I guess I'm voting for a Dem. Stupid ass mistake by Ron Paul

[Hugo Chavez]

 

What the fuck is his problem, not running as an independent!!!  What loyalty does he have to republicans, they all hate the fuck out of him.  He's to Republicans what Libermann was to Dems.  I doubt people vote for him in his district because he's republican.  They vote for him because of what he stands for.  If his worry is that he would spoil the republican vote like Nader did to the dems, that's just stupid.  It's well known that the bulk of support for Ron Paul can't be found in one party.  He holds a lot of support from independents, Lefties and if anything even less righties who frown at his talk of immediate withdrawl from Iraq.

So Ron Paul, you're being a foolish idiot.  With disapproval in the two major parties being at an all time high, this was your best shot.  WTF REALLY

PURE STUPIDITY

[Mr. Cortisol]

it's only february.

bloomberg is preparing for a run in all 50 states.

is there any more valuable asset than Ron Paul right now for a moderate/independent running mate?  I think not...

[Purge_WTF]

  What difference does his "label" make? The bottom line is that you should vote for him because his ideas and beliefs are good ones.

[Hugo Chavez]

  What difference does his "label" make? The bottom line is that you should vote for him because his ideas and beliefs are good ones.

How do I vote for him if he's not in the presidential election   nobody can.

[Bindare_Dundat]

He's still in the race, he can try and pick up as many delegates as possible.

[War-Horse]

  What difference does his "label" make? The bottom line is that you should vote for him because his ideas and beliefs are good ones.

This is interesting.   If he stays loyal to his repug party and he brings his groups over to vote for him, then the repugs will start saying the country supports them.

And then they will steal all his votes and make him an also ran.

He is an idiot if he thinks they wont screw him in the arse..

[stormshadow]

This is interesting.   If he stays loyal to his repug party and he brings his groups over to vote for him, then the repugs will start saying the country supports them.

And then they will steal all his votes and make him an also ran.

He is an idiot if he thinks they wont screw him in the arse..

Ron has already addressed the third party issue.

He said you end up spending more money just to get onto the ballot.  Its a two party system right now and his efforts are better spent as a republican rather than trying to overhaul the entire system.

[Hugo Chavez]

Ron has already addressed the third party issue.

He said you end up spending more money just to get onto the ballot.  Its a two party system right now and his efforts are better spent as a republican rather than trying to overhaul the entire system.

who cares, if Ron Paul tomorrow said we need the cash to run Independent you would see the single biggest fundrasing day in history and then some.

[stormshadow]

who cares, if Ron Paul tomorrow said we need the cash to run Independent you would see the single biggest fundrasing day in history and then some.

I disagree.   

I think what Ron is doing is smart.  A third party cannot work within the current system.  Even if they manage to get in, they do not last long.

By staying a republican, Ron is keeping the focus on the content of his message rather than the packaging of it.

There are only so many "third party thinkers" that support Ron and his message.  The future of this revolution has to convert people from the current Republican/Conservative base. 

If he runs as independent then it will split the conservative base, and you will hear "A vote for Ron is a vote for the democratic candidate."

That is not the best rode to go down.  I want him in office as well, but it isn't going to happen this time.  However, if we continue to unite behind Ron, there will be another front runner to emerge and present the message of liberty to the public.

[Hugo Chavez]

If he runs as independent then it will split the conservative base, and you will hear "A vote for Ron is a vote for the democratic candidate."

I've said a million times and i'll say again, no it is not.  Ron Paul would not split the republican vote.  He would actually split more from the dems than republicans.  I am 100% sure on that.

[Dos Equis]

He has no shot as an independent.  It's too late.  I doubt he would get on the ballot in all 50 states.  I doubt he could raise enough money to run an effective 50 state campaign.  Not enough time to organize and pay for a convention to compete with Democrats and Republicans.  It would really be a waste of time and money. 

[loco]

Ron Paul would take a chunk of the Rep. votes, while Ralph Nader would take a chunk of the Dem. votes.    

[Mr. Cortisol]

He has no shot as an independent.  It's too late.  I doubt he would get on the ballot in all 50 states.  I doubt he could raise enough money to run an effective 50 state campaign.  Not enough time to organize and pay for a convention to compete with Democrats and Republicans.  It would really be a waste of time and money. 

Perot didn't declare he was running for president until late February of 1992. 
Bloomy could afford to run and bring RP as his constitutionalist running mate.
Mr Bloomberg, you have 2 weeks to make up your mind and convince RP to join you.
Mr Beach Bum, it's certainly not "too late" as you stated. 

In June of 2000, Perot LED THE CANDIDATES with 39%
(Bush had 31% and Clinton had 25%- and clinton eventually won!)

Perot's personal issues (withdrawing for family drama) cost him everything.

Is it possible that Bloomberg and/or Paul could have the 1) time 2) money 3) polls to in it?
I believe I've just demonstrated 1) yes 2) yes 3) yes.

Bloomberg has about a billion to spend.  Ron Paul was one of the top money earners, even as an unknown with little media notice.  There's plenty of time - Perot did all that from late Feb, WITHOUT the internet.  And if the polls favored Perot over a stud like Clinton and a man of experience like Bush1, they'll certainly be kind to either Bloomy or RP, as McCain is 100 and his own base hates him, and Clinton is evil and her base hates her.

[Mr. Cortisol]

WIKI on Perot:

"According to Ronald Rapoport and Walter Stone (2005), Perot's appeal came from two sources. First was his outsider, crusading zeal that made the major parties seem reactionary. Second, he adopted specific positions that had been abandoned by both parties — he was nationalistic and isolationist; he was conservative in social policy. He opposed free trade. He was above all a crusader for a balanced budget, as he warned of the horrors of the national debt."

Perot sounds a lot like Ron Paul!

[Hugo Chavez]

You guys who think he'll take more of the republican vote away as an independent are wrong.  I say this because he has in reality garnered a lot of support from the left.  If I had a dime for every Dem who called into a show saying they like Ron Paul, I would be rich.  There's a lot of reasons for this.  A lot of the antiwar crowd feels betrayed by the Dem's.  That leaves Ron Paul as the perfect protest vote even if they disagree with him on some things and they really like his focus on the constitution, after years of watching Bush stomp on it and years of inaction by Dem's you can start to see why they would find Paul attractive.  Anyone who's spent some time in left circles knows that Ron Paul has actually picked up a suprising amount of support for a republican.  Contrast that with any right leaning forum.  Call in and ask about Ron Paul and you're sure to hear him bashed.  Call in to someone like Thom Hartmann and you get respect for the guy.  hmmm...  For these reasons I don't see him stealing significantly from the Republican vote if he were to run as an independent.  The bulk would come from independents and some combo of dem/rep voters.

[Hugo Chavez]

He has no shot as an independent.  It's too late.  I doubt he would get on the ballot in all 50 states.  I doubt he could raise enough money to run an effective 50 state campaign.  Not enough time to organize and pay for a convention to compete with Democrats and Republicans.  It would really be a waste of time and money. 

will you stop that.  I checked into it, there are only a couple states with early deadlines.  If he were to do it now, it's not to late and paul has the ability to call for funds to do it and have people respond.  He's shown that ability several times.  If he announced an independent run now, I think he would finish higher than Ross did and if they're looking to send a message that would be one hell of a way to do it.  Not that it would make any difference.  I actually don't understand what you have against him?  As far as what he stands for, what is it you don't like?  The anti-bullshit-war part?

[Dos Equis]

Perot didn't declare he was running for president until late February of 1992. 
Bloomy could afford to run and bring RP as his constitutionalist running mate.
Mr Bloomberg, you have 2 weeks to make up your mind and convince RP to join you.
Mr Beach Bum, it's certainly not "too late" as you stated. 

In June of 2000, Perot LED THE CANDIDATES with 39%
(Bush had 31% and Clinton had 25%- and clinton eventually won!)

Perot's personal issues (withdrawing for family drama) cost him everything.

Is it possible that Bloomberg and/or Paul could have the 1) time 2) money 3) polls to in it?
I believe I've just demonstrated 1) yes 2) yes 3) yes.

Bloomberg has about a billion to spend.  Ron Paul was one of the top money earners, even as an unknown with little media notice.  There's plenty of time - Perot did all that from late Feb, WITHOUT the internet.  And if the polls favored Perot over a stud like Clinton and a man of experience like Bush1, they'll certainly be kind to either Bloomy or RP, as McCain is 100 and his own base hates him, and Clinton is evil and her base hates her.

Yes, good point about Perot and his late entry, but Paul is not Perot.  Perot was a much better salesman, which unfortunately is a big part of running for elected office.  Also, Perot was a billionaire.  He spent over $60 million of his own money in just a few months.  Paul doesn't have anywhere near that kind of money. 

You can certainly speculate about Bloomberg bankrolling Paul, but I haven't heard Bloomberg say he will hand over the $50 to $100 million to Paul that would be needed to even be competitive.  That's pure fantasy. 

[Dos Equis]

will you stop that.  I checked into it, there are only a couple states with early deadlines.  If he were to do it now, it's not to late and paul has the ability to call for funds to do it and have people respond.  He's shown that ability several times.  If he announced an independent run now, I think he would finish higher than Ross did and if they're looking to send a message that would be one hell of a way to do it.  Not that it would make any difference.  I actually don't understand what you have against him?  As far as what he stands for, what is it you don't like?  The anti-bullshit-war part?

I have nothing against Ron Paul.  I like his stance on a number of issues.  Didn't you see my thread about him?  I also think he is an honorable man and has a great background. 

What I'm not going to do is start buying into some unrealistic belief that the man has a shot to be president.  He doesn't have the millions necessary to get on the ballot in all 50 states.  It doesn't matter when the deadlines are.  He doesn't have the coin, he doesn't have the charisma, and he doesn't have the support at the polls, as the election results clearly show.  That doesn't mean I dislike him.  Those are simply the facts.  Don't shoot the messenger.    

[Livewire]

Shit, Ron Paul made more money then most of the other guys.

Could he raise 50 or 100 million in time?

If Obama wins - no.  The independents choose him.
If Clinton wins - definitely.  The independents have to choose between two lifetime establishmeent folks.

[Hugo Chavez]

Shit, Ron Paul made more money then most of the other guys.

Could he raise 50 or 100 million in time?

If Obama wins - no.  The independents choose him.
If Clinton wins - definitely.  The independents have to choose between two lifetime establishmeent folks.

There are still a lot of people against this perpetual war thing we've got going.  Ron Paul is the only option for people who place that as most important.  Even Obama has been talking like a neocon lately.  Chasing down the enemy in any country, going into pakistan etc.  All they need to control him is a little false flag and boom, he'll accomodate.

[Livewire]

There are still a lot of people against this perpetual war thing we've got going.  Ron Paul is the only option for people who place that as most important.  Even Obama has been talking like a neocon lately.  Chasing down the enemy in any country, going into pakistan etc.  All they need to control him is a little false flag and boom, he'll accomodate.

There are establishment voters, and there are 'hope' voters.

Hope repubs chose paul.
Hope dems chose Obama.

Obama needs to be tough to win the hawk dems.  His liberal base will always be there for him. 

RP would get more votes if hilary ran, thats all i'm saying.

[Hugo Chavez]

RP would get more votes if hilary ran, thats all i'm saying.

I do think you're right about that.  And I'm just been saying Ron Paul would get way more dems to vote for him than people think.

[Livewire]

I do think you're right about that.  And I'm just been saying Ron Paul would get way more dems to vote for him than people think.

He'd get a lot of them.

I think he'd pull from both candidates near-equally.

He'll steal all the anti-war republicans (there are a lot of them).
he'll steal all the fundies who hate mccain - RP is pretty damn dogmatic.

He'll steal the anti-war liberal vote from the dem candidate.
He'll get ALL the CT vote - Alex Jones has been endorsing him for a year now.  If you believe JFk was hit with 3 bullets, if you believe that 911 was an inside job, if you believe any of that - chances are you're voting Ron paul.  And there are a lot of people who believe that.  They might not normally vote either - but with RP running, they'd be lined up to vote, I'm sure of that!

[Deicide]

I don't know.

Hugo Chaves for President!

[Bindare_Dundat]

I don't know what he should do, I'm so confused?

lol