have neck problems. this pic is right in the middle of my wrestling career. thats why my legs lack so bad. we didnt train legs for years as to keep more mobile.
lucian

[The Showstoppa]

actualy i spent 4 years on the indy circiut. lucian bagwell. the gimik was i was buff bagwell lil brother. i know some of the guys. ive never talked to shawn but hear hes a good guy. a shoulder injury took me out and at the time wcw and ecw were shut down. wwe was the only place to go. i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea. just cant take the abuse anymore. still have neck problems. this pic is right in the middle of my wrestling career. thats why my legs lack so bad. we didnt train legs for years as to keep more mobile.
lucian

you do resemble buff.  too bad with the injuries.  Very few wrestlers have even decent legs, but then again so do few "bodybuilders" haha

[lucian]

you do resemble buff.  too bad with the injuries.  Very few wrestlers have even decent legs, but then again so do few "bodybuilders" haha

the rock had good legs and my buddy tatanka did too.batista does too, even for a tall guy. i miss the biz all the time, but i dont think i could take all the punnishment anymore. getting too old
lucian

[The Showstoppa]

the rock had good legs and my buddy tatanka did too.batista does too, even for a tall guy. i miss the biz all the time, but i dont think i could take all the punnishment anymore. getting too old
lucian

Luger late in his career had the best set of wheels.  Of course he was never very mobile.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea.

What is "phnumonea"   Is it an AIDS related illness?

[Man of Steel]

2p4u....you are wasting your time here. thougt  id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard.  the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian

Big as a house there lucian!!  

[Man of Steel]

actualy i spent 4 years on the indy circiut. lucian bagwell. the gimik was i was buff bagwell lil brother. i know some of the guys. ive never talked to shawn but hear hes a good guy. a shoulder injury took me out and at the time wcw and ecw were shut down. wwe was the only place to go. i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea. just cant take the abuse anymore. still have neck problems. this pic is right in the middle of my wrestling career. thats why my legs lack so bad. we didnt train legs for years as to keep more mobile.
lucian

Ever had the opportunity to meet and/or wrestle the greatest of them all.....the Natureboy!!!

[MindSpin]

My name is jerry ward. theres pics from both shows on there. i dont take praise nor disses from people who dont know what they are taliking about. someone who doesnt do the sport shoudnt be giving advice on competition. kinda like hiring a fat personal traininer. if he cant do it for himself...how can he do it himself? missing your peak can be holding water, flattning out, and wrong use of diuretics.
heres another pic. by the way over use of jan tanna gel makes you look smoother. which i also did. but i am not claming i was in great shape for the show. but i looked better the next day and the night before the show. if it was just simply being out of shape that wouldnt have happened. but 3 weeks latter i proved the shape i could come in.
lucian

You look horrible man.  RU natural?

[Man of Steel]

You look horrible man.  RU natural?

AHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!  "You look horrible man."   Brutal honesty

[CalvinH]

Luger late in his career had the best set of wheels.  Of course he was never very mobile.

Or sane.

[jason armstrong]

Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds. 

First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all.  If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids.  This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery).  ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house. 

NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs".  Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"?  You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....

So which is it?  You cant keep contradicting yourselves.  Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input.  DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT? 

"toopowerforu" first off you are the last person that needs to be posting in defense of "ALL DRUGS" when your physique is a perfect example of all drugs....mr featured member on professional drug dealing muscle .com good lord all one has to do is search your posts you are on a ton of shit and brag about eating junk food!

And good lord nobody's more harcore than you!!! you get kicked out of every gym you go tooo!

You are skinny with terrible genetics and are basically as we say skinny muscled!

" Thrown out of ANOTHER mainstream gym
Jeeeezeee....nowhere to train anymore. lol. Kicked out of Golds for being loud (urging on training partners or my bro, i rarely make noise lifting unless its a few soft grunts), banging weights (deadlifting, bb rowing and setting up my own tbar in the corner?), maybe occasionally dropping RUBBER dumbells (not even hard), and i guess just intimidating members (dont even try to, im friendly, just not social haha). Oh and occasionally cursing (didnt know everyone had virgin ears and it offended everyone, ever hear of freedom of speach haha).

Christ, 3rd gym i got kicked out of now for lifting hard. I got kicked out of Golds middletown for putting my training partner on top of the leg press (well we got yelled at, then trained with shirts off and scared members cuz the lady was a bitch haha). Freedom kicked me out because i was "too big" and scared members (they even put up a "meathead free zone" sign).

As i was leaving i said "eh, i cant lift hard here, its a soft environment for pussy lifters" to which the manager replied "thats what we want, thats where the money is". FIGURES......

Im headed back to hardcore Jersey Shore in bradley beach NJ (see you there tatt haha). Only gym that lets you lift heavy, make noise (i dont even make alot), drop weights, and train insane. I should take some pictures so you guys can all see this place....5 dumbell racks up to 100lbs, and the big one up to 180. The leg press from the Ronnie Coleman vid that holds like 2k lbs. Big heavy duty machines, brick walls, dim lights, great mirrors, tons of crossover stations with lots of attachments, and even the OLD SCHOOL pressdown ones attached to the walls from Arnolds day! Damn those things are heavy, 25lbs feels like a ton haha. Miss that place, too lazy to take the 15min drive but guess i have to now...its where i belong and iv noticed.... i ALWAYS train harder there due to the environment and my surroundings!"
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31423

skinny geek!  ALL DRUGS!!!

[jason armstrong]

why you want a poster size for your wall??lol thats just how they are saved.  here are a few from the 2007 lehigh valley where i got 2nd in the heavywt. there re more on musculardevelopment.com
lucian

nice upper body.
is it against the law to train legs in PA or sumthing?
pitiful lower body.

[The Showstoppa]

You look horrible man.  RU natural?

Ok, "evolver..." 

[Croatch]

you have a good point. i trained for years natty. then when i maxed out   went to the next step. as for now i am natural, 238lb, and my strength has drepped but am still @ about 80% of what i was when i juiced. i do think people should give it a good 3-4 years natty before taking the leap. other wise when you go off you will loose a lot of the gains.
lucian

How much did you weigh before gearing up?  You mean, you're 238lbs clean.

[lucian]

Ever had the opportunity to meet and/or wrestle the greatest of them all.....the Natureboy!!!

i have met flair but never worked him. he was very nice. a very classy guy.
lucian

[lucian]

You look horrible man.  RU natural?

thank you for the compliment.
lucian

[lucian]

nice upper body.
is it against the law to train legs in PA or sumthing?
pitiful lower body.

like  i said i didnt triain legs for years while i was wrestling.
lucian

[lucian]

What is "phnumonea"   Is it an AIDS related illness?

pneumonia. my typing skills suck.
lucian

[lucian]

How much did you weigh before gearing up?  You mean, you're 238lbs clean.

yeah clean. i was 145lb n bulked to 153. then stated gear and got to 230. 2 cycles later 272lb. so YES the drugs work.
lucian

[The Showstoppa]

yeah clean. i was 145lb n bulked to 153. then stated gear and got to 230. 2 cycles later 272lb. so YES the drugs work.
lucian

shhhhh, quit telling these "natural" queers.  Let them struggle for 10 years and figure it out on their own.

[lucian]

shhhhh, quit telling these "natural" queers.  Let them struggle for 10 years and figure it out on their own.

oops!!!
lucian

[Van_Bilderass]

"toopowerforu" first off you are the last person that needs to be posting in defense of "ALL DRUGS" when your physique is a perfect example of all drugs....mr featured member on professional drug dealing muscle .com good lord all one has to do is search your posts you are on a ton of shit and brag about eating junk food!

Yeah, the best part is that he is lecturing the rest of the membership there about not relying on gear and trying to keep the board "about training and nutrition" instead of drugs. He is too stupid to see that the board is a business, not a "training board".

He is the last person to lecture anyone about not relying on drugs, seeing as he is in his early 20s and already done tons of AAS, GH, Insulin, IGF-1 and so on and so on.

[20inch calves]

lucian you look good man. good luck with the jr's

[MindSpin]

thank you for the compliment.
lucian

Not sure how that would taken as a compliment   In any case, what's with the penciled in beard and frosted hair?  Is that some sort of gay code?