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Longevity Pioneers
« on: January 21, 2008, 04:16:42 PM »

    These people in the news as of late using Human Growth Hormone, Anabolic Steroids and other anti aging prescriptions will eventually in due time be known as "Pioneers in Human Longevity". Who is the real force behind the Anti Steroid campaign ??? My guess is people who have not used them and only know what they have been taught either through the media or yes uneducated/ignorant medical professionals .

   So congratulations to Mr Stallone, Mr. Schwartzenwatever, and so many other "Closet Pioneers"

P.S.  More and more Rejuvenation (call it what you want) centers are opening up all the time. Why is this, because it is the way of the future, and the "medications" work.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 04:25:53 PM »
What now?

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 04:50:41 PM »
Get in the lineup at youre local center before all the "important people" figure this out !!!


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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 04:54:06 PM »
    These people in the news as of late using Human Growth Hormone, Anabolic Steroids and other anti aging prescriptions will eventually in due time be known as "Pioneers in Human Longevity". Who is the real force behind the Anti Steroid campaign ??? My guess is people who have not used them and only know what they have been taught either through the media or yes uneducated/ignorant medical professionals .

   So congratulations to Mr Stallone, Mr. Schwartzenwatever, and so many other "Closet Pioneers"

P.S.  More and more Rejuvenation (call it what you want) centers are opening up all the time. Why is this, because it is the way of the future, and the "medications" work.

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These things do nothing to increase lifespan.  However, they arguably might increase quality of life in the aged.  (they might also contribute to cancer growth in the aged).
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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 04:56:39 PM »
No, don't like standing in lines, or waiting.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 04:58:17 PM »
Yes there is a lot of shoulda coulda wouldas when it comes to hormones, more studies are needed for sure.



 

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2008, 04:59:04 PM »
I agree Rami

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2008, 05:04:26 PM »
Yes there is a lot of shoulda coulda wouldas when it comes to hormones, more studies are needed for sure.



 

That's not to say I wouldn't use them or consider using them.  If I'm gonna die at 85 either way (using or not using), but I can have a younger energy and appearance for the last 20 years of that by adding hormones, why not?
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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2008, 05:11:09 PM »

These things do nothing to increase lifespan.  However, they arguably might increase quality of life in the aged.  (they might also contribute to cancer growth in the aged).
Good point. There is no evidence for something like GH increasing lifespan. Might even reduce it for all we know.

Quality of life is another matter, and it's easy enough to verify since it's subjective.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2008, 05:14:28 PM »
P.S.  More and more Rejuvenation (call it what you want) centers are opening up all the time. Why is this, because it is the way of the future, and the "medications" work.

Yes, and I think this movement will lead to easier access to steroids and growth for athletes. At the moment there's a lot of heat on these drugs but it's bound to change soon. This society is so focused on looks and performance that it's inevitable that they will continue to get more popular.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2008, 05:26:15 PM »
True enough ,(so far) but their is also no evidence that it doesn't prolong life expectancy. I do believe that if Growth Hormone is taken at the time after it peaks naturally before it declines in the human body and is maintained at this level (not cranium altering doses) the life process can be prolonged.

A positive book on this is "Grow Young with HGH" by Dr. Ronald Klatz.


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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2008, 11:52:55 PM »
Dr. Edmund Chein of the Palm Springs Life Extension Institute is a huge pioneer in the HGH field.  A lot of the Hollywood celebrities go to his clinic.  Dr. Robert Goldman has made longevity into a huge industry with his A4M

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2008, 12:03:47 AM »
Hasn't calorie restriction been shown to extend lifespan in primates?

All the humans I've seen (on TV) who practice this look like shit i.e 5'11" and 135lbs

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2008, 12:16:08 AM »
I'm not interested in living longer, I'm interested in living better.  As I get older, I want to take the steps necessary to secure a healthy life so I can be active with the young ones and as they get older, their young ones.  Who wants to be tied to a chair due to severe joint pain and lack of muscle when all the fun is to be had chasing the kids?  Plus, I'm sure at 70 I'd still like to fuck my wife, or at least some young hottie ;)

It's true, anti-aging is the future.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2008, 09:35:52 AM »
I'm not interested in living longer, I'm interested in living better.  As I get older, I want to take the steps necessary to secure a healthy life so I can be active with the young ones and as they get older, their young ones.  Who wants to be tied to a chair due to severe joint pain and lack of muscle when all the fun is to be had chasing the kids?  Plus, I'm sure at 70 I'd still like to fuck my wife, or at least some young hottie ;)

It's true, anti-aging is the future.
Why cant some of these idiot politicians figure this out?  We're always behind on science just look at how we handle stem cell research

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2008, 09:49:39 AM »
Good point. There is no evidence for something like GH increasing lifespan. Might even reduce it for all we know.

Quality of life is another matter, and it's easy enough to verify since it's subjective.


 
Pathways of Aging
Carnosine Extends Animal Life Span
Carnosine may appropriately be called an agent of longevity; in animal studies it extended the life span of senescence-accelerated mice by 20% on average compared to mice that were not fed the supplement, and doubled the number of mice who lived to old age. The researchers concluded that, in addition to extending the lives of the mice, carnosine significantly improved their appearance, physiological health, behavior, and brain bioch emistry.36-38

Unfortunately, our natural levels of this important dipeptide decline with age; muscle levels, for example, are reduced 63% between the ages of 10 and 70, which researchers speculate may explain why our muscles tend to decline in both mass and function as we age.39 And although we can replenish some of the carnosine we need by eating meat (a main dietary source of the dipeptide), with so many of us cutting back on this source of protein today, taking a carnosine supplement is often necessary.

Guarding Against Hormone and Immune Decline
Our neuroendocrine and immune systems declines as we grow older, and laboratory studies suggest that this may cause these systems to send inflammatory chemical signals that contribute to cell death or senescence—and may even have an effect on life span.40

 
Moreover, as we age and our neuroendocrine systems stop working at peak performance, there also is a decline in levels of the essential polypeptide hormone insulin-like growth factor 1, or IGF-1 (also called somatomedin C).41,42 IGF-1 circulates in the blood to each cell in the body, coordinating cellular function and regulating cell growth and division.

What exactly is IGF-1? When human growth factor, or HGH (often called the “Fountain of Youth” hormone) enters the blood stream from the pituitary gland, it is taken up by the liver and converted to IGF-1, which binds with cells throughout the body, including the brain, exerting a growth effect. IGF-1 is in fact responsible for many of the age-defying effects attributed to HGH—and a decline in IGF-1 is thought to result in a reduction of cell activity.43

Research shows that IGF-1 increases insulin sensitivity and lean body mass,44 reduces fat, and builds bone, muscle, and nerves,45,46 which is why it can reverse many of the physical signs of aging. These include loss of muscle strength, mass, and endurance, sagging skin and wrinkles, uncontrolled weight gain, joint pain and inflammation, decreased energy, loss of flexibility, and digestive problems. Researchers say that one of IGF-1’s greatest benefits, however, is its ability to repair peripheral nerve tissue that has been damaged by injury or illness.

Shortages or imbalances of IGF-1 are now thought to be a key factor in the aging process and in the development of aging-related health woes such as Alzheimer’s disease,47 type II diabetes (and its complications such as diabetic retinopathy), Syndrome X (aka metabolic syndrome), artherosclerosis and heart disease,45,48-50 and Lou Gehrig’s disease,51 as well as difficulties recovering from surgery and trauma. Recent research has revealed that higher levels of IGF are not a factor in the development of prostate cancer, as previously speculated.43

 
A three-dimensional MRI showing a normal brain, highlighting the pituitary gland and the pituitary stalk (yellow).
Within the last four years, researchers have associated low IGF-1 levels with beta amyloid, the putative cause of Alzheimer’s disease,47 amyotrophic lateral sclerosis/Lou Gehrig’s disease,51 ischemic heart disease49 and carotid atherosclerosis in elderly men.49

In a newly published study, 54 hypertensive patients were followed to determine their risk of developing carotid atherosclerosis. Multiple logistic regression analysis revealed that insulin-like growth factor binding protein 3 (IGFBP3) level was associated with a ninefold higher risk of carotid plaque formation compared to LDL cholesterol or IGF-1 levels. It can be inferred that low levels of free IGF-1 are a risk factor for this disease.52

In a study of asymptomatic subjects infected with HIV-1, the hypothesis that oral administration of three grams per day of acetyl-L-carnitine could significantly affect IGF-1 levels was tested. The researchers found that while acetyl-L-carnitine did not raise total IGF-1, it significantly increased levels of free IGF-1 (the bioactive component of total IGF-1) in the treated patients. The researchers stated that none of the subjects investigated reported any toxicity directly or indirectly related to acetyl-L-carnitine administration. Remarkably, all the treated patients reported, subjectively and without exception, an improved sense of well being by the second and third week of acetyl-L-carnitine therapy.53

Finally, a recent study suggested that higher growth hormone/IGF-1 levels in adulthood play a determinant role not only for regressive manifestations (chronic diseases) but also for life potential (longer life span).46
 

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2008, 09:53:33 AM »
Hasn't calorie restriction been shown to extend lifespan in primates?

All the humans I've seen (on TV) who practice this look like shit i.e 5'11" and 135lbs


Absolutley, there have been alot of studies on this. I'm also a huge fan of the Paleo diet because it makes total sense when it comes to longevity.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2008, 10:15:27 AM »
Good point. There is no evidence for something like GH increasing lifespan. Might even reduce it for all we know.

Quality of life is another matter, and it's easy enough to verify since it's subjective.

I did the original website for the Palm Springs Life Extension Institute and I saw numerous patients who looked awesome Bob Jones is over 70 years old and when you see him he looks like he is in his late 40's.  I saw pics of him before and his hair was really thin and he had a belly and was just sickly looking.  one year after starting the program he looks awesome.  From what I have seen personally this program works.  It si very expensive through this place but if you have the money it is worth it.

http://www.totalhormonegenetherapy.com/life_extension_institute.html

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2008, 01:30:48 PM »

 
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I will say that this is an immensely complex topic. None of this proves that pumping in exogenous hormones has the same effects as having naturally normal/high levels of the same hormones. There are just tons of pathways and causes to consider.

Joe, is growth hormone now part of your HRT cocktail? I'm sure your levels aren't the same as they once were.

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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2008, 02:40:04 PM »
I will say that this is an immensely complex topic. None of this proves that pumping in exogenous hormones has the same effects as having naturally normal/high levels of the same hormones. There are just tons of pathways and causes to consider.

Joe, is growth hormone now part of your HRT cocktail? I'm sure your levels aren't the same as they once were.

Nope, never been on GH.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2008, 03:57:33 PM »
"""What exactly is IGF-1? When human growth factor, or HGH (often called the “Fountain of Youth” hormone) enters the blood stream from the pituitary gland, it is taken up by the liver and converted to IGF-1, which binds with cells throughout the body, including the brain, exerting a growth effect. IGF-1 is in fact responsible for many of the age-defying effects attributed to HGH—and a decline in IGF-1 is thought to result in a reduction of cell activity.43"""

WRONG YOU WANT SLOW CELLDIVISION AND ACTIVITY you want to barely age not enhance it to increase cell activity and burn out your system

just be natural and you have no worries, and stay lean
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2008, 04:03:30 PM »
"""What exactly is IGF-1? When human growth factor, or HGH (often called the “Fountain of Youth” hormone) enters the blood stream from the pituitary gland, it is taken up by the liver and converted to IGF-1, which binds with cells throughout the body, including the brain, exerting a growth effect. IGF-1 is in fact responsible for many of the age-defying effects attributed to HGH—and a decline in IGF-1 is thought to result in a reduction of cell activity.43"""

WRONG YOU WANT SLOW CELLDIVISION AND ACTIVITY you want to barely age not enhance it to increase cell activity and burn out your system

just be natural and you have no worries, and stay lean

Thats fine if you realize that when you're younger, but most of these studies are for the older person.

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Re: Longevity Pioneers
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2008, 06:09:57 PM »

These things do nothing to increase lifespan.  However, they arguably might increase quality of life in the aged.  (they might also contribute to cancer growth in the aged).

interesting.  Cancer growth in old people is a real issue for hgh users.  Do doctors do cancer screening when they provide growth to elders?
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